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10 Jul 2012, 7:34 am

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If you truly have no special interests, then look at your ordinary interests. What do you enjoy doing? What do you find interesting?

Or even thinking about what you're physically capable of doing.

If you're out of shape, going into construction and manual labor isn't the best idea.
If you can't stand people, customer service isn't the best idea ever.

So many people just think "I'll just get fired.. no one will ever hire me.. I can't do any job." Newsflash, yes, you can... IF you try. "Ever" is a long time, and... I find it hard to believe people saying that when they're teens or twenties. That age means they're not old enough to have tried for decades to get a job. It's giving up before you've even started. And, no, a few years of temp jobs, getting fired, and job applications is not lifelong trying. When you fail or get fired, honestly evaluate what went wrong. Then, make changes in your life and try again at something you're more likely to succeed it. Education, looking at interests and abilities, special accommodations, etc. plus willpower and honestly looking at what you can't and can do can help a person find a job they can do.

It's not even trying to support our own lives that gives us a bad name.

Your not even getting it at all..it has nothing to do with what I am physically capable of. I am physically capable of many things. Its the fact that I will freak the hell out if my PTSD get's triggered which could be dangerous for me and people around that is the main thing I am worried about and it has already happened more than once basically any time I end up under too much stress. Other then that though according to many employers I am too slow, too disorganized, and I act weird and/or have no personality or enthusiasm which I guess=too boring to work to some employers.

Of course I have not tried for decades to get a job....but that does not mean I have not tried to work, or that I can just turn of my mental issues and function on a job. Thing is I kind of need something to live on so if I cant function at a job well there happens to be a social safety network for that purpose otherwise I'd need to be able to be on a prescription that keeps me calm enough not to freak out...though that would probably also make me even more slow and disorganized.

And why people equate failure with not even trying I don't know.

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10 Jul 2012, 7:51 am

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How and where do you get all this training and treatment with no money and no insurance?

Exactly. I used to know someone who needed treatment. She can't get it funded; so has to use her disability benefits for this. If you can get treatment, there's the waiting list. I had to wait 5 months just to see a CPN.

Treatment doesn't always work either. Consultants tried for years to see if they could treat me and eventually gave up when I was 11; because there was nothing they could do. There still is nothing that can be done 12 years later.

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10 Jul 2012, 11:19 am

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Let's not forget the people who sap off the system and aren't even disabled. There is this guy that weighs about 390 and claims he needs his disability money due to his weight. This same individual then spends this money on jet-skis, boats, and motorcycles.

That story is bunk. In order to receive for SSDI or SSI you cannot have more than $2000 in assets. You can't own a home. You can't own multiple vehicles.. Either someone is lying, or you don't understand his situation correctly (are you sure the jet skis, cars and home are owned by him? are you sure that he is on SSDI or SSI? Are you just repreating a story you heard on the radio?)

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He then laments that he never has any money, yet he evidently has enough to have a large house. Worst of all, he brags about bilking the people out of their disability money (I knew a man with terminal cancer who couldn't get disability despite the disease leaving him unable to walk or drive due to constant seizures). While I agree with you for the most part, I do feel that some of us aspies/auties (high-functioning) shouldn't get disability because we are capable of holding down a job. I wouldn't consider myself disabled despite having AS, RA and SPD, since it doesn't have a profound impact on performing my duties.

My thoughts exactly - this is probably a total LIE made up by somebody like Rush Limbaugh and heard over the radio or Faux News.

Those people are waging WAR on people like us - they want us dead. They want to ELIMINATE SSI, SSDI, Medicaid, Medicare, even Social Security for retired/elderly people. They want to dump us on our families and if family can't/won't support us we should become homeless and die in the street (because according to them we are worthless garbage). The way to accomplish their goal is to first convince most people that disabled people are mostly frauds, especially those with invisible, poorly understood disabilities like autism, depression, anxiety, etc. Sure, there are some people with such ailments who are able to support themselves, at least for a while. But that doesn't mean that those who can't are frauds. Far from it.

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10 Jul 2012, 11:45 am

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And why people equate failure with not even trying I don't know.

I know why. It's called "blaming the victim".

People do it to pat themselves on the back (I'm successful because I tried, not because of good luck, good health, good genes, good family, good looks, the right personality, enough intelligence, energy, etc., etc., etc.)

They also do it so they don't have to sympathize with those of us who are disabled and struggling, due to no fault of our own, let alone feel any responsibility towards us as fellow human beings. They do it in order to justify a Social Darwinist political and economic system that throws people into the street to die of exposure, starvation, disease and even violence.

I will forever be haunted by the time I witnessed 2 young savages repeatedly kicking a perfectly harmless old homeless man in the face... this, in broad daylight on a busy city street... the man was slightly hidden from view of everyone because he was sitting in a recessed door opening kind of place. I'm sure this kind of thing happens all the time to the homeless and hastens their tragic deaths in the richest society in the history of mankind.

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10 Jul 2012, 1:55 pm

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Interesting how you like to call me a liar. He had those things, but cannot ever pay the bills. He also steals money from his relatives to support his spending habit. Saying I'm a liar and insinuating that I listen to Rush Limbaugh/FOX is not only insulting, it is a lie as well.

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10 Jul 2012, 2:01 pm

Apple_in_my_Eye wrote:

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Interesting how you like to call me a liar ("This story is bunk"). He had those things, but cannot ever pay the bills. He also steals money from his relatives to support his spending habit. Saying I'm a liar and that I listen to the propaganda on the radio (I don't even listen to the radio or watch television) is not only insulting, it is a lie as well. I personally know this individual, since he lives in the same neighborhood I live in, so please refrain from jumping to conclusions. Like I said at the beginning of this comment, he had jet skis, etc. but would always not make payments. His income consists of disability and stolen money from those around him. I also neglected to mention the fact that he does deal some drugs on the side, but primarily he lives off the first two means.

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10 Jul 2012, 3:23 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:

ooo wrote:

Self-supportive.

Sometimes you've gotta suck it up, find a job you can do/tolerate, and deal with it... "miserable" or not. Actually, working can make you feel productive and take your mind off of worse mental quams. Better yet, having a plant/pet/kid to take care of gives you an excuse to get out of bed. Assuming you don't want a plant/pet/kid, a job and volunteer role gives you a reason.

Chin up. You'll find a way to support yourself again, be productive, and enjoy life.

You do realize employers can fire employees who can't keep up or don't fit what the company wants in an employee, or they can choose not to even hire you. One can be as willing as they want to work but someone also has to be willing to hire them or let them keep working.........unless of course they can create their own job because they are that creative, but of course not everyone is capable of starting their own business.

I wouldn't mind working.......but who is going to hire someone who might cause problems for the business if they freak out and damage people or objects. Sure I could always not mention it, but then if I get put in a situation that sets me off there would be no covering it up and then I would feel like an ass for allowing that to happen by lying about my mental state.

I imagine your comment is more for the OP, but that is just my perspective on that particular topic. If one has supported themself before it is likely they can again.......the trouble is when you never really have been in a totally self sufficient position.

I've moved out on my own before, worked and supported myself in a different province. I know I can do it, the problem is work itself. I tried it. I can't work long enough without my anxiety taking over and having a nervous breakdown. The last time I quit a job in Calgary I didn't phone anyone for days and my parents were trying to get a hold of me so they eventually called the police. The police came and tried to get me to go to the hospital because they thought I was suicidal. In my life time I've worked at 4 "real" jobs and most of the time I quit out of anxiety and frustration. I've never gotten fired but I've gotten talked about and given evil looks for being slow at certain jobs. I also got used a lot to do the things that nobody else wanted to do because I was so quiet and they used me as a door mat. The shortest job I had lasted one shift, the longest job I had (and the most enjoyable) lasted for 9 months. Also, I always seem to be intimidated by all of my bosses no matter how nice they are.

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10 Jul 2012, 5:47 pm

Supported by SSI and partner.

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10 Jul 2012, 9:31 pm

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I suppose I could work if these things were met (typical box stacking work; can't organize self-employment):

Someone drove me to work and picked me up
no one told me what to do other than a list of things that had to be done
said things that need to be done have to be a part of a plan that doesn't change (I do this only at that time)
nothing spontaneous put on me
people don't talk to me
people aren't around me
I can have breaks whenever I wanted (I'd get the work done)
all of the paperwork and whatnot (bank stuff) is done for me

Government thought I was too much of a bother (they'll get anyone a job if you have a single iota of ability).

In the USA it's similar; the criterion for "not able to work" is not that you can't do any job, but that there are no employers who are willing to put up with what you need to be able to do that job.

I.e. if you can only work 10 hours a week, and no employer in the area is willing to hire someone for that few hours per week, then that counts as "not able to work."

In my case, I told them that I might be able to work a few half days a week, but only on a random schedule that I wouldn't be able to predict in advance.

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10 Jul 2012, 9:41 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:

And why people equate failure with not even trying I don't know.

Yeah, I don't get that. I've had people accuse me of not trying hard enough, and I mean 20 years of trying and failing to have a work history and years and years of applying for work and never getting hired after an interview. Plus, after being able to find out what the interviewer thought, it turned out I didn't get hired because "something seemed off." And when I do get jobs, I burn out and have multiple shutdowns and end up getting fired within a few months. At what point do I get to be considered to have tried and failed, instead of giving up?

I think if I'm considered to not be trying hard enough, there is no such thing as trying hard enough, and the people who say such things are not really interested in whether you did try, but in trying to convince you not to seek benefits for your legitimate troubles.

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10 Jul 2012, 10:09 pm

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The reason that he says "This story is bunk" is because people are not eligible to continue to receive SSI if they have jetskis, boats, or motorcycles. This would just cause them to stop getting payments. In order to apply, you have to give them access to things like your bank account records.

However, Apple_in_my_Eye was wrong about one thing, at least according to the SSA's website (I read about this before putting my application in recently, because buying a house (with help from my parents) would reduce my expenses (and thus how much my parents are having to cover for me). It's not something I'm looking at in the immediate future, but it is possibly near-future. ). You are allowed a (single) home. It is allowed to be an owned house instead of renting.

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10 Jul 2012, 10:39 pm

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There are days where I should not be on the internet, and yesterday was one of those days. So, if I said anything that was out of line then I apologize.

However, I said the story is a lie, not that you are a liar. Maybe that guy uses "I'm on disability" as his cover line for the fact that he makes most or 100% of his income from selling drugs.

What I'm saying is that the story itself conflicts with reality. That guy, the way you told the story, can't be on SSDI or SSI. He would've been cut off by SSA. SSA taps your bank accounts and sees all your transactions.

And, Tuttle is correct about owning one house and one vehicle and the rest.

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10 Jul 2012, 11:46 pm

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Your partner can buy property and other stuff but you can't and it can't be under your name. You can own property and if you all of a sudden got disabled and needed to be on it, you can still get on it, you just can't buy property while you are on it but if you already bought it before you got on it, they can't take it from you. This is what I have been told by someone who has talked to a lawyer about rules of SSDI and buying property.

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10 Jul 2012, 11:55 pm

I have worked my whole life. I work as a Kulak.

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11 Jul 2012, 12:04 am

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So it wouldn't be possible for joint owned me/my boyfriend/my parents (they'd co-sign a morgage for us and such, but wouldn't be comfortable with that if it was only in his name) if I somehow get on SSI?

I don't expect to get on it, but that'd be upsetting

. We can't get any before my boyfriend has a job, so we couldn't look into it before I applied, but apartment living isn't good for me at all.

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11 Jul 2012, 12:44 am

Sweetleaf wrote:

ooo wrote:

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If you truly have no special interests, then look at your ordinary interests. What do you enjoy doing? What do you find interesting?

Failure IS not even trying.

Have not tried to work? How many jobs within your grasp have you applied to, and how many have you worked?
Like I said elsewhere, find a clinic near you, get income-based treatment, then seek jobs. If that means meds, fine. What you're doing now isn't working, either, so why not try getting help so you can do something with your life?

People work so they're not starving and homeless.

Like I've said, there are still jobs out there that you could do. Find a good match for you.
If you freak out on people, do something that's quiet and doesn't involve customer interaction. Clean houses, stock shelves in the backroom, etc. You're listing a million reasons why you CAN'T work, but not seeing what jobs you could actually do and move on with your life.

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