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30 Nov 2006, 10:26 am

I agree about "quitting drugs" in that - Who is to say THC isnt something the body needs? We dont argue things like 'iron' or 'vitamin B' and studies have shown that THC does a lot of beneficial things.. Maybe smoking it isnt the best way, though

Can it take over your life? You bet! Thats why we do a few things:
Exercise discipline - important to prevent addiction - drugs do not make you addicted, you allow yourself to (everytime you think 'one more hit'), the drug is just the end result

I smoke about a bowl a night.. if I'm running low, I smoke 1-2 hits a night.. Its difficult to control but thats the hard part, no one said discipline was easy.. :idea:



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30 Nov 2006, 10:48 am

yeah discipline is def the key....with substances like pot anyways......i followed a regime..of 2 weeks on it heavy as i could...then 1 week off.....rinse/repeat... did this for about 2 years straight.....now addiction to it isn't a prob at all!

admittedly...repeatedly withdrawing was a bit of a prick for a while...mainly cos i mixed it with tobacco i think...but yeah eventually tis fine..

maybe not for eveyone this approach btw...but tworked for me...



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30 Nov 2006, 10:50 am

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>>>There have been reports about pot smokers with purple blood! This is no joke.

purple blood eh....if its not a joke...why am i laffin


He is telling the truth. THere have been such reports. THe heart turns purple too.

Why are you laughing? Because you are another addict who glorifies his substance.
Believe me, I've been there myself when I was addicted.



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30 Nov 2006, 11:00 am

>>He is telling the truth. THere have been such reports. THe heart turns purple too.

actually a lady recently told me i had a purple aura...does that count? :P

ya know..i think on the donnie darko scale of fear/love....u'd hafta mark some of these things ur saying at the fear end ;)

screw blood/heart tho....i want purple iris's!! how cool would that be..



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30 Nov 2006, 11:14 am

Deutha wrote:
yeah discipline is def the key....with substances like pot anyways......i followed a regime..of 2 weeks on it heavy as i could...then 1 week off.....rinse/repeat... did this for about 2 years straight.....now addiction to it isn't a prob at all!

admittedly...repeatedly withdrawing was a bit of a prick for a while...mainly cos i mixed it with tobacco i think...but yeah eventually tis fine..

maybe not for eveyone this approach btw...but tworked for me...

Sounds worth a try definitely!


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30 Nov 2006, 11:31 am

These days I just go with alcohol, caffeine, and the occasional painkiller.

I had smoked weed a few years back for a while. It was good at first, but eventually it just started to really aggravate my social paranoias and stuff, so I quit pretty much cold turkey. I had taken mushrooms a few times back then as well, and they were very useful in learning about myself, the people I know, and the world. I don't do them anymore, but I don't regret it. They were very enlightening. I did extacy a few times, and while fun, and useful in getting to know my SO back then, I wouldn't do them again.

If you're going to use anything, do it responsibly. Do a lot of research so you know exactly what you're doing, and of course, moderate. You can really break yourself if you aren't careful. And with a lot of things, it's often a good idea to have someone you trust around.



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30 Nov 2006, 11:31 am

Corvus wrote:
Who is to say THC isnt something the body needs? We dont argue things like 'iron' or 'vitamin B' and studies have shown that THC does a lot of beneficial things..


on reflection...that is just an awesome point...very eloquently put

excellent post too breakbot...sensible..



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30 Nov 2006, 11:36 am

Ya, dont use fear - addiction is a word that needs to be assessed.. If i smoked pot everyday, people would state I'm addicted based on some others experiences who smoke it everyday.. its like a constant battle with people to prove one isnt addicted.. I have to quit something I enjoy to prove to others I can quit.. It doesnt work like that, especially when I feel benefitted from this - I do not hallucinate, I do not freak out, become paranoid, or angry, I do not giggle and stare at my hand..

Yesterday, I smoked and wrote a bit of an essay, then I practiced guitar, then I watched t.v. If I didnt smoke, chances are I wouldnt have written anything but my routine would have stayed the same after.. my clarity, while high, is great! Why not run with it? If it was killing me, like crack would, I wouldnt do it - so I do have a brain that knows when to say 'no' to something.. (not saying anyone here said i didnt, I'm more just typing my general thoughts down)

This sunday, I'm going out to dinner - normally I just stay in and play video games (Xbox live) but this week, no.. Which means i wont be smoking on sunday afternoon - will this bother me? No, I enjoy the peoples company I'm visiting.. if i was addicted, i would have cancelled or not gone..



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30 Nov 2006, 11:43 am

As for mushrooms, I've done them - again, anything against them is hard to conclude.. I ate 3 grams once and was plastered on the couch, I was analyzing EVERYTHING, every noise, light, etc..

A friend said something to me right before I took them which hurt.. That night, I became self aware of myself which sent me on a spiral that finally ended on practicing meditation and learning more about myself everyday! It was a turning point in my life and I owe it to an illegal substance! Since that night, I've thought better of myself and of others.. Its been a slow road but one of many positive changes!

Many people like to eat mushrooms after reading philosophy, for a few days.. it allows them to think on the subject extremely concentrated - do they sound like criminals? Problematic people? I dont think so..



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01 Dec 2006, 2:56 am

I find it funney when the same people that preach against weed can't start their day without several cups of coffee or end it without a few beers or shots.

I am a weed smoker. I smoke weed every day. Am I addicted to pot? Yea, but no more so then the blood pressure meds I also take every day. It doesn't make me goofy, lazy, or slow. I drive a car, do shoping, cook dinner, teach the kids to read, write computer programs, read books, watch tv, surf the net, do the laundry, talk to friends, ect, ect. But I need weed, it makes the world tolorable.

Without weed I am not a healthy person. I have major medical problems, and the pain issues aside, the stress this creates in my day to day life is just to much when coupled with the deep depression I've suffered my whole life. But the pot numbs me just enough, it lets me forget the day to day crap and focus on the acual good/bad things of living my life.

I would not term this day to day need of weed to be an Addiction (note the captialized A). I have an addictive presonality, what I'm finding is a common trait in those with AS and get addictied to just about everything new that enters my life, be it a new person, video game, or tv show. But I think the main difference between doing somthing alot and being Addicted to it is the effect it has on your life and the amount of control the thing has over your life.

Being a natuerally quite and inverted person that desires to be one of those naturally outspoken people, it was no surprise that I became addicted to speed(curse you minithins ;p) then cocaine. My brain is always working, I never stop thinking even when I want to, but 9 times out of 10 I just don't feel the need to express my thoughts the way others seem to, but when I'm tweeking on speed my brain accually desires to interact with others, to share my thoughts and interact with them. But the allure is just to much and that interactive state is just to different from my true self and I can't handle it. I ran myself into debt and did some few things I'm not proud of before I was able to beat that Adiction.

I have never tryed crack or heroine as I know I would to easyly become addicted to the way they numb you to the world. It is a forgone conclusion to me so I simple will not ever toch them. But acid and shrums on the other hand.. Ooo, let me at them. Let me drop a 10strip and hand over the orange juice cause I'm ready to explore the pnumbra and talk to the gods. I am never more comfortable them when I'm tripping and dealing with people that arn't frying (before and after the peak ofcourse, when I'm peaking it can be hard to deal with a soda can, much less other people ;)). I always feel like I'm a half second out of sync with the world and when I'm tripping it pushing everything into sharp focus.

Drugs have their place and people shouldn't let their own bad experiences dictate wheather others should be allowed to do drugs. I am NOT one of those druggies that thinks all drugs should be legalized, that is just immature gibberish, but I do think there is some major logic inconsistancies between a culture that has bars on every corner and thousands of drunk driving deaths each year, but wants to act like weed is bad.

On the whole I have to say what others have said, I'm not saying anyone else should or shouldn't use weed or any other drug, but everything is a drug and has its pros and cons. But for me personally, without pot I would not be hear right now for I would most assuradly have taken my life a long time ago. Yea pot and thankyou pot gods.


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01 Dec 2006, 3:58 am

wow....corvus, jeckel....very thoughtful posts...

just luv readin peoples primary experiences sans teh propaganda

danke for the insights guys



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01 Dec 2006, 10:53 am

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>>>There have been reports about pot smokers with purple blood! This is no joke.

purple blood eh....if its not a joke...why am i laffin


He is telling the truth. THere have been such reports. THe heart turns purple too.

Why are you laughing? Because you are another addict who glorifies his substance.
Believe me, I've been there myself when I was addicted.


It's very difficult to believe because something so drastic as a change in blood colour implies severe blood contamination and/or breakdown of haemoglobin, neither of which is compatible with being alive. Millions of people smoke weed in this country and I have never heard of anyone dying from it.



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01 Dec 2006, 11:07 am

Deutha wrote:
wow....corvus, jeckel....very thoughtful posts...

just luv readin peoples primary experiences sans teh propaganda

danke for the insights guys


I'm always interested in peoples experiences, too, both good AND bad - call it a real world study outside of lab rats..

Crack, no debate

Heroine, no debate

Pot - well.. up for debate - I just dont understand why people can claim its bad when doctors are scratching their heads trying to figure it out still.. Personal experience? You know, I hate smoked salmon creamed cheese and my coworker sitting across from me is allergic to fish - would we be good people to ask on how good a fish product is? Each experience is different

Some of my friends:
I've a friend who sneezes on it, a lot, but enjoys it
I've a friend who lives in his basement, no job, little friends, probably on the verge of killing himself
I've a friend who rarely smokes and last time he did, he was quiet and told me 'i want everyone to shut up' (sounds like something a sober aspie would say)
I've a friend who smokes and gets super excited off of it. She gets energy from it
I've a friend who experiences no change from it, he's ADD, I dont know what that means
I've a friend who enjoys pot by playing video games and hanging out, like I do
I use it to relax and meditate as it mellows me out, but sometimes just because I want to relax and enjoy the FEELING of 'nothing'



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02 Dec 2006, 1:08 am

Zamzara wrote:
Revenant wrote:
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>>>There have been reports about pot smokers with purple blood! This is no joke.

purple blood eh....if its not a joke...why am i laffin


He is telling the truth. THere have been such reports. THe heart turns purple too.

Why are you laughing? Because you are another addict who glorifies his substance.
Believe me, I've been there myself when I was addicted.


It's very difficult to believe because something so drastic as a change in blood colour implies severe blood contamination and/or breakdown of haemoglobin, neither of which is compatible with being alive. Millions of people smoke weed in this country and I have never heard of anyone dying from it.

I find it difficult to believe as well. As soon as I heard "purple blood" I thought of oxygenated blood vs. deoxygenated blood. This is something I posted in another thread:
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I still don't understand the purple blood, nor can I find any info. As far as I can tell it was a reference to deoxygenated blood? The less oxygen the blood has, the darker it is in colour. It can be dark red, maroon, or purple coloured. The oxygenated blood carries more red blood cells, which carries hemoglobin, which transmits oxygen which gives the blood its colour. I hope I didn't get this backwards. It's what my old study sheet says here anyway, heh. So this said, everyone may have this "purple blood" that is spoken of (deoxygenated blood?) regardless of if you're a pot smoker or not.
I just couldn't locate the info about cannabis users and purple blood on the internet so this is the conclusion I draw.

What does anyone think? Is this info correct? Could it explain the "purple blood"?



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02 Dec 2006, 2:05 am

ok thanks for telling me i'll get purple blood....now im obsessed with the idea....i've had to double my intake to cut the waiting period :P

i can so see the social benefits....will u b my friend...i bleed purple!

(also when debating the existence of indigo children..think of the reaction u would get after someone said prove it)



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02 Dec 2006, 9:18 am

Purple blood? Whaaat?
When a stoner bleeds it is still bright red like anyone else. When blood was drawn for tests - no exposure to oxygen - the vial still filled up with red and not purple. Smoke 80 'bong hits' a day (an ounce a week for two years) and it'll still be red. I don't know where this purple blood idea is coming from.
I'd say that is a bit of a scare tactic - 'people will know youve been smoking because your blood changes colors!' and I call rubbish on that.