Um, I'm an aspie that lies . . .

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This is stupid.

What can you suggest to people, who can't get diagnosis because there is simply no diagnosticians around?
If diagnosis fit well enough one can assume that it is right. This is much better then doing nothing, I think.

No need to be so hostile. Wrong Planet is an open community. You don't have to have an official diagnosis to be welcome here.

No, but I was thinking of using such a method to electrocute the non-existant cat under my bed. If that proves effective, I'll use it on you and Towercrane afterwards.

Kids, try to understand something; I am literate. I can look at a list of signs and symptoms, review and analyze myself, my thought processes, my past and present behaviours, my place in this world, and come to conclusions as to what I am. It's really not that difficult. In regards to a professional diagnosis, I am actually seeking one out, but am not holding my breath in regards to getting something accurate. Many shrinks are under-educated, especially when it comes to autism. A good number are also without conscience, could give a rat's ass what you really are and will diagnosis with ya with anything based on maybe a few signs or symptoms. I underwent a psyche eval 12 years ago and brought up the idea to the Psychiatrist that I might have a form of Autism. He informed me later on during the process that I couldn't have Asperger's Syndrome because I picked up on one social cue during the testing. Amazing! The best part? He noted in the written evaluation that I "may have suffered from Asperger's Syndrome in my childhood". Well golly, I must've done cured my ass-burgers by the time I got to my adulthood.

So yeah, so hoping I do get that super duper special official diagnosis. Apparently, it gives one carte blanche to hijack threads with straw arguments, silly metaphors and tasteless humor.

Honestly, I can't believe the hostility in this thread. The whole "baiting" thing, it's so annoyingly sociopathic. Makes ya wonder if there are wolves in sheep's clothing trolling here . . .

"He noted in the written evaluation that I "may have suffered from Asperger's Syndrome in my childhood". Well golly, I must've done cured my ass-burgers by the time I got to my adulthood. "

I hope you do know that the defining symptoms of Asperger's Syndrome can virtually disappear with age.

And you can't diagnose Apserger's Syndrome yourself. You need to have somebody else (who else has the qualification to do so) observe you, and make the diagnosis.

After all, many people have various health-related delusions. Some believe that they have heart disease despite being told that they don't. Some believe that they have cancer, despite undergoing a screening which ruled it out.

I never said they were universal, but I think that in general the accuracy is fairly high. Attwood says that he thinks the accuracy is over 90%.

You're not a professional, so why should anyone take your word that they probably don't have autism just because they don't have a professional signing off on that opinion? Attwood, however, is a professional who diagnoses adults, and he essentially says the opposite of what you're saying.

the average person tells 3 lies per 10 minutes of conversation. Having Asperger's or Autism might not necissarily change that.

oh and BTW - im self diagnosed, with a number of people i know backing it up and agreeing with me that i have a mild case of Asperger's. just because i'd rather not make it public on my record means that i don't have it?

holy f*****g crap, does that mean if i commit a crime and don't get caught, it isn't a crime?

same logic applies. just because i haven't made it official doesn't mean it isn't true. Things aren't how they used to be, you can go on google and search, research and read. I've spent about 36 hours researching Asperger's, and im sure ill do a damn sight more. This reading is what has me and a number of people convinced that i have AS. it doesn't take a degree these days to use this research and apply it, analysing the way we act. i myself can tell you that im currently obsessed with a girl i knew. According to the logic of not being able to self diagnose, i wouldn't be able to recognise that im obsessed. The fact that i can just goes to show that you CAN self diagnose - by diagnosing the individual things that add up to the big one.

You can also google various things, E.G. Explosive Anger. its something i suffer with, but isn't in the diagnostic guide for AS - yet its common in people with AS. Things like that give you a better insight than any crappy Guideline can - because who makes this guideline? who decides whether or not something is a symptom? For all we know, everyone in the world has Asperger's, just in a different form. official Diagnoses mean just about nothing, Doctors can make mistakes, People can make mistakes, the Guidelines can be wrong, and thanks to google, any person can find the same information as a professional.

This is a false equivalency. Three authors who are clinicians themselves and specialize in dealing with autism disorders are far from equivalent to your example.

Kevin P. Stoddart:

http://www.jkp.com/catalogue/author/1233



Lillian Burke, PhD, C.Psych.:

http://www.redpathcentre.ca/id65.html



Robert King, MD:

http://books.wwnorton.com/books/Author.aspx?id=9480



So each of the three authors of this book, Asperger Syndrome in Adulthood have been working with autistic children and adults for at least two decades each. I suspect they have the experience and expertise to make such a statement about the relative accuracy of self-diagnosis, and certainly more experience and expertise than you (since you started this with an appeal to clinical authority).

And have over 60 years of experience working with autistic people among them.

You might look for a specialist in developmental (or neurodevelopmental) disorders.

Now you're shifting goalposts.

First it was, "You can't say you're autistic until you're officially diagnosed by a professional." When it's pointed out some professionals say that self-diagnosis is accurate, you compare them to Creationists and that you want observations. You're given their observations, and now you want it to be a rigorous study. Just to convince you. When your assertion that self-diagnosis is largely inaccurate is backed by your own opinion, you want to go over every statement of self-diagnostic accuracy like it's the Zapruder film.

Anyway, why don't you offer convincing empirical data to support your claims? Provide research that autistic self-diagnosis is actually highly inaccurate (per your claim of ~20-30% earlier in the thread).

This is ridiculous. Not only is it unnecessarily mean, it's just plain wrong. ECT is not used to treat autism, so why would anyone who is self-diagnosed try to treat themselves with any kind of electrical shock? Further, your suggestion is actually dangerous, and bears no relation to ECT.

GENERAL REMINDER: please do not attack self-diagnosed aspies on the board. it is fine to disagree with self-diagnosis, but don't be nasty. i'd like this thread to stay open if possible, but i need people to keep calm and avoid attacking. thanks!

also, TowerCrane has been banned, as it is a sockpuppet of a known troll. so don't bother responding to their trolling trollishness.

Official diagnosis is costly and difficult to obtain, and open to even professional disagreement. Not everyone can afford it, for starters! You might be wrong as a self-diagnosed aspie, but even professionals (so called) can be wrong at the end of the day. There's no reason for any elitist attitude: "My autism is better than your autism." That kind of thing.

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I've never really understood this idea that "aspies don't lie..." Okay it may be a little less common and I do think that telling the truth is easier. But yeah I've lied quite a bit in the past. Sometimes for April Fools'... Sometimes to save myself from embarrassment or punishment. I guess it all comes down to not every autist is the same.

That's the second time Verdandi wastes her lenghty answers on a troll

I think they mean that aspies are brutally honest with people. for example if a girl asked how dress looks and its horrendous an aspie would say it is. an nt would lie and say it looks good.