Have people ever described you as "scary"?
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Skilpadde wrote:
Moomingirl wrote:
Skilpadde wrote:
I'm impressed that relatively small females here are able to scare big men! Man I envy you that, it's gotta make you feel safer? Like at least they won't do anything to you?
Actually it does work pretty well most of the time. Very few people mess with me if I put my 'hard stare' on. Doesn't make you feel very feminine though
I don't know that just a look would work on a genuine psycho if they tried to attack me, and even if I can look scary, I'm still small, so if it came down to genuine strength I wouldn't have a chance. So it's not a perfect safety system, because at the end of the day that's who is most likely to actually threaten your safety.
It'd still be somewhat helpful, by the sound of it. And certainly better than nothing. Although I suppose it could also lead to a false sense of safety. I doubt anything would work on actual psychos.
Tyri0n wrote:
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Can you elaborate? What exactly is it about the voice? I only have myself to judge by and while I think my voice is unusual (based on recordings), I don't know why it would be scary. Please elaborate so I can understand!
Prosody and inflection are off to the extent that it sounds creepy or unpleasant. This is the case in both men and women, but particularly in women. Men actually are worse, but the same level of impairment sounds less abnormal in men to the NT ear.
1. Here is a slightly creepy version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyUco0sxoaU (sounds like mentally ret*d/drug user to NT ears)
2. The creepier version (sounds a little gross): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYVuoYvQKyw (sounds gross to NT ears)
3. A video where the speaker seems disturbed and would definitely scare large men: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHdpgA1-HLs (sounds mentally disturbed and possibly dangerous to NT ears)
4. Here is an aspie girl with a very nice, though distinctly autistic, voice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IzAhBuJUh8 (sounds just like a younger version of my mother, actually....interesting )
Thanks! : D
I think my prosody can be off because I can sort of breathe wrong at times. When I had to read something out loud once I noticed that I tended to make a short stop as I finished reading the second last word before the comma, instead of stopping at the comma, but it was more like stopping to breathe. I think that might be due to asthma (and reduced lung capacity) more than ASD? Or maybe just breathing ‘wrong’ in the first place.
I don’t know how I usually sound. When I had to read out loud in school when I was little the teacher expressed surprise that I allegedly read the dialogue with feeling, yet my shrink claimed I spoke monotonously about my life. I didn’t feel like I did, but I was very anxious so that might have influenced me.
I have asked my mother and she said I do both.
The girl in the first video sounded ret*d to me too, TBH, especially at first… Makes me think of an interview I saw on TV a few days ago. An aspie was interviewed in connection with job training and he sounded ret*d. I actually cringed upon hearing it.
Someone I know IRL also has a way of speaking and a voice that makes her sound ret*d. She has CP, I don’t know if that has anything to do with it.
The second one sounded normal to me! That’s supposed to be creepy?? Same goes for the fourth. Annoying that she used the word ‘antisocial’ when she meant ‘asocial’ though! (and her views on what girls like lol)
I wouldn’t have noticed anything about the way the second and fourth speak…
The third one… well, she sounded off with her strange way of dividing sentences, interrupting herself and starting over. Other than that she sounded upset or high strung to me. One thing in particular that I noticed was 02:35-02:45. She says that “I love you guys” and mentions how getting 200 likes on FB made her so happy, and she neither looks nor sounds happy at all! Nor did she look or sound like someone who cared about the ones she talked about. That was very educational as to how I might come off myself as I don’t always show anything on my face, and I’ve just been annoyed by any such notions, but seeing it myself… I need to think about that….
Knowing is always a good thing.
Thank you for posting those, I really appreciate it!
I’m so sorry you got chewed out for it!
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Also, as someone likely on the spectrum myself and lacking in empathy, I tend to care more about accurate analysis and being helpful than the possibility of hurting someone's feelings.
I agree and again, I appreciate it!
daydreamer84 wrote:
Skilpadde- It';s not scary like, "she'd be a formidable opponent". I'm sure if they were looking for a target for a crime they'd still attack me. It's more like that person is raving mad, she looks mentally ill, unstable, creepy, so I;m going to move away from her. At least I think so.
Oh. Sorry. That’s no good then.
nessa238 wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
<snip quote same as above>
How can you know how any of these people sound 'to NT ears' unless you are NT yourself?
The last girl did not seem autistic at all to me so it's highly ironic you say she has a distinctly autistic voice
I sense a hell of a lot of negative judgement towards the first 3 women coming off yourself
I get fed up of people towards the NT end of the spectrum telling us all 'how it is'
Yes 'how it is' in NT land - if that's what you prefer go there, but please do not try and enforce NT 'standards' on a
board for people with Autism
None of those people sound 'creepy or unpleasant'
What is highly unpleasant is having people judge them in such an NT manner
In my opinion you don't like yourself very much so you project it onto others
That’s not fair. He was only posting that to help me understand how autistic voices come off. No one said anything about preferring anything, enforcing NT standards on anyone or judging them. It’s all about understanding oneself and the reactions one elicit.
It could be breathing, or something more.
After using a sweet recording program called Audacity, I've discovered that my prosody is off because I have too much "static" (not sure how else to describe it). Also, my waves are too large and "rough." Also, my tempo is too slow and I drag out certain words. This is what leads to the autistic/NLD voice.
So, after comparing my waves to those of an actor who sounds kind of like me, I tried focusing really hard on making short, fine waves with as little static as possible and making staccato endings to words and, voila, I managed to get a recording that sounded like a normal guy. I was able to repeat it several times and somehow felt more "clear-headed" and "confident" having erased the anomalous waves/static.
That mental image of short fine waves seems to be very good at helping to create a normal voice without much other help. Just thought I would throw that out there in case it works for others too.
Speaking of odd prosody… How about Michael Emerson (who plays Ben, leader of The Others, in Lost and some guy I can't recall the name of in Person of Interest)? He certainly has a weird way of speaking!
nessa238 wrote:
It was his use of words like 'gross' to describe the female voices that I didn't like
This could give impressionable people who sounded like the females being referred to the idea that everyone thought their voices were 'gross' etc when in reality it just isn't the case.
The idea that people should try and change their voices to try and fit in better is a bad one in my opinion
How about people just be themselves and tell the judgemental non-accepting types to f-k off?
That's worked far better for me and I am still myself, not some NT clone
You do not become your own person by modifying yourself to please every rude idiot who judges you
This could give impressionable people who sounded like the females being referred to the idea that everyone thought their voices were 'gross' etc when in reality it just isn't the case.
The idea that people should try and change their voices to try and fit in better is a bad one in my opinion
How about people just be themselves and tell the judgemental non-accepting types to f-k off?
That's worked far better for me and I am still myself, not some NT clone
You do not become your own person by modifying yourself to please every rude idiot who judges you
I have absolutely no interest in trying to become an NT clone or modify myself to the whim of whoever happens to be around me at the time. (With my personality that's about as likely as the sun rising in the west!) But it’s a far cry from that to attempt to modify certain aspects. For instance when even I react to someone’s intonation and facial expression not matching their words, I assume that NTs would react at least as much as I do. Since I don’t always have much expression and can sound monotonous, that means I will reduce my own credibility, and so it is in my own self-interest to be aware of it and do my best to act accordingly.
I don’t see it as judgmental to react to verbal and non-verbal messages not matching and I see no problem with trying to work on it. It will just make my communication easier.
I agree that if anyone reacts to someone's voice alone and finds it ‘gross’ they have a poor basis for judging anyone, but if that's the case it's better to know.
I found the voice of the third girl to be very grating, which made it harder for me to listen to the video clip. If I had lacked motivation, I likely wouldn't have listened to it. I have a neighbor with a piercing voice and a laughter so shrill it hurts my ears. I avoid her because I just can’t take much of that voice without getting overwhelmed. That’s got nothing to do with judging them. I don't know the former and the latter is pretty nice, but I react to their voices just the same. People without sensory issues shouldn't have any problems bearing over with a voice though.
Anyway, the issue wasn't really changing the voice, but be aware of how one speak. I've been told I come off as abrupt and try to keep that in mind.
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Tyri0n wrote:
Skilpadde wrote:
Moomingirl wrote:
Skilpadde wrote:
I'm impressed that relatively small females here are able to scare big men! Man I envy you that, it's gotta make you feel safer? Like at least they won't do anything to you?
Actually it does work pretty well most of the time. Very few people mess with me if I put my 'hard stare' on. Doesn't make you feel very feminine though
I don't know that just a look would work on a genuine psycho if they tried to attack me, and even if I can look scary, I'm still small, so if it came down to genuine strength I wouldn't have a chance. So it's not a perfect safety system, because at the end of the day that's who is most likely to actually threaten your safety.
It'd still be somewhat helpful, by the sound of it. And certainly better than nothing. Although I suppose it could also lead to a false sense of safety. I doubt anything would work on actual psychos.
Tyri0n wrote:
Quote:
Can you elaborate? What exactly is it about the voice? I only have myself to judge by and while I think my voice is unusual (based on recordings), I don't know why it would be scary. Please elaborate so I can understand!
Prosody and inflection are off to the extent that it sounds creepy or unpleasant. This is the case in both men and women, but particularly in women. Men actually are worse, but the same level of impairment sounds less abnormal in men to the NT ear.
1. Here is a slightly creepy version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyUco0sxoaU (sounds like mentally ret*d/drug user to NT ears)
2. The creepier version (sounds a little gross): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYVuoYvQKyw (sounds gross to NT ears)
3. A video where the speaker seems disturbed and would definitely scare large men: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHdpgA1-HLs (sounds mentally disturbed and possibly dangerous to NT ears)
4. Here is an aspie girl with a very nice, though distinctly autistic, voice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IzAhBuJUh8 (sounds just like a younger version of my mother, actually....interesting )
Thanks! : D
I think my prosody can be off because I can sort of breathe wrong at times. When I had to read something out loud once I noticed that I tended to make a short stop as I finished reading the second last word before the comma, instead of stopping at the comma, but it was more like stopping to breathe. I think that might be due to asthma (and reduced lung capacity) more than ASD? Or maybe just breathing ‘wrong’ in the first place.
I don’t know how I usually sound. When I had to read out loud in school when I was little the teacher expressed surprise that I allegedly read the dialogue with feeling, yet my shrink claimed I spoke monotonously about my life. I didn’t feel like I did, but I was very anxious so that might have influenced me.
I have asked my mother and she said I do both.
The girl in the first video sounded ret*d to me too, TBH, especially at first… Makes me think of an interview I saw on TV a few days ago. An aspie was interviewed in connection with job training and he sounded ret*d. I actually cringed upon hearing it.
Someone I know IRL also has a way of speaking and a voice that makes her sound ret*d. She has CP, I don’t know if that has anything to do with it.
The second one sounded normal to me! That’s supposed to be creepy?? Same goes for the fourth. Annoying that she used the word ‘antisocial’ when she meant ‘asocial’ though! (and her views on what girls like lol)
I wouldn’t have noticed anything about the way the second and fourth speak…
The third one… well, she sounded off with her strange way of dividing sentences, interrupting herself and starting over. Other than that she sounded upset or high strung to me. One thing in particular that I noticed was 02:35-02:45. She says that “I love you guys” and mentions how getting 200 likes on FB made her so happy, and she neither looks nor sounds happy at all! Nor did she look or sound like someone who cared about the ones she talked about. That was very educational as to how I might come off myself as I don’t always show anything on my face, and I’ve just been annoyed by any such notions, but seeing it myself… I need to think about that….
Knowing is always a good thing.
Thank you for posting those, I really appreciate it!
I’m so sorry you got chewed out for it!
Quote:
Also, as someone likely on the spectrum myself and lacking in empathy, I tend to care more about accurate analysis and being helpful than the possibility of hurting someone's feelings.
I agree and again, I appreciate it!
daydreamer84 wrote:
Skilpadde- It';s not scary like, "she'd be a formidable opponent". I'm sure if they were looking for a target for a crime they'd still attack me. It's more like that person is raving mad, she looks mentally ill, unstable, creepy, so I;m going to move away from her. At least I think so.
Oh. Sorry. That’s no good then.
nessa238 wrote:
Tyri0n wrote:
<snip quote same as above>
How can you know how any of these people sound 'to NT ears' unless you are NT yourself?
The last girl did not seem autistic at all to me so it's highly ironic you say she has a distinctly autistic voice
I sense a hell of a lot of negative judgement towards the first 3 women coming off yourself
I get fed up of people towards the NT end of the spectrum telling us all 'how it is'
Yes 'how it is' in NT land - if that's what you prefer go there, but please do not try and enforce NT 'standards' on a
board for people with Autism
None of those people sound 'creepy or unpleasant'
What is highly unpleasant is having people judge them in such an NT manner
In my opinion you don't like yourself very much so you project it onto others
That’s not fair. He was only posting that to help me understand how autistic voices come off. No one said anything about preferring anything, enforcing NT standards on anyone or judging them. It’s all about understanding oneself and the reactions one elicit.
It could be breathing, or something more.
After using a sweet recording program called Audacity, I've discovered that my prosody is off because I have too much "static" (not sure how else to describe it). Also, my waves are too large and "rough." Also, my tempo is too slow and I drag out certain words. This is what leads to the autistic/NLD voice.
So, after comparing my waves to those of an actor who sounds kind of like me, I tried focusing really hard on making short, fine waves with as little static as possible and making staccato endings to words and, voila, I managed to get a recording that sounded like a normal guy. I was able to repeat it several times and somehow felt more "clear-headed" and "confident" having erased the anomalous waves/static.
That mental image of short fine waves seems to be very good at helping to create a normal voice without much other help. Just thought I would throw that out there in case it works for others too.
THAT is pretty cool.
I misplaced my cellphone last week and had to call from a landline to listen for it ringing so I could find it. It rang and went to voicemail. I listened to my vm greeting for probably the first time since I recorded it over a year ago. Holy s**t is it ever Aspie prosody'd all to hell. I REALLY noticed it.. it's not subtle. At all. Makes me wonder how often I sound that bad/different.
I've noticed that my own, and another ASD person's, vocal prosody changes under certain scenarios & is more pronounced and obviously noticeable - especially when reciting a monologue on some encyclopaedic knowledge, or when I've responded to questions automatically with the exact same answer as I'd given to someone else when they asked previously. Besides the prosody issues being quite pronounced, speech also seems to be a bit too quick, annnd what was kinda creepy but very interesting to observe is that not only are the words identical, but the prosody components as well. Exact match. EXACT. It's as if in these scenarios my/our brains are recalling data from a hard drive and spitting it out verbally like a recording playing back. May have some link to various types of memory recall.
Annnyways, doing a little analysis and visualization therapy w/ Audacity sounds pretty cool.
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