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10 Apr 2013, 5:38 pm

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Me at age five,already getting bullied on the playground.
The other kids called me "pumpkin head".
They had to carry me on the bus screaming and kicking,meltdown mornings.


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10 Apr 2013, 5:44 pm

There it is, that same sort of glazed look. The face does something that the eyes don't join in with.


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10 Apr 2013, 6:01 pm

^^^^^It's a look that lures bullies to hit you with flying objects,spit wads,hickory nuts,water balloons,food,fists.etc.......
I could never figure out why they were so cruel,guess I occupied space and they didn't like it.I didn't know how to fight back.Or fit in.


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10 Apr 2013, 6:15 pm

I was always picked on for my physical awkwardness and dyspraxia, rather than any stare.


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10 Apr 2013, 6:37 pm

^^^^^Yeah,that also.I couldn't jump rope at age seven and in P.E. class I couldn't dribble a basketball or catch a ball.Last picked for sports.
I did learn to play soccer in High School,no hands!! !
I'm still clumsy and trip over stuff all the time,the most accident prone kid and adult ever.


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10 Apr 2013, 10:37 pm

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Psychopaths are meant to have an intense stare

It could be the flash going off that has startled him or he could be doing that expression just for effect


You know that you shouldn't be so stereotypical about others. Even if they do a terrible crime. :x He's not a "psychopath" either.
Please don't take offence. I just get so worked up about negative labeling to others.


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11 Apr 2013, 3:42 am

Adam Lanza looks like he’s startled or putting on an act in that picture.

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I don't think they're cold blooded psychos (I hope). They're just trying to make humour from a tragical situation. The problem with black humour is that the line that separates it from an unappropiate comment is a thin line, that besides it doesn't lie in the same place for everybody.

I don't think it's funny, we're talking about murdered kids. But neither I think that there's bad intention, just lack of social skills.


With so many fingers pointing at Aspergers over what happened to those kids, I think this is the last place flippant remarks and jokes about it should be made.

Perhaps I over reacted or reacted in the wrong way, but that kind of thing happens in situations like this and a lack of social skills swings both ways.


Precissely because so many fingers are pointing, helping people to be aware of incorrect comments is important. When you tell people that they acted wrong in a aggresive way, they use to rise up their barriers and hold up their position, so at then end nothing changes.

I think you're right, but I think that saying it in a more diplomatic way would be more helpful.

There is absolutely nothing wrong or incorrect or inappropriate about black humour. Some people are too sensitive to take it, others simply don’t like it, while others find it fun. There isn’t a single topic that can’t be joked about. You have to be able to see the difference between a joke about something and the real thing. Who_Am_I’s joke was fun IMO. You don’t have to like it, but you need to accept that people’s sense of humour differs and get over thinking they are incorrect for it.
Personally I have always been a fan of dark hunour.


As for the reasons why Adam Lanza did what he did, from what I’ve picked up, he had a conflict with his mother and at least someone at the school where she worked. His mother wanted him committed, and he wanted to take her out and everyone who was important to her.
Considering that he was bullied when he went to that school himself, and had a conflict with someone working there, I think it’s safe to assume that there was more to his actions. I think nessa238 is spot on. Lanza as the world got to hear of him was made by his experiences. In nearly all mass shootings there were lots of incidents leading up to the event. Whenever I hear talk about how to avoid school shootings I think “Don’t bully. It’s that simple.” I don’t condone of massacres. Being bullied doesn’t exempt you from responsibility for your own actions. No one can make you do anything. You alone are responsible for your actions. Unless we’re talking self-defence or defence of loved ones, there are no mitigating circumstances for murder.
I have no problems understanding their rage, though. I have been there myself. But instead of going on a shooting spree, which for the record never occurred to me, I spent about 15 years picking verbal fights with people over the silliest reasons, looking for reasons to be offended really (but never with the ones I should have confronted). That rage wasn’t created in a vacuum either, but I’m still the one responsible for my behaviour. Finally dealing with it and get over the worst has been a great relief.


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I feel other people staring at me is a challenge and I often stare them out as it really annoys me

They think I'm a vulnerable, weak looking person at first sight and think they'll intimidate me then when I stare back they can't maintain eye contact so I see it as a win!


Probably they even didn't realize that it was a contest...


Oh yeah, it can be a challenge. Especially on public transport people generally come in two types, those who will look at anything but the other passengers, and those who challenge you. There was even a joke about it on an entertainment radio show. The guy talked about having gotten into a staring contest with another man, and was still at it when he got to his station so he couldn’t leave less he lost. It was exaggerated for humorous effect of course, but the phenomenon is real , and there is no mistaking that look. Being angry or relaxed are the only ways I can maintain eye contact. I too have been provoked into staring back.


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11 Apr 2013, 5:46 am

Skilpadde wrote:
Adam Lanza looks like he’s startled or putting on an act in that picture.

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Greb wrote:
I don't think they're cold blooded psychos (I hope). They're just trying to make humour from a tragical situation. The problem with black humour is that the line that separates it from an unappropiate comment is a thin line, that besides it doesn't lie in the same place for everybody.

I don't think it's funny, we're talking about murdered kids. But neither I think that there's bad intention, just lack of social skills.


With so many fingers pointing at Aspergers over what happened to those kids, I think this is the last place flippant remarks and jokes about it should be made.

Perhaps I over reacted or reacted in the wrong way, but that kind of thing happens in situations like this and a lack of social skills swings both ways.


Precissely because so many fingers are pointing, helping people to be aware of incorrect comments is important. When you tell people that they acted wrong in a aggresive way, they use to rise up their barriers and hold up their position, so at then end nothing changes.

I think you're right, but I think that saying it in a more diplomatic way would be more helpful.

There is absolutely nothing wrong or incorrect or inappropriate about black humour. Some people are too sensitive to take it, others simply don’t like it, while others find it fun. There isn’t a single topic that can’t be joked about. You have to be able to see the difference between a joke about something and the real thing. Who_Am_I’s joke was fun IMO. You don’t have to like it, but you need to accept that people’s sense of humour differs and get over thinking they are incorrect for it.
Personally I have always been a fan of dark hunour.


As for the reasons why Adam Lanza did what he did, from what I’ve picked up, he had a conflict with his mother and at least someone at the school where she worked. His mother wanted him committed, and he wanted to take her out and everyone who was important to her.
Considering that he was bullied when he went to that school himself, and had a conflict with someone working there, I think it’s safe to assume that there was more to his actions. I think nessa238 is spot on. Lanza as the world got to hear of him was made by his experiences. In nearly all mass shootings there were lots of incidents leading up to the event. Whenever I hear talk about how to avoid school shootings I think “Don’t bully. It’s that simple.” I don’t condone of massacres. Being bullied doesn’t exempt you from responsibility for your own actions. No one can make you do anything. You alone are responsible for your actions. Unless we’re talking self-defence or defence of loved ones, there are no mitigating circumstances for murder.
I have no problems understanding their rage, though. I have been there myself. But instead of going on a shooting spree, which for the record never occurred to me, I spent about 15 years picking verbal fights with people over the silliest reasons, looking for reasons to be offended really (but never with the ones I should have confronted). That rage wasn’t created in a vacuum either, but I’m still the one responsible for my behaviour. Finally dealing with it and get over the worst has been a great relief.


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I feel other people staring at me is a challenge and I often stare them out as it really annoys me

They think I'm a vulnerable, weak looking person at first sight and think they'll intimidate me then when I stare back they can't maintain eye contact so I see it as a win!


Probably they even didn't realize that it was a contest...


Oh yeah, it can be a challenge. Especially on public transport people generally come in two types, those who will look at anything but the other passengers, and those who challenge you. There was even a joke about it on an entertainment radio show. The guy talked about having gotten into a staring contest with another man, and was still at it when he got to his station so he couldn’t leave less he lost. It was exaggerated for humorous effect of course, but the phenomenon is real , and there is no mistaking that look. Being angry or relaxed are the only ways I can maintain eye contact. I too have been provoked into staring back.


Yes, of course he's responsible for how he acted on his feelings of rage but even that is up to a point as surely when a person loses their sanity they are less able to control themselves. If you could murder all those people you are not what I'd call sane hence your mind is unbalanced and you aren't in control.

The last time I felt very depressed I felt I was losing control and had these impulses to run outside and do something extreme like run into the traffic. I managed to control them and took anti-depressants and Valium to calm me down but what if I hadn't had access to those medications so quickly and what if my impulses had been a violent ones as opposed to self-destructive ones?

This is what happens when your mental health gets too bad - you aren't in control any more. You can have all the people in the world saying how evil you are but if you are no longer in control it's irrelevant.

This is all the more reason for society to be inclusive of everyone, so their mental health is remains good. One person's bad mental health could be lethal for a lot of people so it's in everyone's interests to be inclusive, not bully and give people the support they need quickly if they become ill. Society just isn't intelligent or caring enough to make all these obvious connections though so these shootings will keep happening.



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11 Apr 2013, 9:09 am

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^^^^^It's a look that lures bullies to hit you with flying objects,spit wads,hickory nuts,water balloons,food,fists.etc.......
I could never figure out why they were so cruel,guess I occupied space and they didn't like it.I didn't know how to fight back.Or fit in.
I'd really like to know what about this makes kids act this way? They started at 3 with me or rather when I had my first interactions with children. The look makes some sense of why people often ask me if I feel OK.

A quick look at meny old photos and I have it aswell, the other ASD children I know also had that look. At least I now know why I often photograph so poorly. I still have the look to this day.



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11 Apr 2013, 9:32 am

Uhm, guys, mental illness doesn't cause violence. Statistically--little or no connection. So, even if we were to completely eradicate mental illness (somehow...) there would still be shootings.

The only exception is that people with drug addictions tend to be more likely to engage in violent acts. But we don't know whether that's because they have an addiction--it could just be that people who are more impulsive or hot-headed are also the sort more vulnerable to drug addiction.

Violence in people with mental illness tends to be much more uncomplicated than the planning it takes to carry out a mass shooting. They'll hit people or use whatever weapon happens to be nearby, like stabbing somebody with a fork.

Yeah, mental illness does raise the risk of self-directed violence, such as self-injury and suicide. But it seems to be unrelated to violence against other people. Yeah, mentally ill people commit violent acts, but not at any greater rate than mentally healthy people.

Can we maybe stop dragging that old rotting fallacy out of its grave yet again? If you wanna talk about a particular person's mental illness and his particular violent acts, okay. But you can't make blanket statements that crazy people are violent, because that quite simply isn't true.


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11 Apr 2013, 9:41 am

No it is not, it looks like he is just trying to be creepy because he is wearing a costume.


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11 Apr 2013, 9:51 am

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Uhm, guys, mental illness doesn't cause violence. Statistically--little or no connection. So, even if we were to completely eradicate mental illness (somehow...) there would still be shootings.

The only exception is that people with drug addictions tend to be more likely to engage in violent acts. But we don't know whether that's because they have an addiction--it could just be that people who are more impulsive or hot-headed are also the sort more vulnerable to drug addiction.

Violence in people with mental illness tends to be much more uncomplicated than the planning it takes to carry out a mass shooting. They'll hit people or use whatever weapon happens to be nearby, like stabbing somebody with a fork.

Yeah, mental illness does raise the risk of self-directed violence, such as self-injury and suicide. But it seems to be unrelated to violence against other people. Yeah, mentally ill people commit violent acts, but not at any greater rate than mentally healthy people.

Can we maybe stop dragging that old rotting fallacy out of its grave yet again? If you wanna talk about a particular person's mental illness and his particular violent acts, okay. But you can't make blanket statements that crazy people are violent, because that quite simply isn't true.


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11 Apr 2013, 9:58 am

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I wasn't laughing at murdered children FFS, I was laughing at the idea that being rejected by society is a good reason to go and shoot children who've done nothing to hurt you. Try getting your facts straight before mouthing off.

By the way, I'm pretty sure that calling people "cold blooded psychopaths" is against the rules.


Don't blame me for you saying something that's easily misinterpreted. And I said that's what the two of you were sounding like.

But hey, next time someone makes jokes or flippant remarks about 20 kids being gunned down I'll just leave the thread.


No, his comment wasn't just black humor, it was a sarcastic jab at another comment implying that the deed was completely horrible and the other person was making light of it.


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Uhm, guys, mental illness doesn't cause violence. Statistically--little or no connection. So, even if we were to completely eradicate mental illness (somehow...) there would still be shootings.

The only exception is that people with drug addictions tend to be more likely to engage in violent acts. But we don't know whether that's because they have an addiction--it could just be that people who are more impulsive or hot-headed are also the sort more vulnerable to drug addiction.

Violence in people with mental illness tends to be much more uncomplicated than the planning it takes to carry out a mass shooting. They'll hit people or use whatever weapon happens to be nearby, like stabbing somebody with a fork.

Yeah, mental illness does raise the risk of self-directed violence, such as self-injury and suicide. But it seems to be unrelated to violence against other people. Yeah, mentally ill people commit violent acts, but not at any greater rate than mentally healthy people.

Can we maybe stop dragging that old rotting fallacy out of its grave yet again? If you wanna talk about a particular person's mental illness and his particular violent acts, okay. But you can't make blanket statements that crazy people are violent, because that quite simply isn't true.


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This isn't an opinion, it's worded as a fact and it is as such. It's statistical data. It's pretty insulting that you are calling that an opinion with the implications behind it.


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Uhm, guys, mental illness doesn't cause violence. Statistically--little or no connection. So, even if we were to completely eradicate mental illness (somehow...) there would still be shootings.

The only exception is that people with drug addictions tend to be more likely to engage in violent acts. But we don't know whether that's because they have an addiction--it could just be that people who are more impulsive or hot-headed are also the sort more vulnerable to drug addiction.

Violence in people with mental illness tends to be much more uncomplicated than the planning it takes to carry out a mass shooting. They'll hit people or use whatever weapon happens to be nearby, like stabbing somebody with a fork.

Yeah, mental illness does raise the risk of self-directed violence, such as self-injury and suicide. But it seems to be unrelated to violence against other people. Yeah, mentally ill people commit violent acts, but not at any greater rate than mentally healthy people.

Can we maybe stop dragging that old rotting fallacy out of its grave yet again? If you wanna talk about a particular person's mental illness and his particular violent acts, okay. But you can't make blanket statements that crazy people are violent, because that quite simply isn't true.


In life there's your opinion and other peoples' opinions

your opinion is yours and other peoples' is theirs

you are not 'the authority' on anything


This isn't an opinion, it's worded as a fact and it is as such. It's statistical data. It's pretty insulting that you are calling that an opinion with the implications behind it.


it's not fact any more than my post is fact

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nessa238 wrote:
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Uhm, guys, mental illness doesn't cause violence. Statistically--little or no connection. So, even if we were to completely eradicate mental illness (somehow...) there would still be shootings.

The only exception is that people with drug addictions tend to be more likely to engage in violent acts. But we don't know whether that's because they have an addiction--it could just be that people who are more impulsive or hot-headed are also the sort more vulnerable to drug addiction.

Violence in people with mental illness tends to be much more uncomplicated than the planning it takes to carry out a mass shooting. They'll hit people or use whatever weapon happens to be nearby, like stabbing somebody with a fork.

Yeah, mental illness does raise the risk of self-directed violence, such as self-injury and suicide. But it seems to be unrelated to violence against other people. Yeah, mentally ill people commit violent acts, but not at any greater rate than mentally healthy people.

Can we maybe stop dragging that old rotting fallacy out of its grave yet again? If you wanna talk about a particular person's mental illness and his particular violent acts, okay. But you can't make blanket statements that crazy people are violent, because that quite simply isn't true.


In life there's your opinion and other peoples' opinions

your opinion is yours and other peoples' is theirs

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Of course not. But I have statistics to back up my claims, and so I can make a stronger claim to truth than someone who is depending on a single anecdote like Lanza's case.

To clarify, I'm not saying that what I say is correct because I'm the one saying it. I don't even have my bachelor's degree. The research I'm referring to (which you can find via Google, and more indepth in a journal database like PsycInfo) was, however, conducted by people who do have their degrees and are qualified to do it. So I feel I am safe in saying that this is more than opinion--that, in fact, mental illness and violence have very little, if any, direct connection.


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