What movitates or motivated you to stay alive

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12 Aug 2015, 5:16 pm

I fear dying more than living, and it would hurt my family if I ended my life. Plus I couldn't eat or watch my favorite shows and movies anymore. That's about it, really.


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12 Aug 2015, 5:17 pm

I've always thought of Death as a place where you are stuck in one place forever.



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12 Aug 2015, 11:27 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I've always thought of Death as a place where you are stuck in one place forever.


Hi Kraftikortie,

I'm good. Thanks! How about you?
I couldn't feel better and learn without those people around me.
And also, my faith.

I think of death as another place in another dimension. I do believe in heaven and hell, but I also do believe in reincarnation. The soul must have something to be at, or in terms of Physics since we are made of energy, we might not be destroyed.
There must be a place for us.



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12 Aug 2015, 11:53 pm

everything i've read seems to indicate that, depending on the motivations of the suicide/premature death/"accident" one can find oneself in "outer darkness" [heaven's "time out"] or in a place of peace where one can decompress after the lifetime just ended. as for me [and probably lots of other folk as well], since I am far closer to the end than to the beginning, it seems a waste to prematurely end things now, knowing I will likely just have to return to the beginning of the line in some other [probably] grimmer lifetime. so I might as well finish this particular life assignment as intended, be done with it proper and only then rest.



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13 Aug 2015, 4:18 am

Video games are my life. :heart:
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I've always thought of Death as a place where you are stuck in one place forever.

Wrong. When you die, you just cease to exist. Were you stuck in one place forever before being born?
http://www.naturalism.org/death.htm


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13 Aug 2015, 4:31 am

The fact I have no idea how to kill myself and the guilt of whoever has to clean up my dead body from wherever it ends up. And the off chance people do care about me being alive. If I'm on my own (so nobody would notice), have a plan that doesn't inconvenience others and am still unhappy I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't do it. But at the moment I can't so that motivates me to stay alive. I hope I get happier though. And find a purpose. Once I find a use for myself then I'm sure I'll be ok. I mean, I wish I was never born, but I have been now so I just have to either find a use for myself or get rid of myself. I don't mind either way.



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13 Aug 2015, 11:11 am

Owl123 wrote:
I do believe in heaven and hell, but I also do believe in reincarnation. The soul must have something to be at, or in terms of Physics since we are made of energy, we might not be destroyed.
There must be a place for us.

My thinking is that there's no hard evidence for the existence of a soul. In terms of physics, we could be seen as being made of energy (I would say energy and matter, but e = mc squared, so fair enough), but so is a calculator, yet it wouldn't survive as a recognisable calculator if it were physically destroyed. The matter and energy that once made it (or you) up would survive in the same way as a the bricks of a demolished building might survive, but the original entity would be gone until such time as somebody went out of their way to collect everything back together and rebuild it, which would often be impossible, or very nearly so.

I don't think that death is necessarily always going to be inevitable. People used to think a person was dead when their pulse and breathing stopped, until resuscitation techniques were invented. Gradually the definition of death has to be pushed back as medical science discovers ways of restoring "dead" people. The only definition of death that makes sense to me these days is that it's a level of damage so profound that there's no chance of restoring the person. The beauty of it is that such a feat can never be absolutely known to be forever impossible. Whether or not (say) a cryogenically frozen corpse is dead depends entirely on what will happen to it next. The ancient Egyptians were nearly right when they preserved their pharaohs in anticipation of a future awakening - they just didn't know that their technology wasn't up to it.



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13 Aug 2015, 11:19 am

If I died I wouldn't get to learn anything new. I want to see the way society changes, what technology we will have, etc


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13 Aug 2015, 12:08 pm

My niece. But she is soon to hit puberty and thus will be needing my highly flawed guardianship less and less.

Without her my life would be so profoundly bereft of meaning that suicide would seem like the only rational option.

I can't allow myself to be dependent on my mother until the day that she dies and if self-sufficiency is unaccomplishable, then one has to at least explore the possibility of ending one's life. Ironically, the closer to death I become the more alive I feel.


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13 Aug 2015, 3:39 pm

JakeASD wrote:
My niece. But she is soon to hit puberty and thus will be needing my highly flawed guardianship less and less.

Without her my life would be so profoundly bereft of meaning that suicide would seem like the only rational option.

I can't allow myself to be dependent on my mother until the day that she dies and if self-sufficiency is unaccomplishable, then one has to at least explore the possibility of ending one's life. Ironically, the closer to death I become the more alive I feel.


I'm sure I've posted in this thread before, but I'll do it again now.

1) It used to always be other people. I'm motivated by my friends, family, & God kids especially - I would do anything for them. Anything. Including stay alive through my darkest moments, or work outside over the Winter until my hands bleed - which I've done. They didn't technically need me to do that, but I use them as my motivation to do it. Whenever I thought life & work were too hard and I questioned why I was doing what I was doing vs. quitting and going home and finding an easier job to do, I'd just picture my youngest God daughter in my mind and remind myself that I would do this work for her if I had to & that got me through a lot of difficult days.

2) Now I'm still not ideally self serving, but I do do a lot of things for myself that I never used to. When I was depressed I'd keep myself going in order to protect my future hopefully happier healthier self. Now I am that happier healthier future self. Now I do things to continue to improve myself & advance towards achieving my goals in life. Yet they're still for other people. My business plans, medical research pursuits etc - sure, they're for me to self actualize my goals, but they're to benefit other people. A lot of people. And that drives me to carry on. I feel as if I have some gifts to give this world and it keeps me on track doing what I Need to to get what I Want.

I bolded that last statement of yours above because it's oh-so-true! The less fear you have of death, or anything, the more alive you feel! It's like the song lyrics go "everything that kills me.. makes me feel alive!" Same goes for work and money, too. You can't threaten a man who has nothing to lose.. or has no fears about what will happen if he does in fact lose everything. It's made me a bit riskier and work and in investments. At work a coworker, a very wise man - an independently wealthy philanthropist - suggested I tread lightly about some things so as not to lose my job. I told him you can't threaten a man with nothing to lose - because if I were to lose my job, I'd have another within a week that paid 2-3 times as much. It doesn't make me a jerk at work by any means, but it certainly allows me to do some things without fear or anxiety whatsoever. A lack of fear, anxiety, depression or negative thoughts is complete and total freedom to be present & focused, and to take appropriate calculated risks. The closer to death I become, the more alive I feel indeed.. whether in sports, or work, or investing, or life.. without fear of death or failure I'm ripping by on my kiteboard giving death a fist bump and a smile & telling that cloaked bastard I'll see him at the afterlife party when I'm through with all the good work I have to get done in this life! :D


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14 Aug 2015, 7:49 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
Owl123 wrote:
I do believe in heaven and hell, but I also do believe in reincarnation. The soul must have something to be at, or in terms of Physics since we are made of energy, we might not be destroyed.
There must be a place for us.

My thinking is that there's no hard evidence for the existence of a soul. In terms of physics, we could be seen as being made of energy (I would say energy and matter, but e = mc squared, so fair enough), but so is a calculator, yet it wouldn't survive as a recognisable calculator if it were physically destroyed. The matter and energy that once made it (or you) up would survive in the same way as a the bricks of a demolished building might survive, but the original entity would be gone until such time as somebody went out of their way to collect everything back together and rebuild it, which would often be impossible, or very nearly so.

I don't think that death is necessarily always going to be inevitable. People used to think a person was dead when their pulse and breathing stopped, until resuscitation techniques were invented. Gradually the definition of death has to be pushed back as medical science discovers ways of restoring "dead" people. The only definition of death that makes sense to me these days is that it's a level of damage so profound that there's no chance of restoring the person. The beauty of it is that such a feat can never be absolutely known to be forever impossible. Whether or not (say) a cryogenically frozen corpse is dead depends entirely on what will happen to it next. The ancient Egyptians were nearly right when they preserved their pharaohs in anticipation of a future awakening - they just didn't know that their technology wasn't up to it.


I have fathomed a bit the depths of your thoughts about "Death" as what I supposed you meant to elaborate. It's good to know we have somewhat similar views about such. Another notion I have summed up is that, "The physical state will always be temporary yet the Soul will always remain. "



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14 Aug 2015, 1:52 pm

auntblabby wrote:
it seems a waste to prematurely end things now, knowing I will likely just have to return to the beginning of the line in some other [probably] grimmer lifetime.

Sort of.
We can't experience birth or death, just like we can't experience unconsciousness.
After a consciousness dies, awareness continues in the context of a new consciousness.


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14 Aug 2015, 5:00 pm

Cockroach96 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
it seems a waste to prematurely end things now, knowing I will likely just have to return to the beginning of the line in some other [probably] grimmer lifetime.

Sort of.
We can't experience birth or death, just like we can't experience unconsciousness.
After a consciousness dies, awareness continues in the context of a new consciousness.

that is the bad part, not having the conscious benefit of the experiences from this present lifetime to guide me away from danger.