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OliveOilMom
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20 Dec 2013, 2:25 pm
ResilientBrilliance wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
qawer wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
Another thing that's important to learn to do as an adult is to be "bullyproof". An example is when several years ago I had to go to the office at the Junior High where my son was in trouble. The new principal was this big black dude who expected everything to be exactly his way, he had the last word, no quarter given, no excuses accepted. I walked in and he asked me to sit, which I did and he stood over me. In a booming voice but not a shout he started ranting about my son and what he did and when I went to speak up he told me "Oh no you don't, it's not your place to speak here! This is my office!" So I stood up, looked him in the eye and said "Hon, if you're trying to intimidate me you might as well give it up. It's not possible. It's kind of cute though, but it's getting you nowhere. Lets be grownups now ok? Or I can just go to the board or come back later on after you are done channeling Patton." Then I walked out.
Next time he was normal. In fact we got to be friends and talked on FB about his love of building scale model wooden ships. I also made him a mojo hand that he carries every day, he asked me for one when he got cancer. He's in remission now thank goodness. But that shows you, if you can stand up to one of them, they sometimes stop. He didn't expect that. He was an ex football player, rough and tough, used to scaring the sh** out of everybody, grown men included. He did not expect a little white lady to just not put up with it.
Next time he was normal. In fact we got to be friends and talked on FB about his love of building scale model wooden ships. I also made him a mojo hand that he carries every day, he asked me for one when he got cancer. He's in remission now thank goodness. But that shows you, if you can stand up to one of them, they sometimes stop. He didn't expect that. He was an ex football player, rough and tough, used to scaring the sh** out of everybody, grown men included. He did not expect a little white lady to just not put up with it.
I understand what you are saying.
But the thing is - a man like him does not think he did anything wrong to you. His reaction is only due to considering you high in the social hierarchy, so he feels he needs to respect you (as a result of you standing up to him).
If that guy meets another person who does not stand up for himself, he will treat him in the same awful manner.
To many people, all there exists is power. If you have more power than another person, you are allowed to dominate them and treat them badly. In their mind, that is.
You can't change society and you can't change crazy people. You can only change yourself and how you react to them. Your choices are 1. Stay the same and become bitter and hate filled because people treat you like crap and you don't stand up for yourself 2. Learn to stand up for yourself and do so, even though it doesn't always work, but be prepared to stand your ground and the amount of bullying you have to take will lessen, 3. Become assertive to the point of almost aggressive when need to be when dealing with bullies. Out bully them or simply "pooh pooh" their behavior in a "awwww, isn't that cute! he's trying to bully me!" way.
It's better than being a bitter perpetual victim and living your life filled with hatred and jealousy.
You sound like the part of society/mankind that needs to change. Why did you feel the need to caricaturize the principal as a big black dude? You sound obnoxious and inane.
I didn't caricaturize him as that. He is a big black dude. For a while he was a skinny black dude when he was going through the cancer, but my younger son and I actually saw him at Walmart last week and he looked great! He's a big black dude once again and he's happy over gaining back his weight and even some extra pounds. The cancer is in complete remission and I'm so thrilled. We talked for a while and he was happy to see how my son was doing now, because they had been the bane of each other's existence when he was going there.
Which word bothered you? Was it big? Because he was pretty proud of being in shape. He had been very athletic before the cancer and he was tall. He would look down on almost everybody and has this deep voice and very serious face he uses at work. His size was intimidating. Is it because I said he's black? He is black. He knows it, and he knows that I know it, and I don't think he's offended that I know it. Most people I know, when describing someone of a different race will mention that race because if you don't then it's implied that they are the same race as you. Mentioning their race is just descriptive, it's not trying to put anyone down. He probably would have described me as a skinny white lady. I wouldn't have been offended or felt caricaturized. Is it because I said he was a dude? Because he is. He's not a chick, I'm a chick, he's a dude. Or I can be a girl and he can be a boy, or I can be a gal and he can be a guy, or I can be a dame and he can be a gent, or I can be a female and he can be a male, or whatever words to describe someones sex you want to use. I use lots of them and I change it up. Does it offend you that he is a big black dude and a school principal who is intimidating with the parents and kids? Because that's his job. What exactly offended you? Is it caricature to give an accurate description of someone?
Just what is it that bothers you about this so much that you would not only just comment here and go on with things, which is what most people do here, but you had to send me a PM to tell me you commented on my "stupid rant"? I'm serious. Exactly how did that offend you?
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20 Dec 2013, 2:36 pm
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20 Dec 2013, 2:58 pm
qawer wrote:
ResilientBrilliance wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
qawer wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
Another thing that's important to learn to do as an adult is to be "bullyproof". An example is when several years ago I had to go to the office at the Junior High where my son was in trouble. The new principal was this big black dude who expected everything to be exactly his way, he had the last word, no quarter given, no excuses accepted. I walked in and he asked me to sit, which I did and he stood over me. In a booming voice but not a shout he started ranting about my son and what he did and when I went to speak up he told me "Oh no you don't, it's not your place to speak here! This is my office!" So I stood up, looked him in the eye and said "Hon, if you're trying to intimidate me you might as well give it up. It's not possible. It's kind of cute though, but it's getting you nowhere. Lets be grownups now ok? Or I can just go to the board or come back later on after you are done channeling Patton." Then I walked out.
Next time he was normal. In fact we got to be friends and talked on FB about his love of building scale model wooden ships. I also made him a mojo hand that he carries every day, he asked me for one when he got cancer. He's in remission now thank goodness. But that shows you, if you can stand up to one of them, they sometimes stop. He didn't expect that. He was an ex football player, rough and tough, used to scaring the sh** out of everybody, grown men included. He did not expect a little white lady to just not put up with it.
Next time he was normal. In fact we got to be friends and talked on FB about his love of building scale model wooden ships. I also made him a mojo hand that he carries every day, he asked me for one when he got cancer. He's in remission now thank goodness. But that shows you, if you can stand up to one of them, they sometimes stop. He didn't expect that. He was an ex football player, rough and tough, used to scaring the sh** out of everybody, grown men included. He did not expect a little white lady to just not put up with it.
I understand what you are saying.
But the thing is - a man like him does not think he did anything wrong to you. His reaction is only due to considering you high in the social hierarchy, so he feels he needs to respect you (as a result of you standing up to him).
If that guy meets another person who does not stand up for himself, he will treat him in the same awful manner.
To many people, all there exists is power. If you have more power than another person, you are allowed to dominate them and treat them badly. In their mind, that is.
You can't change society and you can't change crazy people. You can only change yourself and how you react to them. Your choices are 1. Stay the same and become bitter and hate filled because people treat you like crap and you don't stand up for yourself 2. Learn to stand up for yourself and do so, even though it doesn't always work, but be prepared to stand your ground and the amount of bullying you have to take will lessen, 3. Become assertive to the point of almost aggressive when need to be when dealing with bullies. Out bully them or simply "pooh pooh" their behavior in a "awwww, isn't that cute! he's trying to bully me!" way.
It's better than being a bitter perpetual victim and living your life filled with hatred and jealousy.
You sound like the part of society/mankind that needs to change. Why did you feel the need to caricaturize the principal as a big black dude? You sound obnoxious and inane.
Agree with ResilientBrilliance.
Making it sound like it is your own fault you get bullied because "you could just become more of an arrogant jerk yourself". That is no solution.
It's not your own fault you get bullied, I simply laid out the choices you have when you are bullied. If you don't stand up to them and give it back to them, then how exactly do you expect to stop it? Will signing an online petition stop it, or discussing it on an internet forum where there probably aren't any bullies? Talking to someone in authority may work, sometimes, depending on the situation but that's not always any kind of option because sometimes it's not someone you are at school or work with. There is nobody to tell on them to. Sometimes the only choice in life you have is to handle something yourself and sometimes the only viable way to handle it is distasteful to you, and it seems like this can be one of those situations pretty easily.
Sure, we can hope that people change and realize that it's wrong. We could hope that others will see it and peer pressure would cause them to stop bullying because everybody else would look down on them for it. We can even wish that when we wake up the next morning that whatever about us that attracts bullies will have gone away. We can pray, we can wish on a star, we can hope, we can do a lot of things, and we can wait when we do those. I know, because I did them 40 some odd years ago when I started being bullied and I kept doing them until I was forced to stand up to one. Nothing changed until I changed how I dealt with it. That's my point.
I would have liked to have been able to say "DeeDee, stop being mean to me. I didn't do anything to you. You're being ugly for no reason." and her say "You're right Frances, I'm sorry. Let's be friends." Know that that did get me a few times? Hit. Or Tripped, Or pantsed. Or tied to the volleyball net post with jumpropes and pantsed and left there. Or my stuff stolen. You get the idea. As an adult, saying something along those lines just gets you a denial, a look, or laughed at, and it continues and escalates. You can't talk normal into bullies. It doesn't work. Sometimes they get normal later on and regret what they did, sometimes they don't, but one thing is for sure, in the middle of them bullying somebody they won't get normal for any reason other than a consequence they don't want, like a teacher or boss walking by or a cop if it's a stranger, or a random person noticing and coming over to intervene, or the person they are bullying reacting in a way that will stop it, whether it's something subtle, or cussing them out, or a fight in the playground.
Changing society's views on bullying and differences is the ideal way to make it stop. That takes time, and it won't ever get rid of all bullying. We can stop going places where we might get bullied- which in my case was everywhere - but limiting our lives and our chances for enjoyment and opportunity and living like everybody else does is even less distasteful than "becoming an arrogant jerk" from time to time when confronted with a bully. I don't suggest becoming a bully or using those methods with anybody else besides a bully, but in my experience it was the only way to stop it.
I'd rather have to act like an arrogant jerk to a bully occasionally than endure bullying or live my life in self imposed isolation to avoid it.
What solution did you use to stop it happening to you? I'm more than open to other tactics, but none have worked for me.
What's your solution to making bullying stop for you before society changes?
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20 Dec 2013, 3:43 pm
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Pantsed?
It's when somebody grabs your arms and somebody else pulls your pants down and leaves you there. It's a common thing with grammar school bullies, or was back then.
I tried standing up to bullies once and it made it worse. I ended up looking like the psycho whilst they made out they were the innocent party. They were not.
Sometimes it does but you have to keep up your defense as long as they keep up their offense. It can get very exhausting and very nerve wracking, and sometimes they are going to "win", but in my experience the only alternative is to just keep enduring it. You don't always have to get in their face and tell them off or anything like that to stand up to them. As adults we can just look at them like they are dog poo that we don't even want to step on and say whatever we absolutely have to say to them in a tone of voice like we are amused at their pitiful efforts or that they are below our contempt and we wouldn't even lower ourselves to speak to them unless it was absolutely necessary. That doesn't stop it every single time either. There will be times when no matter what we do, they just keep on and ignoring them like you would a 10 year old being obnoxious may be the only way to get through it, even though they don't shut up.
Also, I notice you said you tried it once. It takes more than one try. My first try worked with that one situation and that one girl, at that time, and that's because it was a physical thing and I was so full of adrenaline that I surprised not only her but really surprised myself. I'd say that the next five or ten times in different situations, which mostly weren't physical, it didn't work. But I kept at it and it started working more than just rarely, it became occasional, then often, and then it slacked off. It wasn't one of those TV situations where the picked on kid stands up to the bully and knocks her down and then nobody bullies her again. It just wasn't as fun for them anymore I suppose and they moved on to some other pastime, or picked on somebody else.
You wouldn't expect to get on a bicycle for the first time ever and ride it without a problem, you would expect to have to practice it and gain the skills to do it. I can't ride a bike well at all, so that's a bad analogy for me but most people can so I used it. Anything that you don't know how to do is going to take more than one try to get right. You might make it worse at first, you might feel like a complete idiot doing whatever you did or said, you might forget what you were saying in the middle of it, you might freeze up completely like a deer in the headlights. That doesn't mean that you might not be better at it the next time, or the time after that, even if it's just a little. It's something you have to learn your own way of doing, and find out what works for you and in what kind of situation and the only way to do that is trial and error. Also, not everybody has to go about it all "in your face" like I do. That's just what I learned because I was taught to do it that way and also, I was a kid basically. I do much less yelling now, and a lot more bitchy words.
Can't we all just learn to love one another, or at least be honest kind decent human beings.
It's when somebody grabs your arms and somebody else pulls your pants down and leaves you there. It's a common thing with grammar school bullies, or was back then.
I tried standing up to bullies once and it made it worse. I ended up looking like the psycho whilst they made out they were the innocent party. They were not.
Sometimes it does but you have to keep up your defense as long as they keep up their offense. It can get very exhausting and very nerve wracking, and sometimes they are going to "win", but in my experience the only alternative is to just keep enduring it. You don't always have to get in their face and tell them off or anything like that to stand up to them. As adults we can just look at them like they are dog poo that we don't even want to step on and say whatever we absolutely have to say to them in a tone of voice like we are amused at their pitiful efforts or that they are below our contempt and we wouldn't even lower ourselves to speak to them unless it was absolutely necessary. That doesn't stop it every single time either. There will be times when no matter what we do, they just keep on and ignoring them like you would a 10 year old being obnoxious may be the only way to get through it, even though they don't shut up.
Also, I notice you said you tried it once. It takes more than one try. My first try worked with that one situation and that one girl, at that time, and that's because it was a physical thing and I was so full of adrenaline that I surprised not only her but really surprised myself. I'd say that the next five or ten times in different situations, which mostly weren't physical, it didn't work. But I kept at it and it started working more than just rarely, it became occasional, then often, and then it slacked off. It wasn't one of those TV situations where the picked on kid stands up to the bully and knocks her down and then nobody bullies her again. It just wasn't as fun for them anymore I suppose and they moved on to some other pastime, or picked on somebody else.
You wouldn't expect to get on a bicycle for the first time ever and ride it without a problem, you would expect to have to practice it and gain the skills to do it. I can't ride a bike well at all, so that's a bad analogy for me but most people can so I used it. Anything that you don't know how to do is going to take more than one try to get right. You might make it worse at first, you might feel like a complete idiot doing whatever you did or said, you might forget what you were saying in the middle of it, you might freeze up completely like a deer in the headlights. That doesn't mean that you might not be better at it the next time, or the time after that, even if it's just a little. It's something you have to learn your own way of doing, and find out what works for you and in what kind of situation and the only way to do that is trial and error. Also, not everybody has to go about it all "in your face" like I do. That's just what I learned because I was taught to do it that way and also, I was a kid basically. I do much less yelling now, and a lot more bitchy words.
Can't we all just learn to love one another, or at least be honest kind decent human beings.
That would be fine by most folks I'd think, but it's the bullies you'd have trouble convincing. I settle for being the decent human being most of the time, when I'm dealing with decent human beings and an absolute s**t when I'm dealing with bullies. How I have to be to defend myself against them doesn't change who I actually am, it only changes how I act at the time.
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20 Dec 2013, 4:07 pm
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20 Dec 2013, 8:01 pm
ResilientBrilliance wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
ResilientBrilliance wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
qawer wrote:
OliveOilMom wrote:
Another thing that's important to learn to do as an adult is to be "bullyproof". An example is when several years ago I had to go to the office at the Junior High where my son was in trouble. The new principal was this big black dude who expected everything to be exactly his way, he had the last word, no quarter given, no excuses accepted. I walked in and he asked me to sit, which I did and he stood over me. In a booming voice but not a shout he started ranting about my son and what he did and when I went to speak up he told me "Oh no you don't, it's not your place to speak here! This is my office!" So I stood up, looked him in the eye and said "Hon, if you're trying to intimidate me you might as well give it up. It's not possible. It's kind of cute though, but it's getting you nowhere. Lets be grownups now ok? Or I can just go to the board or come back later on after you are done channeling Patton." Then I walked out.
Next time he was normal. In fact we got to be friends and talked on FB about his love of building scale model wooden ships. I also made him a mojo hand that he carries every day, he asked me for one when he got cancer. He's in remission now thank goodness. But that shows you, if you can stand up to one of them, they sometimes stop. He didn't expect that. He was an ex football player, rough and tough, used to scaring the sh** out of everybody, grown men included. He did not expect a little white lady to just not put up with it.
Next time he was normal. In fact we got to be friends and talked on FB about his love of building scale model wooden ships. I also made him a mojo hand that he carries every day, he asked me for one when he got cancer. He's in remission now thank goodness. But that shows you, if you can stand up to one of them, they sometimes stop. He didn't expect that. He was an ex football player, rough and tough, used to scaring the sh** out of everybody, grown men included. He did not expect a little white lady to just not put up with it.
I understand what you are saying.
But the thing is - a man like him does not think he did anything wrong to you. His reaction is only due to considering you high in the social hierarchy, so he feels he needs to respect you (as a result of you standing up to him).
If that guy meets another person who does not stand up for himself, he will treat him in the same awful manner.
To many people, all there exists is power. If you have more power than another person, you are allowed to dominate them and treat them badly. In their mind, that is.
You can't change society and you can't change crazy people. You can only change yourself and how you react to them. Your choices are 1. Stay the same and become bitter and hate filled because people treat you like crap and you don't stand up for yourself 2. Learn to stand up for yourself and do so, even though it doesn't always work, but be prepared to stand your ground and the amount of bullying you have to take will lessen, 3. Become assertive to the point of almost aggressive when need to be when dealing with bullies. Out bully them or simply "pooh pooh" their behavior in a "awwww, isn't that cute! he's trying to bully me!" way.
It's better than being a bitter perpetual victim and living your life filled with hatred and jealousy.
You sound like the part of society/mankind that needs to change. Why did you feel the need to caricaturize the principal as a big black dude? You sound obnoxious and inane.
I didn't caricaturize him as that. He is a big black dude. For a while he was a skinny black dude when he was going through the cancer, but my younger son and I actually saw him at Walmart last week and he looked great! He's a big black dude once again and he's happy over gaining back his weight and even some extra pounds. The cancer is in complete remission and I'm so thrilled. We talked for a while and he was happy to see how my son was doing now, because they had been the bane of each other's existence when he was going there.
Which word bothered you? Was it big? Because he was pretty proud of being in shape. He had been very athletic before the cancer and he was tall. He would look down on almost everybody and has this deep voice and very serious face he uses at work. His size was intimidating. Is it because I said he's black? He is black. He knows it, and he knows that I know it, and I don't think he's offended that I know it. Most people I know, when describing someone of a different race will mention that race because if you don't then it's implied that they are the same race as you. Mentioning their race is just descriptive, it's not trying to put anyone down. He probably would have described me as a skinny white lady. I wouldn't have been offended or felt caricaturized. Is it because I said he was a dude? Because he is. He's not a chick, I'm a chick, he's a dude. Or I can be a girl and he can be a boy, or I can be a gal and he can be a guy, or I can be a dame and he can be a gent, or I can be a female and he can be a male, or whatever words to describe someones sex you want to use. I use lots of them and I change it up. Does it offend you that he is a big black dude and a school principal who is intimidating with the parents and kids? Because that's his job. What exactly offended you? Is it caricature to give an accurate description of someone?
Just what is it that bothers you about this so much that you would not only just comment here and go on with things, which is what most people do here, but you had to send me a PM to tell me you commented on my "stupid rant"? I'm serious. Exactly how did that offend you?
It is the phrase and the context and the mere need to caricaturize him because, I suppose the story wouldn't have been whole if the phrase was omitted.
There was no need to caricaturize him. I don't see why you see a caricature when I simply typed a description. The story is about someone who was attempting to intimidate me the very first time I met him, and because our encounter was face to face, a physical description is good to add to the story. I'm simply relating an experience and trying to provide enough detail so readers will get a feel for the situation. I believe that is what you are taught to do in school.
What exactly is your issue with the phrase?
That is indeed a caricature unless all there is to him physically is that he is big and black.
Don't forget "dude" too. You didn't like that word either. What else would you have liked to know about him?
Be a little more original next time if you're gonna include imagery...
I used many phrases in my story that weren't original. Is there some reason that phrase upsets you?
And I'm sure every time you tell a story you include that you are a little white lady.
No, I don't. Most people here know that already as I've posted my picture before. So, it's the mention of race that bothers you isn't it? Why does the mere mention of race in a story bother you so much?
Why not include imagery of your son?
Because he wasn't a main character. He didn't do anything.
How can I know the whole story if I don't know what your son looks like?! Why tease me OliveOilMom
You can easily know the whole story because I've told you the whole story. I provided a physical description of the two main characters in it. You simply took offense because I mentioned what race we were.
Now that OliveOilMom, is how I stand up for myself and what rubs me the wrong way.
What exactly are you standing up for yourself about? What did I say in my story that attacked or bullied you, or even rubbed you the wrong way, so much that you felt you had to "stand up for yourself"?
And I think it's very good that you speak up when you are upset about something. As I've said before, it's not something that you automatically excel at right off the bat. I'd like to encourage you to keep it up, and speak up whenever you feel upset or your feelings are hurt and you will be putting people in their places, and telling them off, and maybe even upsetting them or hurting their feelings before long. Just because you aren't that great at it at first is no reason to give up. Keep at it and you'll be effectively standing your ground in no time.
Yes I did send you a PM to alert you that you did not go unnoticed.
What was so important about telling me that you didn't like my phrasing that it shouldn't go unnoticed? You didn't like that I mentioned what race we were. OK. Feel free to ignore every post I make, in case I mention what race someone is, or I tell you their size or mention anything at all about them that triggers you in some way. I don't mind. If you are that sensitive to the mention of someone's race, I'd certainly encourage you to ignore my posts. I do mention what race people are, their ethnicity, sometimes their religion, their size, their age, and many other things from time to time. When someone could inadvertently add to your distress like this through ordinary narrative, it would probably be wise to avoid your triggers.
So what?
At last we agree on something, even if it is the unimportance of this.
You're rant was stupid, it sure was.
Good for you! Practice is what it will take, and no matter how childish your insults are worded now, you will eventually learn to turn a phrase that will offend the person you are trying to tell off.
Like all bullies and people such as yourself, I'm not waiting for you to admit you're wrong.
Do you believe that it's bullying to mention someone's race when describing them? I don't know what "people such as myself" you are trying to categorize me as, but then again, I didn't know that you were so sensitive to the mention of race or that it would trigger you like this. At the risk of triggering you further, I do feel I should say that I'm not wrong, he is black. I'm white too. I'm very sure of these things. As for moral right and wrong, mentioning race in a physical description isn't wrong, nor is it demeaning, and the way I mentioned it certainly wasn't caricature.
Oh no, you are going to make me seem crazy and dumb for unexpectedly piping up.
No, I don't think I made you seem crazy or dumb for unexpectedly piping up. I don't think I did that at all.
Unfortunately for you, I'm far from dumb.
I don't see how your intellectual development could be fortunate or unfortunate for me. As a matter of fact, I don't think it has any bearing on me at all. For the record, although I don't recall reading any of your previous posts or interacting with you on here, I don't think you're dumb. I haven't seen or read your posts that I recall, certainly not enough to form an opinion of your level of intellect. I don't know why you would bring that up as a point that you felt you had to make, but since you felt you needed to, and may have felt that in order to stand up for yourself that it was an affirmation you needed to make, I'm glad you said it.
Luckily for me it's not like you can throw me in jail for 27 years for calling you out lol.
I don't really know where you were intending to go with that, because fussing at someone on the computer because they have inadvertently rubbed you the wrong way isn't illegal. Even if it were, I doubt many people would even bother to call the cops over it. It's not really a big deal or upsetting. But, you're right, it is lucky for you because if you keep trying then one day you will be able to just call somebody right out, and really tell somebody off good and put them in their place so well that their feelings will be hurt so much that they would want to prosecute you for upsetting them.
As for the 27 years, if that was an arbitrary number that you typed then disregard this, but if it referred to what you may have picked up on from reading one or the other of my posts, that was actually a good one.
Well, good luck and I hope the rest of the reading you do on the forum this evening is calmer for you than this was.
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I'm giving it another shot. We will see.
My forum is still there and everyone is welcome to come join as well. There is a private women only subforum there if anyone is interested. Also, there is no CAPTCHA.
The link to the forum is http://www.rightplanet.proboards.com
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