We are not superior to NT'S!

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Thing is not all aspies stay inside away from people, so that is not a common trait all AS people have therefore any superiority couldn't be based on that. Also staying inside would probably be a disadvantage because then when you are exposed to dangers and potential germs and bacteria outside you're less likely to be immune and you won't have as much experience with every day hazards.

Personally I believe the posts have properly addressed the true 'argument', as ASD supremacists don't have that in mind when they're declaring that autistics superior to neurotypicals. What they have in mind would most likely include:

+ Their own negative experiences in life with anyone. The fact that they project those experiences onto a whole group of people is highly irrational (those individuals may not have even been 'NT')
+ Their own place on the spectrum and without consideration for any other person's
+ Irrational fear/hatred as a result of insecurities
+ An inaccurate grasp of actual differences between autistics and neurotypicals
+ Overestimation of their own ability, and underestimation of others (also stereotyping)

If 'less likely to die from accidents' is a reason for ASD superiority, then ultimately it doesn't look too good for individuals with ASD as the context for that is the modern age, where cars and such exist. An example as to why would be succeeding socially, as it is a huge area of struggle for almost all individuals with ASD. Because that's so important today many individuals with ASD are increasingly likely to become depressed/suicidal (this is proven, not a 'fact' out of my ass) due to inability to obtain/maintain jobs and friends. I could list a ton, but it would be viewed as intense negativity and so I won't.

There is no way I'll accept any supremacist argument, for or against individuals with or without ASD. To quote Qui Gon Jin from Star Wars, 'There is always a bigger fish.'. How is that analogous to this scenario? Well.. there will always be an individual whom has a better 'evolutionary advantage' than another, and I mean that in more ways than one. One individual may be a scientific genius, though they may be extremely ugly in appearance and thus be disadvantaged socially (think mating). That person may have an ASD or be neurotypical, it doesn't matter. Individuals are individuals, they aren't as a whole 'autistic' or 'neurotypical', that only makes part of them. It's common to claim that autistics are 'wired differently' to neurotypicals, and while that is true in many ways, it hides the even greater truth that everyone is wired differently. Yes there are commonalities within both groups, though within those groups the 'wiring' differences are guaranteed to be more complex than anyone could possibly imagine.

TL;DR - There is no TL;DR, if you don't read it you don't read it. ;P

These are ad hominen arguments against their supremacist arguments i.e., attack the motivation for their arguments, and not the arguments themselves.

Dr, Grandin in most of her speeches available on youtube states: "Yackity Yacks" [codeword for "NT people socializing"] would of been "yacking" around the campfire, and not advancing civilization. According to her, thankfully, we have ASD people to advance civilization! That is a step away from saying the trait of non-socializing is an evolutionary advantage making one superior to those without that trait.

I don't want to paint Dr. Grandin as an ASD supremacist. She often says, "different minds solve different problems". However, her above argument, that ASD people are responsible for the advancement of civilization is a supremacist argument.

Do you see how your above ad hominen arguments to attack her motivation would not be effective against her position ? She has a doctorate degree, and is very successful. She is not arguing from a position of insecurity, inferiority or mistaken intelligence.

1. I don't believe their arguments exist in the manner you stated, hence why I thought the arguments against the supremacist 'arguments' suited nicely. From my point of view, when 90% of individuals claim ASD superiority it doesn't result from thinking factually about the various 'evolutionary advantages' that an individual with ASD has over an individual that is NT, it comes from insecurity and misinformation.

2. Dr. Grandin is an autism awareness advocate and related speaker. While respected, she is a speaker, so her words are going to have motivational theme to them. I don't believe the 'Yackity Yacks' codeword should be taken too seriously as a result, especially considering there are incredible amounts of NTs (either social or non-social) that have made advances in civilization. As an evolutionary advantage, non-socializing isn't directly beneficial for the human race, though I suppose in the context of progressing our already technological-dependent society it could pass as something like that.

3. She definitely isn't an ASD supremacist, but I have to say if she was being completely literal with the 'ASD being the only ones responsible for the advancement of civilization', she was mistaking. I don't think that's the case though, I think she was being a good speaker. When she says 'different minds solve different problems' that is largely in part to her visual thinking, which allowed her to excel in her field. That is also a very holistic view of 'different minds', as every individual with or without ASD will have different skills, strengths and weaknesses.

4. I'm arguing in the same way that you are. You're seeking the individual's motivation for such arguments, and as a response I am too - my view is just different to yours. As you said in your previous post, you're basing what you type on what you believe their true arguments are. I never made an argument towards Temple Grandin, only those that have posted on this board. What Temple Grandin says is specific to her and out of context. I don't see Temple Grandin's motivation for those 'ASD supremacy arguments' to be a result of insecurity or anything no, but that's because I don't see them as ASD supremacy arguments. As I said previously, she's a speaker, and a good one.

Because you're viewing what I post with your notion of the ASD supremacy arguments, my arguments are going to appear ad hominem from your perspective, though from mine they make complete sense based on what I've perceived on this forum.

Neurotypicals love to suppress all technological advances. The reasoning of the neurotypical is that if this new technology is so good why isn't everyone using this new technology. The reason why people don't use new technology is that it takes years for the neurotypical to accept the new technology because the neurotypical has the wait and see attitude of public acceptance.

Autistics on the other hand accept technological breakthroughs based on the merit of the new technology regardless of whether or not the technology has been accepted by the neurotypical. This makes autistics vastly superior to the neurotypical.

Unfortunately it is not politically correct to be superior. Neurodiversity will never work because neurodiversity argues that it is just as valid to suppress technology as it is to go forward with technology.

I'm sorry but all autistics are geniuses? I may as well state that we could survive a day on Mars without any protective gear. Thank you for making me laugh with the 'Neurotypicals are too jealous to admit it' though.



Where is your proof for all of this? Why can you magically speak for neurotypicals?

To me it sounds like you're pumping enough imaginary information so vigorously out your ass that I may aswell think of you as a troll.


Insecurity, prejudice and misinformation.. all of which are obviously present here along with much more. I'm not going to be fake and pretend to react to statements such as those above kindly. I don't care if I receive a warning for any reply to a post such as those.. so be it. They are disgusting. I've lived my whole life been unfairly judged (like most on this board have) on the premises of difference and I won't let it slip by.

Of course neurotypicals eventually accept new technology. Neurotypicals are not the Amish. What I am saying is that neurotypicals lag behind with technological advancements because neurotypicals wait for public acceptance of the new technology before they will adopt it. Autistics on the otherhand are the early adopters of new technology.

Take for example the gas turbine powered automobile. If it were up to us autistics we would have been driving these cars years ago but unfortunately we are still waiting.

Yes and if it were up to autistics everyone in the world would go to sleep at 9pm precisely leaving nothing functioning overnight. If someone failed to sleep before 9:01pm they would have a meltdown and cause others with auditory hypersensitivity to wake up and have meltdowns themselves. The world would then plummet into chaos. Neurotypicals are therefore superior to autistics.

That's a hypothetical, stereotypical/generalizing & highly exaggerated false scenario that I created, just as yours is.

Hypersensitivity is nothing to be ashamed of. My hypersensitivity makes me an excellent home theater buff. I hate these old crummy analog televisions that are riddled with black scan lines. Its like trying to look through a set of venetian blinds. Those old televisions flicker like crazy and ever time there is motion it looks like something went through a slicer dicer.

Yes, I have this complaint with people who assume my intellect means I think I'm better than them. Far from it, I envy the simple but progressing life most people live - and that's with the problems that go with it. So, no I don't think I'm superior at all. Yeah, I'm intelligent sure, but what would I be without that?

So why don't you just dumb down the conversation so people won't think that you are better than them?

What are you even talking about? It would seem people in general love new technology...everyone's got their smart phones, ipads, everyone has to have the newest video game system ect....its called consumerism neurotypicals and autistics take part in that. I myself am fine with a non-smart phone and I don't want an I-pad i am fine accessing the internet on my laptop I don't need some touch screen thing...but that has nothing to do with me being autistic or not. Also autistics are hardly responsible for all the technological advances throughout history till now.

Neurodiversity doesn't argue anything about technology, its about accepting that different peoples minds work differently...so acknowledging autistic peoples brains work different than neurotypical peoples brains though there is certainly much more than autistic and neurotypical...people with ADHD, Dyslexia and all kinds of other conditions stray from neurotypical as well. But of course part of it is accepting neurotypicals have validity in the world to...which they do. Your us vs them thinking is quite flawed to say the least.

Concerning smart phones I was talking to a neurotypical family member about the new Samsung Galaxy Note 3 smart phone with ultra-high definition 4K video capture and the response I get from him is that if ultra-high definition video is so great why doesn't every company offer it. He just could not believe that Apple sells obsolete cell phones. Unfortunately Apple denounced the eccentric billionaire Jim Jannard as insane and Apple will not support ultra-high definition video. After denouncing the eccentric billionaire Apple bashes Samsung because they are a Korean company.

I'm never anything but myself. I don't consider it a personal problem, but I do consider it theirs. I know 'regular' smart people who say the same, and that they are just happier being themselves than faking it.

Personally I consider that if NT's thought like us, then the world would be a better place.

That is just my own opinion.

Oh I see, it's the whole Android vs Apple debate.

So, one NT has an opinion and you think this relates to all NT's as a whole? I actually don't buy the latest technological advancement at first. Usually it has to do with affording it but I might be fine with my older product. Sometimes I'm just slow to update.

My Android phone has high def video which I hardly use. To be honest I prefer the clean looking App Store to the disorganization of Google Play and I don't trust downloading the apps to my phone. I'm getting an iPhone 5 as soon as I can afford it and actually remember to.