Page 5 of 11 [ 171 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 ... 11  Next


Were you aware before now that some people gather information from forums like this one so they can pretend to have ASD/Aspergers?
No 67%  67%  [ 44 ]
Yes 33%  33%  [ 22 ]
Total votes : 66

mikassyna
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 4 Feb 2013
Age: 52
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,319
Location: New York, NY

19 Mar 2014, 12:53 pm

Dillogic wrote:
Some people read up and self-diagnose themselves (mainly because they like the nice positive spin some articles use), not realizing that they most likely don't have it if they're married/social and working like anyone else -- these people also get a tentative diagnosis for said disorder when they really shouldn't (often with saying that they were worst when younger -- well, if you've improved to be functionally normal now, you don't have the disorder anymore). This is manipulation too.


I have to disagree here.
My son is certainly on the spectrum. He has, with many therapies, reduced many of his more disabling behaviors. He still tests positive for ASD with the ADOS. With the proper supports, he functions very well in an integrated classroom among Gen Ed students. He went through intense Early Intervention and is doing very well (relatively speaking). Many people who meet him have no idea he is ASD until they really see him over an extended period of time, catch him in a meltdown, or generally know what subtle things to look for in a mild ASD case. I do have high hopes for him achieving his dreams of having a job and getting married one day, and he does have friends and like having friends in whatever context that means to him. No matter what he accomplishes in life, he will always be neurologically different in the way he may have to work harder to figure out strategies in order to manage his life. Does that mean he has never really been ASD? The ability to get married does not automatically mean that one will not have a tremendously difficult time keeping the marriage healthy or intact. In college he may find that he will not be able to concentrate in a crowded auditorium, and that is something he may need an accommodation for, but it would certainly not be as a manipulative tactic.

As to myself, I tend to notice that in times of stress my impaired thinking and odd or perseverative behaviors become more manifest. I manage to function, hold a job, be married, raise kids and everything, but I do feel qualitatively at a disadvantage in managing my life compared to others. I am not trying to minimize your experience dillogic, but I also want you to understand that having a very different experience is possible.



starkid
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 9 Feb 2012
Gender: Female
Posts: 5,812
Location: California Bay Area

19 Mar 2014, 1:34 pm

Callista wrote:
Munchausen by proxy by Internet?


My head just exploded.



Callista
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 3 Feb 2006
Age: 42
Gender: Female
Posts: 10,775
Location: Ohio, USA

19 Mar 2014, 2:32 pm

Quick, get some duct tape! I hear that's great for taping skulls back together. :P

"Munchausen by internet" is a known thing, though. One famous case, with a woman faking cancer, has made the mainstream news. I think you'll probably find it on google.

League_Girl wrote:
There is such thing as body dysmorphia where a person feels incomplete because they don't have a missing arm or leg or body part. It's like gender identity so perhaps it's the same with a mental disorder too. Some people feel they need to have one or they are incomplete without it. I wonder if it has a name. There is Munchhausen syndrome but that is when they are doing it for sympathy and attention.
A mental "Body dysmorphic disorder"? Hmm. I have never heard of it. Someone not being autistic, and wanting to be, not for attention as in factitious disorder but because they feel that autism is their true self?... I don't know if that could happen. I mean, with body dysmorphic disorder, what you have is essentially a concept of self that doesn't match your body; so your brain and your body are mismatched, and so you feel like your pinky finger or your right leg or whatever shouldn't be there. Therapy is aimed at helping you deal with those feelings and coming to terms with the fact that part of your body feels foreign to you.

But with a mental disorder, there's no mismatch. Autism is either in your brain or isn't; your true self is the one you have, not the one you want to have. Either your true self is autistic, which means your brain is autistic, which means you should be diagnosed with autism; or else your brain is not autistic, which means your true self is not autistic, which means you *want* to be autistic for some reason even though you are not... attention, fulfillment, community, etc., which would be Munchausen syndrome/factitious disorder.

I don't think that we ought to see people with Munchausen syndrome as malicious fakers. They are doing what they do for a reason--they want to be the sick or disabled person because this fulfills some need that they don't know how to fill in any other way. Some people want to be seen as brave or virtuous for dealing with an illness. Others want the reassuring company of doctors, nurses, and the hospital environment, where they don't feel so alone. Some people use it as a way of coping with stress, because if you are sick, you can withdraw from your stressful life without people getting on your case and calling you lazy for it. (Ironically, the stress itself is probably due to inadequate coping skills being overwhelmed by life events--being unable to deal with stress is, in itself, a problem that needs treatment, either therapy or social services to support a person in unusually overwhelming circumstances that one can't be expected to learn to deal with.)

I can't hate them. It's different when it's Munchausen by proxy and they are making someone else sick or making them go to the doctor when they don't need it, because that's abuse; but regular Munchausen syndrome is something that I associate more with people having problems and not knowing any other way to cope.


_________________
Reports from a Resident Alien:
http://chaoticidealism.livejournal.com

Autism Memorial:
http://autism-memorial.livejournal.com


League_Girl
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 4 Feb 2010
Gender: Female
Posts: 27,280
Location: Pacific Northwest

19 Mar 2014, 2:50 pm

Wait, this is what I was thinking:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_integ ... y_disorder


_________________
Son: Diagnosed w/anxiety and ADHD. Also academic delayed and ASD lv 1.

Daughter: NT, no diagnoses. Possibly OCD. Is very private about herself.


mikassyna
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 4 Feb 2013
Age: 52
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,319
Location: New York, NY

19 Mar 2014, 2:52 pm

League_Girl wrote:
There is such thing as body dysmorphia where a person feels incomplete because they don't have a missing arm or leg or body part. It's like gender identity so perhaps it's the same with a mental disorder too. Some people feel they need to have one or they are incomplete without it. I wonder if it has a name. There is Munchhausen syndrome but that is when they are doing it for sympathy and attention.


I have never heard of this. I had terrible body dysmorphia when I was a kid. I used to compare every square inch of my body to everyone else's, in an OCD-type way sectioning out small portions to compare, and conclude that I was disfigured and the ugliest person on the face of the planet, and that I should die because I couldn't stand the shame walking by people, feeling their eyes on me and believing they must always be pitying me because I was so ugly. Every little blemish or imperfection was amplified a thousand-fold. I had absolutely no part of myself that I could find that was attractive. It was all horrible and disfigured. I would walk with my head down so people wouldn't have to see my ugly face.

I have never heard of the type of body dysmorphia you describe.



btbnnyr
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 18 May 2011
Gender: Female
Posts: 7,359
Location: Lost Angleles Carmen Santiago

19 Mar 2014, 2:57 pm

Yes, some people want to have one of more limbs amputated. One guy stuck his legs in dry ice to damage them, and was able to get them amputated by surgeons who of course wouldn't amputate healthy limbs.


_________________
Drain and plane and grain and blain your brain, and then again,
Propane and butane out of the gas main, your blain shall sustain!


League_Girl
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 4 Feb 2010
Gender: Female
Posts: 27,280
Location: Pacific Northwest

19 Mar 2014, 3:03 pm

mikassyna wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
There is such thing as body dysmorphia where a person feels incomplete because they don't have a missing arm or leg or body part. It's like gender identity so perhaps it's the same with a mental disorder too. Some people feel they need to have one or they are incomplete without it. I wonder if it has a name. There is Munchhausen syndrome but that is when they are doing it for sympathy and attention.


I have never heard of this. I had terrible body dysmorphia when I was a kid. I used to compare every square inch of my body to everyone else's, in an OCD-type way sectioning out small portions to compare, and conclude that I was disfigured and the ugliest person on the face of the planet, and that I should die because I couldn't stand the shame walking by people, feeling their eyes on me and believing they must always be pitying me because I was so ugly. Every little blemish or imperfection was amplified a thousand-fold. I had absolutely no part of myself that I could find that was attractive. It was all horrible and disfigured. I would walk with my head down so people wouldn't have to see my ugly face.

I have never heard of the type of body dysmorphia you describe.



I goofed up. It's called Body integrity identity disorder. I saw a documentary about it and they called it dysmorphia. These people get flak too and people think they are disabled wannabees and want to cheat the system and get on disability. Lot of doctors will not give them a surgery to remove a body part they don't want. I can see both sides. I wouldn't want to support someone with my tax money for someone to be on disability because they can no longer work due to a missing leg but I say if they have a job where they can use a wheelchair and sit at their table and work and can hold a job, what is the harm in them wanting a missing leg? It won't cost us our tax money. I know for a fact these people do not want to be amputated just so they can go on disability. Are these people delusional? Are they sick and need help? Is what I wonder. Wouldn't that be the same as saying trans people are sick and delusional and need help?

I also thought could it be the same about mental disorders. Instead of wanting something amputated, you want a disorder in your head instead because you feel the need to have it just like someone may feel the need to get their arm amputated.


_________________
Son: Diagnosed w/anxiety and ADHD. Also academic delayed and ASD lv 1.

Daughter: NT, no diagnoses. Possibly OCD. Is very private about herself.


League_Girl
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 4 Feb 2010
Gender: Female
Posts: 27,280
Location: Pacific Northwest

19 Mar 2014, 3:06 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xujgH_C2q8[/youtube]


_________________
Son: Diagnosed w/anxiety and ADHD. Also academic delayed and ASD lv 1.

Daughter: NT, no diagnoses. Possibly OCD. Is very private about herself.


daydreamer84
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 8 Jul 2009
Age: 40
Gender: Female
Posts: 5,001
Location: My own little world

19 Mar 2014, 3:18 pm

League_Girl wrote:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xujgH_C2q8[/youtube]


8O That's so weird. Well, if they get diagnosed with BIID then they have a mental illness which is a disability and their desire to be disabled will be fulfilled. *Unless they only want to lose a particular ability......

^
@League_Girl - I can see both sides to a certain extent too, these people are seriously mentally ill but I think if this can be treated without surgery to paralyse or remove a limb but with cognitive behavioural therapy or some other psychiatric or psychological method ,that would be better for the sufferers and the tax payers.



StarCity
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 5 Sep 2013
Age: 50
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,141
Location: England, UK

19 Mar 2014, 3:58 pm

Waterfalls wrote:
StarCity wrote:
Today I was informed by a doctor that some people read forums like this to gather information so that they can pretend to have ASD/Aspergers.

Do you think the doctor meant he or she thought you do that, StarCity? I have trouble understanding how this idea could help anyone, and hope this was just an offhand remark.


It was something I posted a few months ago after having an assessment. The doctor was not at all happy that I'd posted it online as in her opinion it could allow people faking it to be able to answer the test to appear as if they have ASD.


_________________
We, the people on the Autistic Spectrum have a choice.
We can either try to "fit in" with the rest of society, or we can be so egocentric that we can't be bothered.
I choose the actor. I observe NT's. I listen to their socializing. I practice it, so in social situations I can just emulate/mimic what is expected.
It isn't natural for me, but it enables me to "fit in".
It is VERY tiring and draining, but at least we can appear like them even though it is an act. Like being on the stage.
They can't see it is emulation, and so we are accepted.


Last edited by StarCity on 19 Mar 2014, 5:37 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Waterfalls
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Jun 2013
Gender: Female
Posts: 3,075

19 Mar 2014, 4:37 pm

Thanks for explaining, StarCity!



Verdandi
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Dec 2010
Age: 55
Gender: Female
Posts: 12,275
Location: University of California Sunnydale (fictional location - Real location Olympia, WA)

19 Mar 2014, 5:30 pm

AS is not a particularly valid legal defense in most cases. It's actually harder to use mental illness or other disorders as a legal defense in the US, largely because people don't understand what "insanity defense" ever actually meant.

The student loan thing seems pretty valid, but that's because student loans themselves have become increasingly predatory over the years, and tuitions have skyrocketed. Student loans are one of the few debts that are nearly impossible to discharge even when the ability to pay does not exist. If you're part of a demographic that is basically 90% unemployed, it's not much of a stretch to conclude "this makes repayment virtually impossible."



Eloa
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 9 Jun 2011
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,223

19 Mar 2014, 6:10 pm

In the past there were threads on WP that with some people symptoms got more pronounced after receiving an ASD diagnosis, because of not masking symptoms any longer, and maybe the same can happen, if someone reads and researches about ASD and self-diagnoses and they more go back to their true self, but then I guess they are being autistic, because I don't know if a truly non-autistic person can truly mimic being autistic.
Maybe in an one or two hour assessment one can mimic being autistic, but this in the first place speaks against one or two hour assessments.


_________________
English is not my native language, so I will very likely do mistakes in writing or understanding. My edits are due to corrections of mistakes, which I sometimes recognize just after submitting a text.


jenisautistic
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Jan 2013
Age: 26
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,277

19 Mar 2014, 6:51 pm

KingdomOfRats wrote:
wozeree wrote:
Hi KoR, what do you mean by groomed? Does that mean he pretends to be nice to get information?
What does sectioned mean? Sorry, I must sound dumb!
This person sounds scary! I was reading an article not to long ago about people who are nice and normal IRL but psychopaths on the internet. I don't believe it for a second. I think you have to be really cruel 100% to engage in things like that.

grooming tends to be related to children but its a term also regulary applied to people with disabilities known as 'grooming of a vulnerable adult'.
its where a person takes advantage of someones vulnerabilities
and manipulates them,they imitate their behaviors and interests to make it look like they are relateable so are more likely to trust them.
they use the grooming to get any information they want out of them, that guy was always asking for info on any medications am on,adaptions and equipment am using,the living situation am in,and the next minute he woud be posting the same thing word for word as his experience, stupidly didnt realise he was doing this for several years and didnt realise was being stalked by him across different forums including a hacking one; was threatened on them and was told am a useless ret*d who shoud kill self,one time after abusing he posted on the blog under a sockpuppet asking how the abuse felt,he was determined in making self feel as rotten and worthless as himself.
it was a bunch of fellow friends on a mixed disability board that looked into this and confirmed what was going on after had realised he posted a sentance of mine as his straight after PMing him.
there was one time he asked a disability forum about severe tonic clonic seizures;he asked how long the seizures went on for,he then went and pretended to have severe epilepsy and status epilepticus on an autism forum for pity.
in the UK,what he did to self is a serious criminal offense but because of lacking the communication to tell people what was happening was unable to tell those around self,and just before got sectioned had actualy been making an organisation for adults with intelectual disability on how to spot grooming and cyber bullying and get help as there is no information for us yet we are easy targets,a irish cousin of mine who also has intelectual disability has been badly bullied and groomed over facebook to the point she went into crisis and has now deleted her fb so we dont speak anymore.
-sectioning is when we are forcibly detain in a hospital/secure unit and there are different levels of sectioning;each section has a limited amount of time attached to it and they have to legaly apply for the next section if the time runs out.
think there are four sections and was personaly on a section three which meant they legaly were allowed to detain for up to six months;was kept detained for four months in a intelectual disability hospital which is far worse than pysch wards in terms of length of stays and what theyre allowed to do when a patient has challenging behavior.
-was given placement in that hospital because his actions had caused a massive surge in challenging behavior,and after being discharged in january was put on a 'after care section' it has a number attached though am not sure what, it just means it has a lot of things that have to be followed by care services and by law cannot be restricted by it;had asked advocate this.
nearly ended up sectioned last sunday again but not due to him.



Wow KOR of that I can't believe someone would do such a horrible thing how do people even come up with ideas for this?

How does it occur them to do something like this? Most importantly how do they live with themselves when they put them up on such a moral high ground compared to you when I read your posts I never feel sorry for you but I respect you as a human and a matter want want you to be happy and healthy and most importantly be yourself. And I understand what's happening to you because I've been through it myself And still going through it.


Pardon my naivety but what is a sock puppeter is it someone who pretends to be someone else?


I have been through people like that too.
people would act all nice and then behind my back make fun of me and or pitying me like saying or thinking I'm pathetic.


People who would act like they're tring to help me be liked who would tell me to loose weight or change my voice or dress differently and then asked me to give the money copy my notes or skip class or other stuff even going as far as as organize my Long piled school papers in folders for me or do my hair for me and braid it or put it in a ponytail or something like that. 
And act like there doing charity or not copying their work or doing their work because there helping me. And I think almost got me in trouble or hurt.


And usually there weren't people around tell me what they were doing Britney did either didn't understand or didn't notice or was desperate and didn't really make a attempt to stop it beyond that .


_________________
Your Aspie score: 192 of 200 Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 9 of 200 You are very likely an Aspie PDD assessment score= 172 (severe PDD)
Autism= Awesome, unique ,Special, talented, Intelligent, Smart and Mysterious


Last edited by jenisautistic on 19 Mar 2014, 7:09 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Verdandi
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 7 Dec 2010
Age: 55
Gender: Female
Posts: 12,275
Location: University of California Sunnydale (fictional location - Real location Olympia, WA)

19 Mar 2014, 7:01 pm

Eloa wrote:
In the past there were threads on WP that with some people symptoms got more pronounced after receiving an ASD diagnosis, because of not masking symptoms any longer, and maybe the same can happen, if someone reads and researches about ASD and self-diagnoses and they more go back to their true self, but then I guess they are being autistic, because I don't know if a truly non-autistic person can truly mimic being autistic.
Maybe in an one or two hour assessment one can mimic being autistic, but this in the first place speaks against one or two hour assessments.


There's an article about this here:

http://archive.autistics.org/library/more-autistic.html

Jen,

sock puppets are extra accounts people create, often to pretend to be someone else.



daydreamer84
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 8 Jul 2009
Age: 40
Gender: Female
Posts: 5,001
Location: My own little world

19 Mar 2014, 7:06 pm

^
There was a person with some kind of sock avatar with eyes here. I actually thought you were talking about him all this time, KOR.