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05 May 2014, 9:06 am

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some of us simply cannot transcend our conditions. horatio alger is a myth for those of us in that situation.


Not with that attitude you can't.

Chances are you have yet to try every treatment method others have shared that has successfully worked for them, whether some form of therapy, or the diet/herbal protocol I've shared.

Until you actually try something different of course you can't expect any different results than you've been getting.


What on earth attitude are you talking about? someone being aware they can't just up and transcend their condition? I don't see how you can tell based on this post what that poster has and has not tried....people assume to much even on this site which gets annoying but suppose it comes with the territory of the internet.


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05 May 2014, 9:10 am

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Long story short. Yes it gets better. Just get out there and live and learn. Don't let anyone get you down!


I tried that, didn't exactly work out...or make things better and the way I see it its not my fault if people taking advantage of me makes me feel a little down, which it has and does. The effects of the bullying and what not didn't just go away after highschool it would have been cool but that is not what happened.


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05 May 2014, 9:33 am

naturalplastic: Eh? You've lost me there.



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05 May 2014, 3:26 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
some of us simply cannot transcend our conditions. horatio alger is a myth for those of us in that situation.


Not with that attitude you can't.

Chances are you have yet to try every treatment method others have shared that has successfully worked for them, whether some form of therapy, or the diet/herbal protocol I've shared.

Until you actually try something different of course you can't expect any different results than you've been getting.


What on earth attitude are you talking about? someone being aware they can't just up and transcend their condition? I don't see how you can tell based on this post what that poster has and has not tried....people assume to much even on this site which gets annoying but suppose it comes with the territory of the internet.


The severely limiting attitude/belief that one cannot do something.

To quote Henry Ford: "Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, you're right."


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05 May 2014, 3:58 pm

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Does it actually get better or do people just say that to make young people feel better? Based on what I see in this forum it does not get better. Anyone want to prove me wrong?


It really depends on the person.

For me, some things have gotten better, in that I know myself better now at 45 then I ever did at 35 or 25 or younger. When I was younger I kind of lived in a bubble with not much comprehension of the outside world or how I was perceived and that has changed as I've gotten older starting maybe around 30 or so.

However, as some things have improved (like self knowledge) I've had other problems increase, like health problems (very discouraging, distracting), anxiety, depression.

You can't go by what anyone says because you're unique. Their circumstances and path in life are not yours. The best thing you can do is do your best, try to plan and be sensible with your money, try to have some goals if you can, and take things one day at a time. Even if "tomorrow" seems likely to be bad, that doesn't mean it will be. Most of the things we worry about never even happen. However, if a person keeps saying things like, tomorrow will suck, eventually that person will be right.



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05 May 2014, 4:11 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
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goldfish21 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
some of us simply cannot transcend our conditions. horatio alger is a myth for those of us in that situation.


Not with that attitude you can't.

Chances are you have yet to try every treatment method others have shared that has successfully worked for them, whether some form of therapy, or the diet/herbal protocol I've shared.

Until you actually try something different of course you can't expect any different results than you've been getting.


What on earth attitude are you talking about? someone being aware they can't just up and transcend their condition? I don't see how you can tell based on this post what that poster has and has not tried....people assume to much even on this site which gets annoying but suppose it comes with the territory of the internet.


The severely limiting attitude/belief that one cannot do something.

To quote Henry Ford: "Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, you're right."


Belive it or not there are things some people can't do, whether you like it or not.


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05 May 2014, 4:15 pm

damned POS puter malfunction :x



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05 May 2014, 4:16 pm

well said, limping2victory. I second everything you said



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05 May 2014, 4:17 pm

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Does it get better?


Sometimes. Ups and downs.


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05 May 2014, 4:18 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
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Sweetleaf wrote:
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auntblabby wrote:
some of us simply cannot transcend our conditions. horatio alger is a myth for those of us in that situation.


Not with that attitude you can't.

Chances are you have yet to try every treatment method others have shared that has successfully worked for them, whether some form of therapy, or the diet/herbal protocol I've shared.

Until you actually try something different of course you can't expect any different results than you've been getting.


What on earth attitude are you talking about? someone being aware they can't just up and transcend their condition? I don't see how you can tell based on this post what that poster has and has not tried....people assume to much even on this site which gets annoying but suppose it comes with the territory of the internet.


The severely limiting attitude/belief that one cannot do something.

To quote Henry Ford: "Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, you're right."


Belive it or not there are things some people can't do, whether you like it or not.


Of course there are some things people can't do. That's reality.

But improving oneself is not one of them. The only reason someone can't improve themself, their health, their state of mind, their abilities, their capacity to do things etc and so forth is if they believe they cannot. If they have that sort of negative attitude towards self improvement, then they're correct, they cannot do it. However, if they set their minds to believing that they can learn/do/change/grow/improve - then they can. It truly is as simple as that.

And yes, I practice what I preach and have made tremendous forward progress over the last year or two. If I can go from the negative place I was a year or two ago to where I am now and continuing to improve in many ways, then so can anyone else who decides that they're going to do so. It really is that simple.

Never give up.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX9FSZJu448[/youtube]

Do you think Arthur would have made the progress he has in his life if he believed he couldn't?


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05 May 2014, 4:20 pm

What happened to you is not who you are. I think people get confused about these two things and it holds them back from new possibilities.



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11 May 2014, 2:20 am

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the point I tried to make but was ignored, was that some of us cannot help ourselves, no matter how much we may desire otherwise. I just attended the funeral of a group member who could not change their metabolism and so was morbidly obese, which killed this person. for somebody to suggest that this person "refused to help themselves" is frankly insulting. no amount of positive horatio alger thinking will change this.


I understand. People mistakenly assume all problems are the result of your choice, thus you "cause" your own problems. They TRULY believe willpower is the "cure" to almost anything, yet they wouldn't dare say that to someone who died of cancer. I feel for you, and the person who has died.



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11 May 2014, 2:28 am

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auntblabby wrote:
the point I tried to make but was ignored, was that some of us cannot help ourselves, no matter how much we may desire otherwise. I just attended the funeral of a group member who could not change their metabolism and so was morbidly obese, which killed this person. for somebody to suggest that this person "refused to help themselves" is frankly insulting. no amount of positive horatio alger thinking will change this.


I understand. People mistakenly assume all problems are the result of your choice, thus you "cause" your own problems. They TRULY believe willpower is the "cure" to almost anything, yet they wouldn't dare say that to someone who died of cancer. I feel for you, and the person who has died.

thank you :) it is just that there are members here who should be more sensitive to those of us who struggle more than average, but they are too busy emulating NTs to bother.



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11 May 2014, 2:32 am

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the point I tried to make but was ignored, was that some of us cannot help ourselves, no matter how much we may desire otherwise. I just attended the funeral of a group member who could not change their metabolism and so was morbidly obese, which killed this person. for somebody to suggest that this person "refused to help themselves" is frankly insulting. no amount of positive horatio alger thinking will change this.


I understand. People mistakenly assume all problems are the result of your choice, thus you "cause" your own problems. They TRULY believe willpower is the "cure" to almost anything, yet they wouldn't dare say that to someone who died of cancer. I feel for you, and the person who has died.

thank you :) it is just that there are members here who should be more sensitive to those of us who struggle more than average, but they are too busy emulating NTs to bother.


If I "make" it in life, I hope to help people like you, auntblabby. You are a very kind soul and a great listener. People need empathy and to be validated, not be be blamed for their own problems. I like to be sarcastic when that happens.

Gee, I NEVER would have thought to just try! How wonderful for you to have mentioned that! Where would I be without your amazing intelligence? If ONLY I would have just been more positive and used my willpower, I would be cured! Instead, I TOTALLY choose to be miserable! I mean, duh! Who wouldn't chose to get all of this wonderful pity from others when I'm hurting?

Then, they will usually come back with:

I never said it was easy! It's very hard! However, it will take a long time of trying to get better! You must not give up!

To which I reply:

Isn't doing the same thing over and over again with horrible results either irrational or cult behavior? :lol:


People are afraid to admit we humans have far less control over our lives than what we do. People who are in pain are in control of their lives, while people who struck it rich (in happiness, money, so on) are "hard workers". They are afraid to admit that the events in their life are mostly chance. They also don't want to admit a lot of crappy problems can't simply be helped with positive thought. Then, they would have to get off of their ass and actually care about something other than themselves in order to help them. Instead, people mistakenly believe being realistic is going to cause people to lose hope. The irony is being told you aren't trying hard enough (or variations of it that don't say those exact words) often make those of us who try and fail (through no fault of our own) LESS hope.



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11 May 2014, 2:41 am

nowadays, they call those people "personal coaches."



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11 May 2014, 2:59 am

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nowadays, they call those people "personal coaches."


:lmao: Those are the kinds of people I encountered in the mental health field. Needless to say, I became suspicious of mental health professionals after all of that.

We get the privilege of paying people for the crap they spew! :wink: