Do you believe there are Extraterrestrial beings ?

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Bacteria and long-enduring favorable conditions certainly exist everywhere, so yeah, something's gonna be out there, there's probably even possibilities of what life actually can develop from that we aren't aware of. But it'd be really weird if something from another world had the same approximate body plan as us like they're usually portrayed.

Pure conjecture, but if "the greys" or whatever were ever proven to exist, I would think they'd be our descendents who'd mastered relativity to the point they could pick anywhere in space and time to travel to; think about how we know that if something somehow travels faster than light, it actually arrives before it left. Think about how our knowledge about physics has grown in 100 years, never mind even just a few thousand! Of the four interactions, electromagnetism is very likely the shortest path to take to base such technologies on. It's been rumored by the tinfoil hats that that's how their machines do the supposedly incredible things they do, and the telepathy, levitation and the like, but take all that with a big grain of salt, LOL.

Also, taking a further leap, it likely wouldn't be just one, but a lot of different descendents from different times along possibly (for all intents and purposes) infinite causalities who could visit us for whatever reason, limited only by how many ways we or some universe that's already diverged from ours could produce such an advanced state of us. Thinking about this, the sheer unpredictability and lack of control we have could be why information about "aliens" is suppressed, if indeed it is. Not trying to scare anyone, but "Back to the Future" was probably wrong about time traveling and things disappearing if their existence was pre-emptively negated: if we got wiped out, even by our time-traveling descendents, there'd just be another set of universes where we didn't. There's very likely no reason that would ever happen, unless they were just curious.

I know it's kind of weird/overwhelming to figure out. WoT. Someone else's turn now!

Hmmm..

Have often wondered if these "alien space ships" werent really time machines from our own earth future.

But it didnt occur to me that they might be BOTH things (time machines and space ships).

If you could get a space travel vehicle to break the light barrier in speed then by definition you would also have turned that vehicle into a time machine traveling backward in time. So if the Saucer jockeys intruding on our skies are real, and they really are intersteller voyagers, and they really are taking less than centuries to get here then - they would HAVE to have time travel capabiity ( if Einstein is right) as well as advanced space travel capability.

So they could come from some WHEN else as easily as from some where else. And they could well be our own descendants- the greys are kinda remiscent of the Morlocks and the (the other race-forget their name) envisioned by H.G.Wells in our distant future.

Our they could be aliens who will take over earth in the future. But they lack certain adaptations for life on earth. So thats why they travel back in time to do breeding expiraments on us- to get some of our earth adapted mojo into their genome!

Gosh- you could go in a zillion sci fi directions with this!

And one other thing. If the Greys can travel faster than light than Mork was right about aliens aging backwards so that "the older they get the younger they look- like Lena Horne".

But there is still one problem- to get a vehicle to break the light barrier still takes more energy than exists in the whole universe. I doubt even advanced aliens could do it.

even with an alcubiere drive?

I've never watched Dr. Who if that's what you guys are indeed referencing

Aliens who are legit extraterrestrials (Evolved on another planet) almost have to be totally physiologically different from us, you'd think. Greys could also be biomechanical drones made to check us out from true extraterrestrials/extradimensionals, if they are real.

The "planet seeding" and/or genetic manipulation (like Prometheus, ew) is another possible theory explaining the greys' humanness, that seems pretty impractical, but what do I know. Proooooooobably better things to do with a whole habitable planet than trying to play god to see if you show up all over again lol, I'm just saying.

But who knows about time travel being necessary... given enough time, there's bound to be landmark developments that eventually stack on each other to work around everything we know right now, just like has already happened in our relatively very recent history. Radio waves, flight, COMPUTERS, etc.

And maybe, the reason the suspiciously human-like greys, if they're real, seem to be the only aliens we ever see, is at least some potential post-human society, whether one of them or some of them or all of them from potential multiverses, have embargoed our planet's space-time from true extraterrestrials, just in case, to protect themselves.

Go.

This point is important, psychiatry has not come to terms with the global scale of people claiming to have witnessed or abducted by little grey men with big eyes. The simple offering we have from psychiatrists is that people (even from different cultures) claiming abduction by greys are victims of mass hysteria.

I just picked up a 1st year psychiatry text book and there's a section on UFOs and alien abduction which states:
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" this means the scientific community is placing the burden of proof squarely on abductees to prove the existence of little grey men.

It goes on to say that UFO reports and alien abductions are examples of mass hysteria which is contagious outbreak of irrational behavior or more precisely a "collective delusion". I think this is far too simplistic given plenty of rational and otherwise "nuerotypical" individuals with significant responsibility claim to have seen UFOs including former US presidents, US state governors, policemen, army. airforce personnel, pilots, doctors and even priests.

Social memes can't explain the selection of little grey men with big eyes? almost all of the aliens in 1950s movies were beady eyed and green and had helmets!!

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One purely psychological explanation for the abduction stories' portrayal of aliens I've heard a while ago was people are prone to it because the greys are the human psyche's projection of a human face totally devoid of emotion, so when the mounting fear of a psychotic episode, sleep paralysis or whatever shifts to finding a cause to explain what's happening an external abductor is hallucinated, or even the popular idea of aliens becomes self-propagating.

But yeah, doesn't sound too convincing to me, either.

The (non-fake) abductees' accounts often mention other individuals nearby in various states of hybridization. The actual story of the guy they made "Fire in the Sky" about had this. (His actual account was a lot less horrific than the movie: he freaks out and punched an alien, who then leaves, then another humanish guy comes and shows him out) If this were true, my spin on it would go along with my own explanation of post-human "aliens" being at various states of evolutionary progression and/or divergence being present at the same time, facilitated by having mastered relativity to the point of space-time travel; one day we might start cooperating with our distant descendents.

Or who knows, they could be interested in tinkering with us for whatever reason, and just like us, there could be varying levels of compassion and respect or negligence depending on who it is.

Sort of like us and chimps.

I believe that even the most primitive of ETs visiting us, are as far above us as we are above amoeba.

I think it's even possible there is "god" like life forms who exist outside of our dimension. Oh the irony, the religious nutcases were right after all

I wonder if sagan hinted at that in "contact"?

According to the late Harvard Professor John Mack, many of his abductee patients had common themes
- the aliens are warning us we are destroying our planet
- they needed their genetic material to create hybrids
- they are creating these advanced hybrids to either i) repopulate the earth and/or ii) to come back and help the remaining humans evolve to a higher consciousness...

it's interesting that the very first alien abductee documented in the US media in 1957, Antonio Villas Boas, claimed he was made to copulate with a blonde alien and produced little alien babies...

There are too many planets like Earth for their not to be some life out there. There could even be life on the other side of the Milky Way ...the same distance from its centre & same position within a spiral arm as Earth (so possibly made of same stuff and in similar way), near enough to an energizing star, but far enough away from us that it can develop independently / uniquely ~ our planet's true twin, maybe.

Altho galaxies in our universe began evolving at same time, planets within them might not have had dinosaur or e.g. meteor-induced ice age phases, so it's possible that their life forms have had longer to evolve than earth creatures have ~ and if there are many universes / dimensions, then who knows what types of life exist ...i personally can't help but wonder where the stuff of black holes goes when they die / where the stuff of 'big bangs' comes from!
However, if i was an alien travelling around out there, i wouldn't make contact with earth / wouldn't do anytning to encourage our exploration (/exploitation!) of space!

As for micro-org's, they've probably arrived here in meteors lots of times ...and some weird and wonderful things are occuring on Jupiter's moons that suggest life. However, I think we should solve our 'social' problems before looking for extraterrestrials, let alone extrademensionals ~ if we can't communicate with each-other without fighting we don't deserve to meet other beings, and if we can't look after this planet we have no right to colonize a different one.

IMHO we as a race were never meant to be high intelligence/tech- it is an experiment to see if we can handle low-tech first, and we seem to be failing at an ethical level. I believe the garden of eden story was shorthand for this.

My guess is there is two possibilities
1 we are the only higher beings in the universe
2 In terms of direct communication we are being ignored but maybe occasionally abducted/manipulated?

Since 1 is almost likely impossible then 2 is plausible

I suppose we are improving as a species but unfortunately the majority of humanity still believes i) the earth is here for our exploitation and ii) there is an old man with a beard called god who lives in the sky and demands we worship him lest he send down droughts, plagues or floods...

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either we are not improving fast enough relative to the rest of the universe or we are evolving with too many magnified defects.