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Should this site be renamed to "Our Planet Also"
Poll ended at 29 Oct 2014, 4:22 pm
Keep "Wrong Planet" as the name of this site 77%  77%  [ 56 ]
Change the name to "Our Planet Also" 14%  14%  [ 10 ]
Change the name to something other then "Our Planet Also" 8%  8%  [ 6 ]
Undecided 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Total votes : 73

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21 Oct 2014, 1:48 pm

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Usually, to avoid enforcing rigid conformity people do just go elsewhere if they don't like the culture of a particular area. Not as a "get the hell out if you disagree" but as a simple "live and let live". Many have expressed that Wrong Planet speaks to them on a meaningful level, even if it doesn't speak to everyone. Why should those who don't like it get to snatch it away and reshape it?


Exactly. We can't please everyone and we shouldn't try, otherwise we'll just end up offending everyone. I don't understand why someone would come to a place and want to change it when it's worked so well for so long for so many people.


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21 Oct 2014, 3:07 pm

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I need to tell you that I really like your three-eyed fish.
I also don't care about what things are called.
They are still the things they are regardless of what they are called.
Sometimes, it is hard to stop looking at your three-eyed fish.


Thanks :)

The 3-eyed fish is Blinky from The Simpsons. It's one of my favourite characters :p



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21 Oct 2014, 7:40 pm

We're already getting a change to the Site's appearance, let's keep the change to a minimum.

Besides, if you change the name of the Site, that'll mean re-registering a new domain name etc. It'd be a huge job.


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21 Oct 2014, 8:27 pm

It's too catchy.


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23 Oct 2014, 5:15 am

downbutnotout wrote:
Why should those who don't like it get to snatch it away and reshape it?

How is creating a poll trying to snatch away anything?

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Political correctness is about using specific terminology to avoid offending particular groups, such as minorities or those with disabilities. If the actual name for what you are doing invalidates it, then maybe that says something, no?

Political Correct is a term used to invalidate an opinion by A. implying the person who holds that opinion is overly sensitive. B. Accuse a person or group who are using the terminology deemed by the accuser as "politically correct" to control language for the purpose of forwarding an agenda.
What it says is that it is effective silencing technique. The term is rarely used in a neutral manner.


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23 Oct 2014, 12:13 pm

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IMHO "Wrong Planet" sends to negative a message, one that says we will never be a part of the human race.


Until the human race grows up and starts treating people with respect, we should face the reality that they don't see us as being human (most of them don't anyway), so why aspire to be a part of that big ball of ignorance?

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The proposed new name says we are human and fully deserve to be treated as such.


Sorry, but a new name for a site that most people probably haven't even heard of before (I didn't, until I found it by accident), won't send a message to anyone but us, and even if that message somehow did get out, why is it our job to tell them to treat us with respect? That should be a given, in this supposedly advanced culture, shouldn't it? Furthermore, what makes you think humanity will listen to those that they dehumanize?

Reality = We aren't like them, isn't it time we stopped pretending to be a part of their society and start building our own identity? It seems to me that a lot of people here spend more time being concerned with how they fit into this pathetic world than anything else, and if that energy was spent identifying ones own self, the endeavor would not only be fruitful, but it also wouldn't be a waste of time and effort. I'm sorry if that offends some people but you know, you're dreaming if you think that society will ever see us as anything more than they do, especially with all of the bad media, do you realize how many sheep watch that bull? It's a never-ending battle, one where the cards are stacked against us, and then some. Why bother trying to become what they want us to? Why not become your own person, rather than yet another puppet in the ever growing puppet army of society?
I for one, am no puppet. I have no strings holding me back, I know who I am, and I'm comfortable with it. I'm sorry that so many here aren't.


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23 Oct 2014, 1:14 pm

Jaden wrote:
Reality = We aren't like them, isn't it time we stopped pretending to be a part of their society and start building our own identity? It seems to me that a lot of people here spend more time being concerned with how they fit into this pathetic world than anything else, and if that energy was spent identifying ones own self, the endeavor would not only be fruitful, but it also wouldn't be a waste of time and effort. I'm sorry if that offends some people but you know, you're dreaming if you think that society will ever see us as anything more than they do, especially with all of the bad media, do you realize how many sheep watch that bull? It's a never-ending battle, one where the cards are stacked against us, and then some. . .


I disagree that society's attitude to autistic people (and others) can't change. I think it can. And NTs are generally the more co-operative of the two groups. It could be us that need to be more accepting. This is hard because we are the minority and are the ones who want change. But in the meantime more and more people find themselves related to someone on the spectrum. I think they will figure out that we're generally not that bad.



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23 Oct 2014, 3:36 pm

I think you make some very, very cogent points, Jaden. The only issue that I question is whether change is possible. I think it is, and I think that history shows that it is - (the stigmatisation and discrimination against black people in the USA for example) - but the impetus for change had to come, at very considerable cost, from the target group. It always does. Change starts to occur when matters reach a critical mass point where new ideas start to infiltrate the dulled consciousness of both the beneficiaries of prejudice and oppression and the oppressed.
Mahatma Ghandi and the liberation of India from the British Raj is another example of that.

I think you ask an important question in "why would we even want to be like them?" which is one that doesn't seem to attract much thoughtful consideration on WP, and the people who do ask that are accused of being elitist. I don't want to "be like them" but nor do I wish to see the stigmatisation continue indefinitely, and I don't think it has to. Though (this is an unpopular view) it is our responsibility to initiate that change.

Sorry OP if this has wandered a little off topic although I think it is laterally relevant.



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23 Oct 2014, 4:57 pm

Jaden wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
IMHO "Wrong Planet" sends to negative a message, one that says we will never be a part of the human race.


Until the human race grows up and starts treating people with respect, we should face the reality that they don't see us as being human (most of them don't anyway), so why aspire to be a part of that big ball of ignorance?

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The proposed new name says we are human and fully deserve to be treated as such.


Sorry, but a new name for a site that most people probably haven't even heard of before (I didn't, until I found it by accident), won't send a message to anyone but us, and even if that message somehow did get out, why is it our job to tell them to treat us with respect? That should be a given, in this supposedly advanced culture, shouldn't it? Furthermore, what makes you think humanity will listen to those that they dehumanize?

Reality = We aren't like them, isn't it time we stopped pretending to be a part of their society and start building our own identity? It seems to me that a lot of people here spend more time being concerned with how they fit into this pathetic world than anything else, and if that energy was spent identifying ones own self, the endeavor would not only be fruitful, but it also wouldn't be a waste of time and effort. I'm sorry if that offends some people but you know, you're dreaming if you think that society will ever see us as anything more than they do, especially with all of the bad media, do you realize how many sheep watch that bull? It's a never-ending battle, one where the cards are stacked against us, and then some. Why bother trying to become what they want us to? Why not become your own person, rather than yet another puppet in the ever growing puppet army of society?
I for one, am no puppet. I have no strings holding me back, I know who I am, and I'm comfortable with it. I'm sorry that so many here aren't.


The thread was never intended for the outside world. It was always about how we felt about ourselves. I have also noticed the the poor self image and saw the suicide ideation study that came out last week and it disturbs me greatly. As it turned out the name Wrong Planet is a source of great comfort for most and I am an extreme fringe outlier because it has and always has a negative connotation for me. As for the future having seen the great progress in how gays and other groups have gone from total non -acceptance to a least a modicum of acceptance I can't totally give up on the idea it could happen for us. On the other hand if open attempts to get rid of us happen it would not surprise me. And I do expect it to get worse in the short to probably mid term future. How do we stop our people from internalizing this?


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23 Oct 2014, 5:25 pm

How do we stop ourselves from internalizing it? No idea lol, I wish I had an answer there. But you'll notice throughout history, when it comes to society and social groups, the groups that are shunned/judged/secluded are always internalized at some point, and it's usually not for years after until society starts to listen.

In terms of other responses, don't get me wrong guys, I would love it if society opened up to us, and I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying that society won't open up, especially with the stigmas that have existed in the past, and the new ones starting to surface and proliferate. They have no reason to listen to us, and even though it is our responsibility to reach out to them, it's also theirs to reach out to us and be open to understanding and learning, but the question remains, why would we want to? Our generation is already lost to the possibility, and I say that because acceptance is a learned behavior, often it's one generation that teaches their kids, then so on again until acceptance of that particular thing/group/people/etc is common.

I know I tend to sound pessimistic with this sort of thing, and I do hope it turns out for the best, but we of all people, know all too well what society does, it's just a matter of time before it's something else, and then it'll reach some kind of breaking point (like so many other issues right now) and only then will change occur.


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