I do NOT want to be cured for Autism Spectrum Disorder!

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21 Apr 2016, 9:15 am

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That is all good and well, but until studied and quantified, I am leery. Just because of all the differences in things and then there is that old bugaboo.....placebo effect.


When I'm alone and take Methylone, my girlfriend usually notices it the moment she comes home from work... only by the way I express myself.

I know that Methylone truly helps me with my social skills not because of how I see myself, but because of all the consistently positive responses I get from other people (who are unaware that I've taken the substance) with respect to the way I behave and express myself. Basically, it makes me a far more likeable person in ways I never imagined possible :wink:

Also, I've heard from other with sensory issues that they do not have sensory issues when they take Methylone, and that the sensory issues return when the Methylone stops working.

That's way beyond anything the placebo effect could explain.

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And, being obscure, illegal in most countries and barely researched adds to that issue for me.


In my experience, substances only available on the black market tend to be much more effective than whatever can be obtained legally.



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21 Apr 2016, 9:22 am

Yeah...not going to go with the blackmarket has the best meds argument. I mean, crap...pot is doing it for me without problems on the anxiety, but here in NY, they want to put benzodiazepines in you like tic tacs. So, I have to buy on the streets. Not good. But, there is a lot of fakery on the blackmarket too. Much more so than on the grey or white markets.

But as blanket statement, there have been too many people die from blackmarket stuff....soooo....

However, the placebo effect does not preclude your GF seeing a difference. All it means is that you are 'feeling it' and therefore it is having an effect, therefore they see the effect.

Bear in mind, I am not saying you experience that effect. I am only saying that it is a possibility and until ruled out, a concern of mine.


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21 Apr 2016, 9:29 am

There's more of a degree of risk associated with black-market substances than with medicines approved by the FDA.

I would be careful about what I'm putting into my body.

It might seem to have the desired effect at the moment--but it could also be causing insidious damage to something like your liver or kidneys, damage which might be asymptomatic at first, but could cause much trouble later.



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21 Apr 2016, 9:32 am

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I mean, crap...pot is doing it for me without problems on the anxiety, but here in NY, they want to put benzodiazepines in you like tic tacs. So, I have to buy on the streets. Not good. But, there is a lot of fakery on the blackmarket too. Much more so than on the grey or white markets.


I don't like marihuana very much, but I do like psychedelics like LSD.

Even a single LSD trip can do wonders with respect to lowering anxiety levels.

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But as blanket statement, there have been too many people die from blackmarket stuff....soooo....


Several of my friends have suffered from an amphetamine addiction at some point in time. So have I. So yeah, there definitely are risks with self-medicating yourself using black market stimulants. You won't find me disagreeing with that!

Methylone is quite a unique substance, though... especially for us Aspies, when considering its impact on Autistic symptoms.

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However, the placebo effect does not preclude your GF seeing a difference. All it means is that you are 'feeling it' and therefore it is having an effect, therefore they see the effect.


I have both a different facial expression when I take Methylone and I'm perceived as far more empathic in my way of expressing myself when I take Methylone by pretty much anyone who knows me.

I can assure you that there's no way these effects could be explained by the Placebo-effect.



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21 Apr 2016, 9:36 am

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There's more of a degree of risk associated with black-market substances than with medicines approved by the FDA.

I would be careful about what I'm putting into my body.

It might seem to have the desired effect at the moment--but it could also be causing insidious damage to something like your liver or kidneys, damage which might be asymptomatic at first, but could cause much trouble later.

That's why I am happy with pot and pissed that the overnment is make a mess of it.

It is not:
addictive
bad for your lungs like cigarettes (not great either, but cigs are legal)

there are a lot of other things, but I gots to go see the therapist.

But, my problem with pot is that by buying on the street, quality and consistency is not assured. So, even though pot is not a 'bad substance' and well understood, aspiesavant and Kraftie's points are even more valid because of this.

All of that good is dangerous because it is blackmarket. It's a risk I take. I mitigate it by buying only from one trusted source. But, it is a risk.

And, then you got big Pharma..."Ka CHING, ya blinky bastards"


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21 Apr 2016, 9:41 am

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I can assure you that there's no way these effects could be explained by the Placebo-effect.
Yes it can! Yes it can!! Putting fingers in ears shouting "LALALALALALA"

LOL

Plesase understand I am not discounting your experience. I am coming from the 'let's replicate the effect consistently' pint of view (yes, I meant pint, as in small and it tickled my 'funny phrase' bone by way of being close to point, and still referencing small sampling) .

Stop replying!!

I must...go....cannot leave...too....interested....You shall not...control...me....obsession!! !


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21 Apr 2016, 9:47 am

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Stop replying!!

I must...go....cannot leave...too....interested....You shall not...control...me....obsession!! !


Obsessive-compulsive tendencies are also reduced by Methylone. :wink:



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21 Apr 2016, 9:50 am

LOL....Mr Zkydz has to get somewhere!



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21 Apr 2016, 9:57 am

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LOL....Mr Zkydz has to get somewhere!


I totally relate ! !

I can't keep track of the many times I ended up being late at an appointment because I was distracted by.... pretty much anything that "needed" my attention at the time.

Those obsessive-compulsive tendencies can get pretty damn frustrating at times. Yet, they also help me hyperfocus when I'm working.

Like many ASS traits, it's a double-edged sword that I don't regret having (even though it can be damn annoying sometimes)... which kinda brings us back on topic :wink:



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21 Apr 2016, 10:28 am

Why do people think that if I got "cured" all my problems would disappear? And why is being social such a huge deal? Maybe I don't want to be social because it's the most overrated thing ever. Maybe I think society is so stupid I want to avoid it as much as possible. Maybe I don't want to lose interest in all the things that make me happy.

No, I don't want to be "cured" because that would be like using mind-rape to erase my personality just because there are things about it society doesn't like. Also, I'm left-handed. I am proud to be sinister. :twisted:



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21 Apr 2016, 10:41 am

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Why do people think that if I got "cured" all my problems would disappear? And why is being social such a huge deal? Maybe I don't want to be social because it's the most overrated thing ever. Maybe I think society is so stupid I want to avoid it as much as possible. Maybe I don't want to lose interest in all the things that make me happy.

No, I don't want to be "cured" because that would be like using mind-rape to erase my personality just because there are things about it society doesn't like. Also, I'm left-handed. I am proud to be sinister. :twisted:


Amen, sister!



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21 Apr 2016, 11:24 am

lostonearth35 wrote:
Why do people think that if I got "cured" all my problems would disappear? And why is being social such a huge deal? Maybe I don't want to be social because it's the most overrated thing ever. Maybe I think society is so stupid I want to avoid it as much as possible. Maybe I don't want to lose interest in all the things that make me happy.

No, I don't want to be "cured" because that would be like using mind-rape to erase my personality just because there are things about it society doesn't like. Also, I'm left-handed. I am proud to be sinister. :twisted:


Preach it!! !! !! !!



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21 Apr 2016, 1:34 pm

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Why do people think that if I got "cured" all my problems would disappear? And why is being social such a huge deal? Maybe I don't want to be social because it's the most overrated thing ever. Maybe I think society is so stupid I want to avoid it as much as possible. Maybe I don't want to lose interest in all the things that make me happy.

No, I don't want to be "cured" because that would be like using mind-rape to erase my personality just because there are things about it society doesn't like. Also, I'm left-handed. I am proud to be sinister. :twisted:

Too much to quote!! AUUUGGGHHHHH

But I quoted this to start because I have a few inputs....this should surprise no one.....

1.) yep...I got 'cured' of cocaine (ok, there is no cure, but follow me because that was a major destructive force in my life), but it did not make my problems go away. I am no longer on meds for depression. But, the problems are not going away.

2.) Well, being social is a huge deal for me because it's crippled and destroyed my life and career many times. It really does make a difference.

On the personal side, imagine being on a blind date. You just meet for coffee. She is so taken with you that she wants to extend it to dinner. She knows you have no money and pays for the cab and restaurant. Then you eat for two hours and chat. THEN she invites you to her place after 4 hours of stuff. Annnnnnnnd, you blow it because you can't put together that you just got wined and dined and taken to the house, and then kicked out because you just can't make connections. We went from holding hands (she would grab mine) Arm in arm, all that movie crap you see to getting pushed out the door and no goodnight kiss or anything. I just blabbed and blabbed and tangential and stupid and ....well, you get the idea. That is my every interaction with everybody in my life.

So, yeah, I would like to be able to be more social. That way when I DO want it, I can do it well.

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Obsessive-compulsive tendencies are also reduced by Methylone. :wink:
hahahaha I see what you did there...I see you....(Oh crap, my mind is doing the gay waiter from 2 broke girls with the "I see you"...when, or if, will I be able to just have my own mind without having to use everybody else's words to fill my inabilities?)Nyuck nyuck nycuk....

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I can't keep track of the many times I ended up being late at an appointment because I was distracted by.... pretty much anything that "needed" my attention at the time.
Makes me crazy. I am a punctuality freak. I really only have a few obsessions. I gots one on da fingers I have to do every once in a while and when done, in a certain order and pattern. But, punctuality is really bad for me. I live by this credo when it comes to appointments: If you're early, you're on time. If you're on time, you're late.

But, I agree, I find that the things I can do because of this to be very rewarding. That hyper focus thing is my most fun times in my life. Better than sex. Just lasts longer and I don't have to worry about another person.


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22 Apr 2016, 11:36 pm

I can't be cured of autism any more than I can be cured of having blue eyes. Autism is a part of me, I was born with autism. If somehow someone waved a magic wand and cured me of autism, I wouldn't be me any longer. I don't want to be "cured." I like having intense interests, I like the option of not having to look anyone in the eye when they speak. Sometimes I even like stimming. My senses are very sharp and that works in many situations, such as going to the symphony. The music flowing in my ears is amazing.



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23 Apr 2016, 9:35 am

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I can't be cured of autism any more than I can be cured of having blue eyes. Autism is a part of me, I was born with autism. If somehow someone waved a magic wand and cured me of autism, I wouldn't be me any longer. I don't want to be "cured." I like having intense interests, I like the option of not having to look anyone in the eye when they speak. Sometimes I even like stimming. My senses are very sharp and that works in many situations, such as going to the symphony. The music flowing in my ears is amazing.


I enjoy sensory stimulation too, especially when I listen to showtunes and orchestral pieces (like soundtrack music) among others.