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16 Jan 2016, 8:51 pm

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I have noticed some people on this site referring to some/many/most/all NTs as dumb, unable or unwilling to think for themselves, wanting to fit in at almost any cost (which may also lead them to live in hypocrisy), and insincere/facetious.


I think reading some threads there is a misconception the world is divided black and white between NTs and people with Aspergers. They seem to miss there are great shades of grey.

Nuerodiversity in so called NTs is far broader than people give credit. Not all of us NTs are bleating sheep anxious to keep up with the latest mundane fashions...we don't all socially conform...



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17 Jan 2016, 1:58 am

cyberdad wrote:
KimD wrote:
I have noticed some people on this site referring to some/many/most/all NTs as dumb, unable or unwilling to think for themselves, wanting to fit in at almost any cost (which may also lead them to live in hypocrisy), and insincere/facetious.


I think reading some threads there is a misconception the world is divided black and white between NTs and people with Aspergers. They seem to miss there are great shades of grey.

Nuerodiversity in so called NTs is far broader than people give credit. Not all of us NTs are bleating sheep anxious to keep up with the latest mundane fashions...we don't all socially conform...


People are also totally missing that a lot of these "NT" stereotypes don't even describe the traits of many "NTs". There are plenty of them who are introverted, or have intense interests, or have any number of traits we ascribe to autistic people. That doesn't make them any less "NT". It's just personality. Similarly, there can be autistic people who fit the "NT" stereotypes we're discussing pretty well.

This is not a difference in personality. It's a difference in neurological makeup, and there is some correlation with personality.

In all likelihood, very few people in either group come anywhere near these stereotypes.


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17 Jan 2016, 5:11 am

LaetiBlabla wrote:
I just read the quote that i am pasting here in a topic.

There is no "NT stereotype".
There is , in this present topic, a shameful lying stereotype about "What AS think about NT". Is it your daily war to propagate this stereotype here on the forum?

PS : i think your category would more be NT psychopaths. It sticks much more to your profile than AS.


So let's see here. Here, you repeat yourself again while completely ignoring everything I've said again. Then you drag my words out of a forum meant specifically for people to seek emotional support and stick them here, out of context... and since I know the context it's blatantly obvious you either didn't put any real effort into understanding what I was saying (you haven't with anything I've said here, either). Then you suggest I'm a psychopath and... I guess lying about my AS (is that what you think?), when you're the one who is now effectively harassing me in a hostile and belligerent manner.

Help me out people, are there rules against this behavior? Because it's vile.


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17 Jan 2016, 5:18 am

Your behaviour is due to the fact that you hate Peace and want to make war every day as you explain yourself:

AJisHere wrote:
Everyone here (barring non-autistics) seems to fall into three broad categories:

- At peace with their autism
- Desiring peace with their autism
- Not desiring peace with it, and hating themselves as a result

I don't fit in any of these. I'm in the "I'm not letting this s**t rule my life" category. I don't make peace, I make war. Every day.



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17 Jan 2016, 5:31 am

I don't know any NT stereotypes and I don't care either. I've spent my entire life without being aware I was autistic so all I saw were individuals, not foreign groups. I'm not going to start making ignorant generalizations now.



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17 Jan 2016, 5:39 am

LaetiBlabla wrote:
This is your quote and i paste it here so that everybody to see it, because it explains your agressive attitude


I think your behavior is all the explanation needed for my "aggressive attitude". You're disgusting, you're shameless and you are acting like a child.

How about you show the entire quote, huh? Hell, link people to the thread if you want. Maybe they'll actually read it instead of using it for self-gratification because someone didn't agree with his/her highness LaetiBlabla's obnoxious, needlessly confrontational, aggressively arrogant and condescending posts.


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17 Jan 2016, 7:50 am

My behaviour is : peacefully defending Truth with well-supported argumentation , human values and analyses of facts.
Your behaviour is based on anger. You hate Peace and want to make war every day as you explain yourself:

AJisHere wrote:
Everyone here (barring non-autistics) seems to fall into three broad categories:

- At peace with their autism
- Desiring peace with their autism
- Not desiring peace with it, and hating themselves as a result

I don't fit in any of these. I'm in the "I'm not letting this s**t rule my life" category. I don't make peace, I make war. Every day.


(The rest of your post is of same level of general anger and frustration, not really needed to add more here)



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17 Jan 2016, 8:23 am

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My behaviour is : peacefully defending Truth with well-supported argumentation.....

Did I miss the 'well supported argumentation'?


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17 Jan 2016, 9:37 am

Sometimes, it's not worth arguing with somebody. It's obvious that certain people have their own take on things, and will not be persuaded that some other take is the truth, even if that take is staring that somebody in the face.



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17 Jan 2016, 10:11 am

LaetiBlabla wrote:
http://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=303851

I took a look. Not sure where the peace part comes in when the opening statement is aimed at people pretending to be on the spectrum and doing so specifically to propagate harmful stereotypes (Your words "...sole aim is propagating a wrong image of the Autistic people."
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This is simply to share with you that i "strongly suspect" that some people in "general discussions", pretend (in more / or less hidden ways) that they are on the Autistic Spectrum, but they are not. Their sole aim is propagating a wrong image of the Autistic people.

So, starting out a conversation with an accusation is the opposite of the peace you say you want.
And this is a bit of creating a self fulfilling prophesy
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....demanding too much energy to respond to their infinite anger

If you start out with an accusation, wouldn't it be logical to expect some sort of push back? And then to further accuse people of having infinite anger is not going to garner even more push back? Especially from people that are high functioning? Those that 'appear normal' to a degree, but stand apart and don't know why are possibly the people you feel are "pretending".

Why would anybody pretend to be Autistic to any degree? What is the benefit? There may be those who want to scam the system for whatever reason. But, I am not one of them. And, I am one who would not be taken for autistic for the most part. But when the Aspie comes out, it comes out in force. It's harmed my career, it's harmed my personal relationships and it's harmed my perception of self. It's subtle in its destructive force.

And, I am not going to give in and be peaceful about it. I will seek every opportunity to improve my life and wage war on this situation. Not on the people. But I will not give in to this and just say "so what?" just to be peaceful.

And finally, what is the perceived purpose of 'pretending to be Autistic'? What is the perceived purpose of propagating a wrong image of Autistic people?


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17 Jan 2016, 10:44 am

zkydz wrote:
LaetiBlabla wrote:
My behaviour is : peacefully defending Truth with well-supported argumentation...
Did I miss the 'well supported argumentation'?
You can't miss what was never there.



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17 Jan 2016, 10:50 am

LaetiBlabla wrote:
... No NT or AS have any of those thoughts, i'm sorry.
Evidence, please? Include sample size, statistical analysis, and vetted data of the appropriate form. Also, please explain the process by which you are privy to the thoughts of anyone other than yourself.

Sweeping generalizations such as yours have little or no merit in the public debate, and serve only to distract attention, provoke anger, and derail threads into conversations that have little or nothing to do with the thread's stated purpose.



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17 Jan 2016, 12:52 pm

LaetiBlabla wrote:
My behaviour is : peacefully defending Truth with well-supported argumentation , human values and analyses of facts.
Your behaviour is based on anger. You hate Peace and want to make war every day as you explain yourself:

AJisHere wrote:
Everyone here (barring non-autistics) seems to fall into three broad categories:

- At peace with their autism
- Desiring peace with their autism
- Not desiring peace with it, and hating themselves as a result

I don't fit in any of these. I'm in the "I'm not letting this s**t rule my life" category. I don't make peace, I make war. Every day.


(The rest of your post is of same level of general anger and frustration, not really needed to add more here)


A link to the thread, since Laeti seems hellbent on misrepresenting me: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=303549

It's quite clear when I talk about "making war" there, I'm referring to my autism and nobody else's. What I mean by "making war" is also thoroughly explained. Give it a look if you want, folks.

At this point I can only assume malice on Laeti's part. I don't think the level of incompetence this behavior would require is believable. Anyway, Laeti has been hostile, rude and disrespectful through this entire thread and now carried it into other threads I've posted in.

kraftiekortie wrote:
Sometimes, it's not worth arguing with somebody. It's obvious that certain people have their own take on things, and will not be persuaded that some other take is the truth, even if that take is staring that somebody in the face.


That was my thought, but I'm put in a position where I have to defend myself from attacks on my character. We're way beyond "truth", now.


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17 Jan 2016, 1:42 pm

[Moderating]
This thread seems to have been derailed by personal attacks. PMs are going out.

Just a quick reminder that all members are required to follow the rules: viewtopic.php?t=12459

Among the rules that we are obliged to follow is a prohibition against personal attacks, a prohibition against offensive content and a prohibition against purposely causing conflict with other members.

To be explicitly clear, those prohibitions would include calling other members liars, attacking their personal motives and character rather than the content of their arguments and reposting or referencing content from the Haven in other forums.

Hopefully, this warning and related PMs will permit the thread to continue on topic.



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17 Jan 2016, 4:04 pm

Adamantium wrote:
[Moderating]
This thread seems to have been derailed by personal attacks. PMs are going out.

Just a quick reminder that all members are required to follow the rules: viewtopic.php?t=12459

Among the rules that we are obliged to follow is a prohibition against personal attacks, a prohibition against offensive content and a prohibition against purposely causing conflict with other members.

To be explicitly clear, those prohibitions would include calling other members liars, attacking their personal motives and character rather than the content of their arguments and reposting or referencing content from the Haven in other forums.

Hopefully, this warning and related PMs will permit the thread to continue on topic.


This post is not from a "Moderator", if you look at the user's post, you realize that it is not more than a post from a user like any user.
I regret to have been bullied on this thread, but it is AS every day life, it is what often happens when you say the Truth.
But i said what i think, and that, i do not regret. i do not need to say more.