Do you think that virginia Tech killer Cho Seu was an Aspie?

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18 Apr 2007, 7:08 am

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I should say that it is not easy to be an Asian and live in the Western world. I'm Asian and I'm proud of it, but at times I did feel that I wished I was not who I were. I have been seriously depressed, and I do admit it is partly related to identity issues and difficulty fitting into the society which might have been intensified because of my Asian background and autistic tendencies. But inspite of all that I appreciate being an Asian as there is beauty to it as there is beauty in belonging to any kind of race or ethnicity. And I would not exchange my ethnic background with anything else, as I feel it is a part of me, unique and valuable.

I have Asian background and I did indepth study in Asian culture and I can't find any evidence that killing or killing oneself or "going Berserk" or "psycopathic rage" is "normal" in Asian culture...
Also, I don't think we can make assumptions about what this person wanted or thought or what his dreams were or his past...

I would say the biggest reason for this awful incident cannot be explained by any kind of lable. Aspie or Asian or loner or whatever...The main reason seems to be uncontrolled anger...
Things could have been different if adequate intervention was made...Or if he had reached out for help...It is just awful that something like this happened...It is disturbing and depressing.

There is NOTHING psychopathic about being Asian, ignore the bozo who said that. Cho Seung-Hui was an immigrant who had a green card and had lived for 15 years in the States. He majored in English so he was not your typical just off the aircraft linguistically challenged hoping to score a green card immigrant. By all accounts, one could say that Cho was an American. Heck, his girlfriend was white. And apparently, his rage began after a quarrel with his girlfriend over allegations of infidelity.

It is a raw deal to be the son of Asian immigrants to the United States. Like many immigrants, his parents ran their own small business, a Laundromat in Virginia. It is not healthy for a young man to find himself at the bottom of the pecking order just because his parents wash clothes for the community. I have no doubts that autistic or not, Cho was bullied in school. Practically all Asian Americans I have met were. And going to Virginia Tech must have been a disappointment to his parents who value scholastic achievement (narrowly defined) above all else. His sister went to Princeton.

Most Americans actually do realize how much pain gets inflicted on Asian men, but they will not do anything to change it. The Asian guy gets the short end of the stick and no one feels it necessary to pass comment. What the heck huh? We are supposed to be more hardworking anyway. Asian guy cannot get a date? That is too bad. Asian guy goes out with a cute white chick, now that is going to be a problem.

This incident is not going to have any impact on the perception of autism. Even if Cho might be autistic (highly unlikely), the real focus is that he is Asian. This is going to make it a lot weirder for a lot of Asian men.

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18 Apr 2007, 7:16 am

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Back to Alex's remark that Asian people aren't afraid how their image is affected.
yahoo news

my mistake. Sorry.

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18 Apr 2007, 7:16 am

Depersonalization is a known side-effect of SSRIs. Definitely some dissociative disorder if not a disorder that has dissociation as a symptom. I'm seeing a lot of ideation in this guy's writings.

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18 Apr 2007, 7:38 am

Most of the aspies I know in real life are quite talkative and don't fit Cho's description. Of course, that's based on my personal observations; not scientific studies.

But you'd think an aspie English major would at least posses the ability to write coherently.

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18 Apr 2007, 7:39 am

no i think he was a terrorist reject.

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18 Apr 2007, 7:45 am

The problem with Aspies is that we tend to be too nice without protecting ourselves with a shield of friendly politick. And then the meltdowns lead to social dysfunction that can cause permanent damage to one’s social standing. The silent, scary, spaced-out character that was Cho was unlikely to be autistic. Most Aspies are perfectly capable of being 'gregarious' in a totally inappropriate way. And not returning a friendly contact with another human being is probably not something an Aspie will ever do. Most of us spend our lives trying to make some kind of connection with another person.

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18 Apr 2007, 8:00 am

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For people with any knowledge of abnormal psychology and psychiatry, concluding the perpetrator in cases like these is a psychopath is almost reflex. However, psychopathy does not refer to the condition of people who commit violent crimes per se. Psychopathy is a personality disorder common among career criminals, rapists, and murderers; it's also not unheard of in some people who commit no detected crime. Psychopathy is defined in terms of personality traits rather than a propensity to commit crimes and other such deviance from social norms per se.

Cho Seung-Hui's personality, according to limited news reports, was in many ways not typical of the psychopath. Psychopaths typically have an easygoing friendliness to them which helps them con potential victims. They lie often and without much thought. Accompanying this glib manner and deceitful, they overestimate their importance and place in the world; they're arrogant and self-centered. Their relationships with others are defined by exploitation; they only care about what they can get out of others (money, sex, entertainment). They are indifferent to other people's pain and feelings in general; their displays of emotion tend to be to manipulate and control more than an actual output of their feelings. They are very reckless and impulsive; they don't pay back debt and don't care if they what they take is someone else's. They tend not to plan ahead much.

In contrast, Cho Seung-Hui planned his attack well in advance. He was a loner who shunned all social contact. Judging by the play he wrote, he had massive built-up anger and confusion from a dysfunctional family background. He of course did show some definite psychopathic traits—callousness and perhaps grandiosity—but schizoid and paranoid personality disorders may describe his disorder better. Paranoid features tend to be common in spree murderers and mass murderers.

You're confusing sociopath with psychopath they are not the same thing. Psychopath is not really used as medical term anymore neither is sociopath but it comes under Antisocial Personality Disorder. People use psychopath as a very ambiguous term that isn't really helpful when you’re dealing with a lot of different conditions. Let me be clear I'm not saying anything that was just my first hunch. I wouldn't be surprised if the analysts had that hunch. It was at that point very typical of sociopathical behaviour.

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18 Apr 2007, 8:07 am

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My arm chair diagnosis of him is Schizotypal personality disorder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizotypa ... y_disorder

My logic: Loner, had Imaginary girl friend, said he could see promiscuity in a girls eyes,
stalker.

Schizotypal is likely a common condition that the criteria many persons with aspergers meet. But technically if one has aspergers it eliminates an official diagnosis of Schizotypal personality disorder.

Pretty much every condion childhood Schizotypal has to be ruled out. Schizotypal Personality Disorder is pretty much disputed as a personality at all but more of a genral condition.

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18 Apr 2007, 8:25 am

The news is saying a neurologist believes Cho had damage to the frontal lobes of his brain. Her theory is that killers typically have some damage in this area. She claims the Texas University killer in 1966 actually had a tumor(! !) So far, nobody is saying anything about Cho being HFA or ASpie. He was told to get counselling, but never went. He was identified as a suicide risk by one of his professors. Overall, he was sullen and had psychotic violence filled fantasies. Not very ASpie-like.

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18 Apr 2007, 8:49 am

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How do they know it was psychotic? Did they say? Psychosis is episode like you can be perfectly normal one minute, and go into an episode then recover from the episode and be normal again. it can be treated by medication sometimes PDs can't really do any treatment.

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18 Apr 2007, 9:01 am

No, I think he was just a nutcase. Not everyone who is outside the mainstream has Asperger's. Some are just sick creeps, pure and simple, and that's what this guy was.

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18 Apr 2007, 2:14 pm

He was reported to play this song obessively on his laptop:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP3yeqkkYBE

(it does not allow embedding is why I did not embedded it)

Quote:

Collective Soul › Shine

Give me a word
Give me a sign
Show me where to look
Tell what will I find ( will I find )
Lay me on the ground
Fly me in the sky
Show me where to look
Tell me what will I find ( will I find )

Oh, heaven let your light shine down (x4)

Love is in the water
Love is in the air
Show me where to go
Tell me will love be there ( love be there )
Teach me how to speak
Teach me how to share
Teach me where to go
Tell me will love be there ( love be there )

Oh, heaven let your light shine down (x4)

Im going to let it shine (x2)
Heavens little light gonna shine on me
Yea yea heavens little light gonna shine on me
Its gonna shine, shine on me
Its gonna shine, come on in shine

Lyrics seem off abit. Lot of these lyric sites are just Fans guessing them.

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18 Apr 2007, 2:44 pm

Cho was at the median age to develop schizophrenia and I think that is more likely than AS.

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18 Apr 2007, 2:45 pm

Zeno wrote:

Are you an Asian male? If so I'm surprised if this is your experience with getting the short end of the stick. Well I admit they do put unreasonable expectations in US for Asians to be smart. But as far as the women go where I have lived women will nearly get in fist fights over Asian men. One lady I knew would have killed anyone of getting in her way of snagging this Korean martial arts master. She ended up marrying him and he dumped his girl in Korea. I always thought Asians are hot. The two Koreans on the tv show LOST are both sexy. I think a lot of women are attracted to Asian and other dark haired races more than they are other whites. I've hardly ever seen an Asian guy that was ugly I mean.

As far as the other stuff I'm confused. The info I heard on tv was they interviewed either his roommate or classmate who said Cho had no girlfriend.

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18 Apr 2007, 2:55 pm

What I don't understand is if the police already had him in detention for compulsory psych analysis (i.e what we call 'sectioned') why didn't they put him on a list so he couldn't buy a gun?

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18 Apr 2007, 3:02 pm

He should have gone with melodic death metal. I've found it to be a highly efficient mood stabilizer.

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