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11 Feb 2016, 9:42 am

I think it's time for some Kitty Cat Photos!



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11 Feb 2016, 9:49 am

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11 Feb 2016, 9:52 am

I agree with the wolfman, is there any screenshots/photographic evidence to back up either parties allegations against the other.

Because right now it just seems like the average argument you might expect a 15 year old boy to have a 54 year old woman.


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11 Feb 2016, 9:55 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I think it's time for some Kitty Cat Photos!


^^^ Agreed (considering I'm a small poultry, that's interesting...).

Each one of us has our own autistic challenges, hence the term autism spectrum.

I have a lot of respect for all the members here and the individual challenges they face. I'm just glad we do have a place we can come to talk and debate our issues. :)


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11 Feb 2016, 10:10 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I think it's time for some Kitty Cat Photos!

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What??? :? :scratch: :salut: :huh:.
Also, I just Noticed their is a Fish emoji. :fish: :)


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11 Feb 2016, 10:13 am

That's a very young kitten in a pouch like a joey kangaroo. Wish he/she were more comfortable, though.



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11 Feb 2016, 10:15 am

No.


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11 Feb 2016, 10:21 am

I mean where did that come from. I found a magikarp doing the flop --> Image


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11 Feb 2016, 10:28 am

<--- Is actually enjoying this debate but doesn't have the cajones to join in.



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11 Feb 2016, 10:30 am

Aww, kittens! I don't know how to post pictures, but I can do ASCII art:

>^..^< A kitten for Ezra, who absolutely deserves to be here

>^..^< A kitten for BirdInFlight, whose frustration I personally empathize with

>^..^< A kitten for everyone else who has contributed valuable insights on this issue

Wishing everyone a happier day, and hoping we all decide to stick around.



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11 Feb 2016, 10:36 am

BirdInFlight wrote:
NO. No no no.
And actually if anyone it's me who feels I shouldn't post here anymore because I am really sick of the skepticism younger diagnosed people express very regularly on here regarding older diagnosed people. I feel like it's me who doesn't belong here and I'm now afraid to post about driving a bloody car or having a job because it means I'm so "high functioning " that eyes will roll and skepticism will fly.


There's nothing inherantly wrong with doing so though. To explain:

That's part of being young; you compare yourself to those that are older. It's a natural thing to do. And you do so without the experience that they have. And it can frustrate them, because they DO have the experience, and dont like being poked at by someone that DOESNT have it. It happens though. All the time. It's one of those things where "it's just the way it is", as again it's a natural thing to do, and not just for those of us on the spectrum here. Chances are... you did it yourself, when you were his age.

Best keep that in mind if you're going to deal with the younger generation whatsoever, because it's GOING to happen.

Now that being said...

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But one thing remains true -- you are needling a set of people that you outright don't believe should even have their diagnosis. That's never going to be okay and you're upset that anyone called you out on it. I'm also not the only one who did so.


This is indeed true. However, people are taking WAY more offense to this than they should. Everyone has different opinions, and even when it's about something like this difficult subject, there's nothing wrong with having different views. It's more a matter of how you ACT when discussing it. And I'll be honest, the way you're acting and responding to this isnt all that good. Dont just examine how the other person is acting in a situation like this; examine yourself as well.

@Ezra: While I can understand why you think the way you do about this, one thing to keep in mind when doubting someone's diagnosis is that doing so instantly means you're making MANY assumptions about someone that, frankly, you dont know. Most people on here speak only so much about their situations, giving out what is, in the end, limited info. That's just not enough to go on.

I've had people doubt my diagnosis before, and it's really the same thing. My living situation is that I dont want for anything. I have money, I have a nice place to live, and I can typically do whatever I want. People see that and assume I must be successful, and have a super easy time functioning in society or social situations or work situations or... whatever.

But that couldnt be further from the truth. The reason for the money, the house, and all of that is none of my doing. My family is wealthy at this point, and it's entirely the doing of my father and stepmother. The money that I myself spend? It doesnt come from me, but from them. They support me, as I know they want to help me and keep me happy by giving me that which I cannot get on my own, and that which can ease the frustrations that I typically deal with. The communication issues are there, the sensory issues are there, all of the autism issues are there, and there was always... ALWAYS... that utter inability to hold down a job. While I dont work anymore, back when I did... I had so many different jobs. SO MANY. And I failed *all* of them. Many didnt last very long. They all ended in disaster. And even nowadays? I live with my parents because I cannot live on my own. That, too, would be a disaster.

But people see "money, big house, freedom" and assume "successful, functions easily, gets along just fine in society". And that's a big pile of assumptions, made by people that simply dont know me.

When you doubt someone's diagnosis, or whatever, you're making a ton of assumptions of exactly that type... and that's not fair to them. You dont know them very well. Likely, your assumptions are entirely incorrect. But you believe them anyway... despite not truly knowing the person and having next to no information to go off of (and is that even logical at all?) And THAT is the problem.


Now to answer the original question: Do I think you should leave this place? Of course not. You're a nice person and your contributions to the forum are good. However... in this matter, I do think you should perhaps consider some things a bit more before speaking. But... that's true of many on the forum really, including myself, when it comes to all sorts of subjects. We just get into situations like this sometimes, and arguements can happen. Honestly, it's part of the experience of being on a forum. And when it happens, dont be so quick to assume that everyone hates you or something, because chances are, they dont. Again... it happens. And then it's over, as arguements usually abruptly are, and things go on.

Now if everyone would just calm down and look at those kitten pictures, we'll all be okay.

It'd also be nice if Cloudflare stops flipping the hell out. Some things never change...



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11 Feb 2016, 11:12 am

I am going to make a few statements and at this point I do not care if they get misinterpreted or not.

While the subject that possibly someone out of seven billion people on earth might not really be autistic has been brought up here before a billion times, it is new to me.

It is a relatively fresh idea in my mind that I have been kicking around.

Something that occurred to me is that there have been many people who have posted something about not being sure if their diagnosis is correct. Right?

But if I suggest that possible some....there is that word again....some....not all....some....wrong diagnosis might be a possibility....then certain people freak out....and accuse me of saying that....all....people with high functioning autism... don't really have autism....and act like I am part of some long time organization of bigots trying to discredit every high fuctioning person on earth.

As I have said before....I have been told several times....in forums....that I do not sound autistic....yes me....I have been told that as well....several times.

To me the idea that because I have what has been diagnosed as level 2 autism....makes me think I am better....than someone diagnosed level 1....totally boggles my bleeding brain.

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11 Feb 2016, 11:49 am

There's no such thing as "sounding" autistic or not. We're a spectrum. A few people on forums like to be difficult and confrontational for the sake of it but ignore them preferably. People with no medical background or no experience of autism shouldn't try and offer opinions about the subject.


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11 Feb 2016, 12:05 pm

EzraS wrote:
But if I suggest that possible some....there is that word again....some....not all....some....wrong diagnosis might be a possibility....then certain people freak out....and accuse me of saying that....all....people with high functioning autism... don't really have autism....and act like I am part of some long time organization of bigots trying to discredit every high functioning person on earth.

Most people are misdiagnosed, you just don't say that to them, even if you do suspect that they might have been, you just don't.

The fact of the matter is that Neuraltypicals can have just as rough a time of it as those of us with Autism, and if believing that their Autistic can bring them some measure of peace, then so be it, let them believe what they will. After a while it will become a self fulfilling prophecy.

Of course if your a Neuraltypical whose had a rough start in life, it could just be that what you've gone/going through happens to tick all the boxes for Autism, and so that's what the Doctor diagnoses you with.

Doctors are only human, and humans make mistakes.


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11 Feb 2016, 12:14 pm

envirozentinel wrote:
There's no such thing as "sounding" autistic or not. We're a spectrum. A few people on forums like to be difficult and confrontational for the sake of it but ignore them preferably. People with no medical background or no experience of autism shouldn't try and offer opinions about the subject.


I took it as a complement and was basically my point in being open about having autism. That while some of us seem incapable of communication on a high level because we are unable to converse verbally and it looks like we don't understand people by our appearance, there is more to us than meets the eye. People like KingdomOfRats and Carly Fleischmann really inspired me. Although my autism is not quite as severe as theirs.



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11 Feb 2016, 12:44 pm

Continue! Continue! Continue!
Real thoughts are revealed, and real characters, instead of facades.
This is why I enjoy confrontation, people reveal what they really think and who they really are instead of what they pretend to think or be.
The social pretense stops too, and so does the support stuff.


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