Board index › General Discussion › General Autism Discussion

What's up with all the hate on" neurotypicals"

Page 5 of 7 [ 110 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next

Previous topic | Next topic

Kuraudo777
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 20 Sep 2015
Posts: 14,743
Location: Seventh Heaven

05 Jun 2016, 4:17 pm

I simply view every being on Earth as beautiful and give love to the whole Universe. :heart:


_________________
Quote:
A memory is something that has to be consciously recalled, right? That's why sometimes it can be mistaken and a different thing. But it's different from a memory locked deep within your heart. Words aren't the only way to tell someone how you feel.” Tifa Lockheart, Final Fantasy VII


friedmacguffins
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 10 Feb 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,539

05 Jun 2016, 5:19 pm

I had a toddler, living with me, who would "lose" a ball, in the garden, to go where he didn't belong -- several times a day.

I feel that most conversations with NT's are like this ball. They have a predetermined choice, and are leading you toward that, incrementally, instead of just saying what they want, in the first place.

It's like reading a novel, or watching a movie, and trying to guess what the conclusion will be. Maybe, I will find out, in the next, dramatic episode.

If I say that I have a feeling, need, or plan, I am treated as though I am pollyannaish, because I'm being too easy. They start leading me away from my original idea, making compromises and revisions. I say I have made my choice, already, simply, predictably, and responsibly.

There is continual engagement, if I allow it -- always to get that ball rolling, and keep it rolling, they know not where.

I don't feel that I, personally, have a problem with executive function, so much as "herding cats".

I have focus and memory, NT's use feelings as a wildcard.



skibum
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 18 Jul 2013
Age: 57
Gender: Female
Posts: 8,410
Location: my own little world

05 Jun 2016, 6:01 pm

sonicallysensitive wrote:
skibum wrote:
People don't have to be Autistic to masturbate in in public or play with their own fecal matter. I have seen people do that who are not Autistic. I personally know a couple of NTs who masturbate in public.

I don't believe I said only autistics do this.




skibum wrote:
And just because every single Autistic is not able to communicate effectively in a manner that everyone can understand, it does not mean that Autistic people are not capable of having a say in matters that concern them.
Again, you're misquoting me.


skibum wrote:
Not every NT is capable of communicating effectively either. So by your logic, if every single NT had a say in what concerns them, the world would be chaos as well.
And it would.

My opinion on engineering is meaningless/irrelevant, as I know nothing about it.

If people such as myself had the 'right' to express an opinion on every bridge built, I would intentionally avoid driving over all bridges.


skibum wrote:
Every single person is entitled to have a say in matters that concern him or her whether you understand him or not. Now as far as creating programs and legislation, and stuff like that, yes, we need an organized way to do that and to provide the best programs we can to benefit the most people we can and to provide proper protection, so we can't use the ideas of every single person. But everyone is entitled to have an opinion and to express it in a civil and respectful manner.
Again, you're misquoting me.


skibum wrote:
And there are enough Autistic people who are perfectly capable of communicating well enough that if it decisions had to be made about Autistics strictly by Autistics, I believe we could do it quite well. I do not believe for one second that that would lead to chaos. It sounds like you don't give us much credit at all.
But you're likely not speaking on behalf of 'autistics'. You're likely speaking on behalf of your 'kind' of autism.

The opinions of parents/carers/doctors etc is just as valid as that of autistics.

My point is: why should decisions about autistics only involve autistics given autism is also an issue for parents/carers/doctors etc, never mind the general public?

Personally, I think your view that decisions on autism made strictly by autistics would work 'quite well' is nothing other than dangerous, narrow-minded (as you aren't considering carers etc), and verging on activist lunacy.
I am beginning to think that it is impossible, for me at least, to talk to you about much of anything.


_________________
"I'm bad and that's good. I'll never be good and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me."

Wreck It Ralph


Kuraudo777
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 20 Sep 2015
Posts: 14,743
Location: Seventh Heaven

05 Jun 2016, 6:05 pm

^If it's any consolation, I don't get what any of your points have to do with 'activist lunacy'. :huh: :huh:


_________________
Quote:
A memory is something that has to be consciously recalled, right? That's why sometimes it can be mistaken and a different thing. But it's different from a memory locked deep within your heart. Words aren't the only way to tell someone how you feel.” Tifa Lockheart, Final Fantasy VII


kraftiekortie
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Feb 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 87,510
Location: Queens, NYC

05 Jun 2016, 6:07 pm

There are many, real-life situations where autistic people (even those fully capable of making their own decisions) are excluded from making their own decisions.

I feel certain decisions, in real life, should be TEAM decisioms, with the autistic person being allowed input.



friedmacguffins
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 10 Feb 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,539

05 Jun 2016, 6:18 pm

Respectfully, though, in the event that it applies to me and noone else, it's not a team decision.



sonicallysensitive
Velociraptor
Velociraptor

User avatar

Joined: 13 Nov 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 486

05 Jun 2016, 6:21 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
There are many, real-life situations where autistic people (even those fully capable of making their own decisions) are excluded from making their own decisions.

I feel certain decisions, in real life, should be TEAM decisioms, with the autistic person being allowed input.


...yet still no examples.

Examples, kraftie?



League_Girl
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 4 Feb 2010
Gender: Female
Posts: 27,280
Location: Pacific Northwest

05 Jun 2016, 6:29 pm

Career choices. One of the cons about being diagnosed with it is being told in high school what you can't do and being told you shouldn't take this class. I had to fight to take drama, my parents had to fight for me to do driver's ed. The teachers were trying to limit my career choices. I was under estimated by everyone including other students and I didn't even need to go around telling everyone what was wrong with me, they already knew I had something.


_________________
Son: Diagnosed w/anxiety and ADHD. Also academic delayed and ASD lv 1.

Daughter: NT, no diagnoses. Possibly OCD. Is very private about herself.


friedmacguffins
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 10 Feb 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,539

05 Jun 2016, 6:36 pm

Do autistic people really do that gross stuff? I'm surprised.



skibum
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 18 Jul 2013
Age: 57
Gender: Female
Posts: 8,410
Location: my own little world

05 Jun 2016, 6:39 pm

friedmacguffins wrote:
Do autistic people really do that gross stuff? I'm surprised.

What gross stuff?


_________________
"I'm bad and that's good. I'll never be good and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me."

Wreck It Ralph


skibum
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 18 Jul 2013
Age: 57
Gender: Female
Posts: 8,410
Location: my own little world

05 Jun 2016, 6:40 pm

Oh, what the OP said? I have never met nor heard of any Autistics that do but I have met some NTs who masturbate in public.


_________________
"I'm bad and that's good. I'll never be good and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me."

Wreck It Ralph


Rundownshoe14
Blue Jay
Blue Jay

User avatar

Joined: 18 May 2016
Gender: Male
Posts: 83

05 Jun 2016, 6:44 pm

skibum wrote:
But not every NT thinks the same way. That is like saying, "I don't exactly hate black people, I just don't get along with them and their way of thinking..."

I like to see people as individuals. I will say things like I don't like when an NT says this or does that but that does not mean that I believe all NTs say or do those things. It just means that I don't like it specifically when the person doing or saying it happens to be an NT. And it does not mean that I hate the person. It could be someone I love dearly. I just don't like that specific thing at that specific time coming from that specific person if he is saying or doing something that is hurtful to someone with a different neurology, and showing that he has no understanding or concern for the differences in neurology. And if many NTs happen to do the thing, I can hate it collectively but it does not mean I hate them. So it's not a us vs them thing. That would be like being racist.


I agree with you,the way I worded it was not the best and I apologize for that,what I was trying to say from my experience with the ones I don't get along with since this topic is about NT hate.That's why I shouldn't speak generally,I keep forgetting that not everybody will know my true intentions when posting.


_________________
"Two things are infinite:
The universe and human stupidity;and I'm not sure of the universe"-Albert Einstein


skibum
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 18 Jul 2013
Age: 57
Gender: Female
Posts: 8,410
Location: my own little world

05 Jun 2016, 6:46 pm

Rundownshoe14 wrote:
skibum wrote:
But not every NT thinks the same way. That is like saying, "I don't exactly hate black people, I just don't get along with them and their way of thinking..."

I like to see people as individuals. I will say things like I don't like when an NT says this or does that but that does not mean that I believe all NTs say or do those things. It just means that I don't like it specifically when the person doing or saying it happens to be an NT. And it does not mean that I hate the person. It could be someone I love dearly. I just don't like that specific thing at that specific time coming from that specific person if he is saying or doing something that is hurtful to someone with a different neurology, and showing that he has no understanding or concern for the differences in neurology. And if many NTs happen to do the thing, I can hate it collectively but it does not mean I hate them. So it's not a us vs them thing. That would be like being racist.


I agree with you,the way I worded it was not the best and I apologize for that,what I was trying to say from my experience with the ones I don't get along with since this topic is about NT hate.That's why I shouldn't speak generally,I keep forgetting that not everybody will know my true intentions when posting.
Oh, got it. No worries then. Thank you for clarifying. I am glad to understand you now. :D


_________________
"I'm bad and that's good. I'll never be good and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me."

Wreck It Ralph


kraftiekortie
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Feb 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 87,510
Location: Queens, NYC

05 Jun 2016, 6:48 pm

Examples: Autistic adults and theirs parents. You have parents who try to restrict what autistic people can do, even amid evidence that they can make their own decisions. I have seen examples of this on WP.

Also, sir, could you try to adopt a more collegial attitude towards me? I like to be treated with respect. You are not a superior to me.

"Examples, please" is not something I would say to you. Sounds too much like some professor I had once. Not conducive to virtuous dialogue at all.



Rundownshoe14
Blue Jay
Blue Jay

User avatar

Joined: 18 May 2016
Gender: Male
Posts: 83

05 Jun 2016, 6:53 pm

skibum wrote:
Rundownshoe14 wrote:
skibum wrote:
But not every NT thinks the same way. That is like saying, "I don't exactly hate black people, I just don't get along with them and their way of thinking..."

I like to see people as individuals. I will say things like I don't like when an NT says this or does that but that does not mean that I believe all NTs say or do those things. It just means that I don't like it specifically when the person doing or saying it happens to be an NT. And it does not mean that I hate the person. It could be someone I love dearly. I just don't like that specific thing at that specific time coming from that specific person if he is saying or doing something that is hurtful to someone with a different neurology, and showing that he has no understanding or concern for the differences in neurology. And if many NTs happen to do the thing, I can hate it collectively but it does not mean I hate them. So it's not a us vs them thing. That would be like being racist.


I agree with you,the way I worded it was not the best and I apologize for that,what I was trying to say from my experience with the ones I don't get along with since this topic is about NT hate.That's why I shouldn't speak generally,I keep forgetting that not everybody will know my true intentions when posting.
Oh, got it. No worries then. Thank you for clarifying. I am glad to understand you now. :D


It would've been a disaster if I misunderstood your point. :lol:


_________________
"Two things are infinite:
The universe and human stupidity;and I'm not sure of the universe"-Albert Einstein


skibum
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 18 Jul 2013
Age: 57
Gender: Female
Posts: 8,410
Location: my own little world

05 Jun 2016, 6:55 pm

Aww, we would have worked it all out. :D


_________________
"I'm bad and that's good. I'll never be good and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me."

Wreck It Ralph