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23 Sep 2016, 11:50 am

I may have problems with imagining my life without my autism. Fixative interests and stimming may look as something pleasant and positive for a person. But they can be socially inappropriate or make you really ineffective, which can be significant obstacle in occupational area.



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23 Sep 2016, 12:10 pm

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^^ Call the Scientologists for bleach enemas :lol: :lol: :lol:


OMG i looked that up. That's absolutely horrifying.


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23 Sep 2016, 12:14 pm

Why has nobody replied to any of my posts? They were very well thought out and contribute to this discussion greatly. Of them the one on dementia often has testimony from relatives of stronger aspergers/autism. Ones who wouldn't come onto this forum to discuss things with carefully written paragraphs. But the risk is there, and accommodation as the neurodiversity side wants can't cure that! We need research into autism as a medical condition rather than a social one! We already have a large aging population that has a risk for age related disease, we need to stem the tide so they can live happy lives in retirement, and autism is part of that risk.

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I'm glad to have it, though I understand those that have more severe forms would want to be free.


Well, I'm very high-functioning... and still hate this s**t and would gladly be rid of it.


You would win more over to your side if you used fewer swear words. Try to offer an argument against the other person's post and see if that can do something.

I also want to add that I envy some people with autism who are born now, they are closer to the future when treatment will finally be available.


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23 Sep 2016, 12:34 pm

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Is mild ASD associated with higher risk of demnentia in older age?


Hi -- I think there is conflicting information on this. What a surprise!

But alzheimer's is only one type of dementia, and "autism" itself has many, many different genes involved in different people, and who knows what else might interact with all the above... Like, does the person exercise? I don't think we can really say one thing or the other.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/aut ... %E2%80%99s

"Autism may carry a benefit: a buffer against Alzheimer’s
...Brain plasticity of people with the developmental disorder may protect them from dementia"



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23 Sep 2016, 12:44 pm

Eh, not really looking to win people over johnnyh.


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23 Sep 2016, 1:29 pm

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There is a correlation between dementia and autism in older age, also symptoms can get worse when we get older. If any of you guys think autism is a gift, well take a good look at what will happen when you get older. You need to take this more seriously! Unless being put into a psychiatric hospital at the age of 50 until you die sounds like a nice retirement plan, you need to abandon this neurodiversity nonsense and realize the real medical ramifications of this very real disease, not difference!


And nobody knows what they are or how they interact because the research has not been done because up until now it has been pretty much all children all the time. All we can say is that there are similar charactoristics. The Autism/dementia relationship is far from the only elder condition the Autism relationship is not understood. Seniors often take a lot of medications. Do autistics react differently to medications?

Nursing homes/assisted living faciltities as everything else are NT centric. Therapy often involves gentle touching. Moving from ones long time home to facility is stressful for anybody but for change resitant autistics more so. And constant interuptions for basic check on the patient as well as poking and prodding are autistic hell but medical necessities.

If a persons life before the elder issues hit was a life of failure and feeling broken these issues will be more severe and probably will occur well before age 65 which creates a whole set of other problems. So making the autistic life more positive and having the autistic confident enough to self advocate should be of help when the s**t hits the fan.


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23 Sep 2016, 1:48 pm

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What do you mean by working memory?


For example - the test where they ask you to remember 3 items than ask you to tell a story or listen to a story (which is VERY SHORT) and then they ask you the 3 items... I can't do it. The items don't stay in my head - HOWEVER after the fact the items MAY in fact be recorded to memory for later recall... or not.

My LONG term memory is forever. I have memories of being an infant.



I don't remember being an infant but I can certainly recall details of events that happened in the past that noone else remembers. I think the working memory thing would be hard for a lot of people autism or not.


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23 Sep 2016, 2:38 pm

Autism is very serious to me, even if I am a mild case. Socially I feel locked in a bubble without any possibility of getting in contact with anyone. I just have no idea how.

OCD behaviours like hoarding are also problematic, and being unable to do anything about it.



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23 Sep 2016, 3:04 pm

Autism might protect against Alzheimer's.
(Conflicting research exists.)

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/aut ... %E2%80%99s

"Autism may carry a benefit: a buffer against Alzheimer’s
...Brain plasticity of people with the developmental disorder may protect them from dementia"

(Sorry for the repeat, I am trying to make my previous post more clear...)



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23 Sep 2016, 9:19 pm

johnnyh wrote:
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I'm glad to have it, though I understand those that have more severe forms would want to be free.
Neurotypicals are a nightmare to me.
I feel as if I'm in Ravenloft (a horror film), but at least I can ignore them - they can't understand that.

I had a girl ask me "Are you ignoring me?"
LOL that must have been the very first retorical question in history (I bet that is how they discovered retorical questions!).


I don't think you are aware you are part of the problem, so am I, so are neurotypicals. The whole world has problems because of many people doing things. Stop acting like you are above the fray, and judging by your post you need to invest more in acknowledging the viewpoints of other people, even ones that are untrue as they reveal so much about the diversity humans have.


If you are referring to me purposefully ignoring that girl. She did some horrible things to me behind my back.


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AngryAngryAngry wrote:
I'm glad to have it, though I understand those that have more severe forms would want to be free.

Well, I'm very high-functioning... and still hate this s**t and would gladly be rid of it.


Fair enough.

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^^ Call the Scientologists for bleach enemas :lol: :lol: :lol:


OMG i looked that up. That's absolutely horrifying.


Damn, now I looked it up!

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Why has nobody replied to any of my posts?

It's not a popularity contest.
There could be many reasons:
People are busy and have not returned to read the posts yet.
People have a finite amount of time and preferred to use the time on anothers post that really lit up their mind.
Perhaps your post was looked over.



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24 Sep 2016, 1:49 am

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Why has nobody replied to any of my posts?


Personally, because I find them to be terrifying eugenics type material that is best completely ignored.

"I have this entirely negative view built on an extreme viewpoint, everyone else should feel the same as me, let's band together and force our views on everyone so that we win". It's all a bit Hitler.



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24 Sep 2016, 3:55 am

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Why has nobody replied to any of my posts?


Personally, because I find them to be terrifying eugenics type material that is best completely ignored.

"I have this entirely negative view built on an extreme viewpoint, everyone else should feel the same as me, let's band together and force our views on everyone so that we win". It's all a bit Hitler.


I am not advocating for exterminating anyone, I find people with diseases the be the greatest victims of them. I am advocating for finding a way to solve the diseases in living beings for their own sake and the sake of those around them, not killing anyone.


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24 Sep 2016, 4:22 am

johnnyh wrote:
There is a correlation between dementia and autism in older age, also symptoms can get worse when we get older. If any of you guys think autism is a gift, well take a good look at what will happen when you get older. You need to take this more seriously! Unless being put into a psychiatric hospital at the age of 50 until you die sounds like a nice retirement plan, you need to abandon this neurodiversity nonsense and realize the real medical ramifications of this very real disease, not difference!


1. Educate yourself about what correlation actually means (and does not mean).
2. Provide evidence if you are going to assert these extremist claims
2. I think you are either being misled in these totally negative beliefs by some curebie outfit or you are scaremongering for your own reasons (if the latter, then that is a form of trolling, which is against the rules of WP).



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24 Sep 2016, 4:27 am

B19 wrote:
johnnyh wrote:
There is a correlation between dementia and autism in older age, also symptoms can get worse when we get older. If any of you guys think autism is a gift, well take a good look at what will happen when you get older. You need to take this more seriously! Unless being put into a psychiatric hospital at the age of 50 until you die sounds like a nice retirement plan, you need to abandon this neurodiversity nonsense and realize the real medical ramifications of this very real disease, not difference!


1. Educate yourself about what correlation actually means (and does not mean).
2. Provide evidence if you are going to assert these extremist claims
2. I think you are either being misled in these totally negative beliefs by some curebie outfit or you are scaremongering for your own reasons (if the latter, then that is a form of trolling, which is against the rules of WP).


PS: I am 69 years old, with Asperger's Syndrome and I do not have dementia.. though that may disappoint you, given the negative myths you appear hellbent on promoting. I am not sure that WP is a good fit for you; primarily WP is a neurodiverse mutual support forum. Suggesting that members will be in a psychiatric hospital at age 50 is grossly offensive. Flaming (deliberately posting inflammatory material) is also against the rules of WP; please be more considerate of other members before you post.



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24 Sep 2016, 5:52 am

B19 wrote:
B19 wrote:
johnnyh wrote:
There is a correlation between dementia and autism in older age, also symptoms can get worse when we get older. If any of you guys think autism is a gift, well take a good look at what will happen when you get older. You need to take this more seriously! Unless being put into a psychiatric hospital at the age of 50 until you die sounds like a nice retirement plan, you need to abandon this neurodiversity nonsense and realize the real medical ramifications of this very real disease, not difference!


1. Educate yourself about what correlation actually means (and does not mean).
2. Provide evidence if you are going to assert these extremist claims
2. I think you are either being misled in these totally negative beliefs by some curebie outfit or you are scaremongering for your own reasons (if the latter, then that is a form of trolling, which is against the rules of WP).


PS: I am 69 years old, with Asperger's Syndrome and I do not have dementia.. though that may disappoint you, given the negative myths you appear hellbent on promoting. I am not sure that WP is a good fit for you; primarily WP is a neurodiverse mutual support forum. Suggesting that members will be in a psychiatric hospital at age 50 is grossly offensive. Flaming (deliberately posting inflammatory material) is also against the rules of WP; please be more considerate of other members before you post.


I am not trolling, I intentionally wrote what I did because I wanted to. I also mostly refer to myself a lot when I say what I do, I am sharing MY OWN worries and thoughts.


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24 Sep 2016, 6:08 am

You seem to want to impose your opinions on others rather than just express them, and sometimes you have made sneering comments at other members who hold different opinions (for example, you sneered at me for being a parent, in another thread, because you personally disapprove of AS parents). No, you are not just "sharing and expressing your opinion", you are trying to spread negativity here in an undiscriminating way.

I urge you to take pause and reflect on this:

continually making a determined effort to spread a message of hopelessness in a community like WP that exists to support neurodiverse people, many of whom struggle with despair already, some of whom are suicidal, is a cruel thing to do, and dangerous for those already grappling with suicidal feelings. Is your opinion really worth more than their wellbeing?