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15 May 2007, 10:10 am

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You have no point.

Why do I not live in the wild?
I find society conveniant and entertaining - not necessary though. I was raised with forest stretching miles out in every direction and taught wilderness survival skills as a child. Woohoo, I could make it out there. This was my secondary point - that people are capable of survival outside of an urban area. That point is blatantly correct.

My original point:
The "being healthy enough to live in the wilderness" was an analogy. It meant if someone is capable of survival outside of society they are thereby not dependant. I stated this in response to several of you claiming we were ALL DEPENDANT on someone, which is untrue. We choose to accept the services however because it is conveniant.

Now.. MY problem is the people who MUST rely on the support of others to get around, eat, and live. They are parasitic to us. I find them annoying. I do not like them. That is my opinion. Now this last paragraph aside, I see no error in the logic of my earlier message. Go on though, I dare you to prove wrong my two points:
1. People are not all dependant on others.
2. Humans are capable of survival outside of society.


I really don't care to prove YOU wrong I was bringing up a point which I did have one, if you'd step back and look at it from a distance you'd see it. I didn't mention anywhere that I personally disagreed with you either since I really don't so don't get so cocky. Objective debate, not personal. Anyways, the point was you are currently using people. Maybe you wouldn't NEED it - how are you to know unless you have done it before, have you been away from everything man made and made it on your own? If so bravo, so have I. Who cares.

In society we depend on people but if you choose to be dense to this than so be it, whatever. Sure, we accept it because of its convenience but unless you're a Mennonite in your current situation you are using people.

Do you have a job?
Do you have a TV?
You obviously have the internet.
These were mad by other people my friend.
As was that chair you're sitting in, the food and drinks you're eating and drinking, the stove you use, the carpet you step on, the house you're in, blah blah blah. Its reality.

Now, I can see your point on these so called 'dependents'. I think there should be a seperate term for someone who depends on another because they need or desire things and someone who cannot live without materialistic crap. I am however failing to conjure one currently. Agreed, people who seem to NEED others as in NEED psychical attention, NEED this and NEED that as if their life were to completely crumble the second they lost it are in fact very annoying yes however a good amount of them can survive without it - they'll just be more miserable than others. The human body itself doesn't need these things to live, its more in the psychology of the person, their upbringing, ect.



Oh, I'm sure he understood your point. But to acknowledge it would be to admit that he himself is dependent on many other people in his everyday life, regardless of his mad w00dz sk1llz.

He is just a sad, angry person. He reminds me of someone else I knew who loved to make sweeping, hate-filled statements, but then was unable to argue rationally about them.



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15 May 2007, 10:15 am

So this is what the Scouts acomplishment badges do to peoples ego. :o :P



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15 May 2007, 10:30 am

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So this is what the Scouts acomplishment badges do to peoples ego. :o :P


Except you'd think a Boy Scout would like old people, since aren't they always helping old ladies across the street or something?



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15 May 2007, 10:33 am

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So this is what the Scouts acomplishment badges do to peoples ego. :o :P


Except you'd think a Boy Scout would like old people, since aren't they always helping old ladies across the street or something?


Ah, but you see that's just a farce, to achieve their I dunno, bullshitty community caring badge?

As soon as that badge is sewn on, them old ladies are road kill :(



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15 May 2007, 10:50 am

I think old people may tend to push our aspie buttons more than others, and so lots of us hate being around them. They're often mentally and physically slow, kind of gross, arrogant & pushy, overly critical, etc. Hmmmm...kind of like us!! :D My AS mom is always bitching about old people, and she's 73! I think some of us tend to lack a lot of patience in dealing with them. I've been helping my dad take care of my 93-year-old NT grandmother who was a complete b#&tch to me and my mom when I was growing up. She never could understand what made us tick, and she was really nasty to us. But since my diagnosis she's been great, and I'm actually learning a lot about empathy and patience from helping her out, taking her to the doctor, the hairdresser, etc. I'm actually in aspie hell during those times, and I can't wait to get on the phone with my mom and hoot about it afterwards, but doing this for her is healing lots of bad karma between us.



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15 May 2007, 11:03 am

Hey Ramsus,

I'm going for a walk through the desert, you wanna come with? No one else (non-indigenous) ever wants to go, and you seem confident enough.... Should be easy for you, since old aboriginal men can handle it....

Let me know.



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15 May 2007, 12:33 pm

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I really don't care to prove YOU wrong I was bringing up a point which I did have one


No, you still have no point. You're taking me out of my context to deliver a message which is essentially EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING yet attempting to twist wording to give a false impression it's somehow superior when you say it.

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Do you have a TV?
You obviously have the internet.
These were mad by other people my friend.
As was that chair you're sitting in


So now I'm dependant on TV, internet, and chairs to survive? LOL! Where did you get that logic? It's as I've said earlier: We use these things for their conveniance. They are not necessary for survival. I assume I'll have to reiterate myself in a future post because you will sadly, again, fail to understand this.

Moving on. What purpose does your message have? You've given no attempt to tackle either of the two subjects I've brought up.
1. People are not all dependant on others.
2. Humans are capable of survival outside of society.

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I think there should be a seperate term for someone who depends on another because they need or desire things and someone who cannot live without materialistic crap. I am however failing to conjure one currently.

In your glorious short mindedness, you've entirely missed the point addressed. This has nothing to do with materialistic items, entertainment, or an addiction to them. It is about people like Terri Schiavo, who cannot survive without the support of machines.. or for another example, someone who is unable to feed without another person lifting the food to their face or through a feeding tube. Tell me what value those people have to society, rather than waste our time and resources?

You're essentially just ranting at this point and throwing around various insults. Then you have some unbelievable view over how we are dependant on ENTERTAINMENT rather than necessaties such as food, water, and shelter.. which can themselves be INDEPENDANTLY gathered in the wild WITHOUT the help of others. You've become predictably dull. In your next post, I expect:
- Another rant about how we're all dependant on society, ignoring logic that people exist outside of society itself
- A second inability to deduce materialistic addiction isn't relevant in this debate, nor what it's about
- More insults towards me to fill the gap where you're unable to produce any argument
- Another crybaby remark about how you previosly had a nonexistant point


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15 May 2007, 1:15 pm

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Does anyone else utterly despise old people..? Y'know, the wrinkly, dependant, almost parasite-like wastes of life? They smell bad, make noises, posess the intelligence of a rock, and are ugly as all hell. Sorry, but I judge on outward appearances. It's the first thing you see. If someone's ugly, I don't like them as a person. OH YES! They can't hear at all.. and it pisses me off. The manner with which they eat TRULY sets me off. And even worse, we even try to keep these parasitic beings alive. It's sickening! Let them go! Anyone else feel this way?



People with AS or Autism can be too honest at times, but this is beyond too honest - this is inflammatory, cruel and extremely offensive. Get a hobby, troll.


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15 May 2007, 1:16 pm

I've known allot of nice old people in my life..
Calandale doesn't like old people either.


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15 May 2007, 1:18 pm

Soooo...OP....do you think new-born babies should be left to die?


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15 May 2007, 1:28 pm

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So now I'm dependant on TV, internet, and chairs to survive? LOL! Where did you get that logic? It's as I've said earlier: We use these things for their conveniance. They are not necessary for survival. I assume I'll have to reiterate myself in a future post because you will sadly, again, fail to understand this.


LOL! Sadly, you've once again failed to see my point in this. Once again you take this personally, once again you're misinterpretting what I write and morphing it into a way that suits you and your ideals rather than accepting them logically. WHERE did I say you need those things to survive? I didn't. The point was you have them. I also never brought up addictions.
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Moving on. What purpose does your message have? You've given no attempt to tackle either of the two subjects I've brought up.
1. People are not all dependant on others.
2. Humans are capable of survival outside of society.


Once again you clearly dismissed the fact that I agree with these in your glorious shortmindedness as you so wonderfully put it yourself you fail to see any reason in anything that is not pro-active to your oh so godly conclusions in life.

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Now, I can see your point on these so called 'dependents'. I think there should be a seperate term for someone who depends on another because they need or desire things and someone who cannot live without materialistic crap. I am however failing to conjure one currently. Agreed, people who seem to NEED others as in NEED psychical attention, NEED this and NEED that as if their life were to completely crumble the second they lost it are in fact very annoying yes however a good amount of them can survive without it - they'll just be more miserable than others. The human body itself doesn't need these things to live, its more in the psychology of the person, their upbringing, ect.


Just in case you missed it.

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In your glorious short mindedness, you've entirely missed the point addressed. This has nothing to do with materialistic items, entertainment, or an addiction to them. It is about people like Terri Schiavo, who cannot survive without the support of machines.. or for another example, someone who is unable to feed without another person lifting the food to their face or through a feeding tube. Tell me what value those people have to society, rather than waste our time and resources?

You're essentially just ranting at this point and throwing around various insults. Then you have some unbelievable view over how we are dependant on ENTERTAINMENT rather than necessaties such as food, water, and shelter.. which can themselves be INDEPENDANTLY gathered in the wild WITHOUT the help of others. You've become predictably dull. In your next post, I expect:


Oh look, you're trying to personally insult me by calling me predictably dull while you're the one thats so narrow minded. Oh lord, the agony is unbearable. Get a life, seriously. I'm not ranting nor insulting you're just turning everything I say into something that can feed that pathetic anger you have inside you. Cry me a river. I think its just you that boohoo's about any other information that doesn't pile up to your conclusion. What was the point of posting someone already concluded. If you were oh so aware of your judgments why do you need others consent about it?

Those that need things like electronics to breathe or psychically stay alive?
Please let me inquire as to how the f**k they are relevant in your life.
If they need a breathing apparatus or a nurse to feed them what the f**k does that have to do with you? Nothing? Yeah.
Sorry to break it to you, you're not the center of the universe and if someone needing something like that morally wounds you I have a suggestion: don't go near them.

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- Another rant about how we're all dependant on society, ignoring logic that people exist outside of society itself
- A second inability to deduce materialistic addiction isn't relevant in this debate, nor what it's about
- More insults towards me to fill the gap where you're unable to produce any argument


You need to work on your prediction skills.

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- Another crybaby remark about how you previosly had a nonexistant point

Oh look, another attempt at a personal insult. How cute. :wink:

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Soooo...OP....do you think new-born babies should be left to die?

I think this is a little too advanced for his comprehension.

Oh, but I believe he just doesn't like OLD people that need these things so I guess when he gets a little older we'll just have to shoot him or something. Maybe he'd do it himself, who knows.



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15 May 2007, 2:12 pm

Ramsus,AS usually gives people a keen sense of fairness and logic.Neither of these
qualities appear to be present in your post so maybe you should consider having your diagnosis reviewed? Seriously.
Then again,I'm 47 so you probably consider me too old and worthless to have an opinion


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15 May 2007, 2:16 pm

Hmm...


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15 May 2007, 2:18 pm

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Does anyone else utterly despise old people..? Y'know, the wrinkly, dependant, almost parasite-like wastes of life? They smell bad, make noises, posess the intelligence of a rock, and are ugly as all hell. Sorry, but I judge on outward appearances. It's the first thing you see. If someone's ugly, I don't like them as a person. OH YES! They can't hear at all.. and it pisses me off. The manner with which they eat TRULY sets me off. And even worse, we even try to keep these parasitic beings alive. It's sickening! Let them go! Anyone else feel this way?


Not nearly as much as i dislike lank haired, egotistical, pasty skinned, zitcovered, bad smelling, ignorant, uneducated self consumed youth. <<Sarcasm off>>

Oh yes boy, you're no oil painting yourself.


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15 May 2007, 2:31 pm

Oh and can somebody please hold some 'how to look past skin deep' lessons for the OP?


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15 May 2007, 2:58 pm

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Oh and can somebody please hold some 'how to look past skin deep' lessons for the OP?


Being I'm more of a scientist myself I much enjoy theory and application of such theory and so if it is the skin that he cannot see past maybe we should remove his or, mark it up a little. Anyone got an aging device?