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I just don't understand where you're coming from.

So Autism doesn't exist and is a figment of imagination? Did I take some bait I shouldn't have by asking such a question of you?

@Richard_the_Doggerel: Have you any valid credentials as a mental-health professional? Have you any irrefutable evidence (other than "connect-the-dots") to support your assertions? Have you any valid purpose for denying autism, other than drawing attention to yourself?

Denying Autism does not make it any less real.

I spent a while in a back in fourth with him a while ago. He is taking basic and often obvious concepts, such as historical abuse by clinicians, and the idea that autism is a normal type of development that is disabling because of the way human society developed, mixing it with his own life experiences, and adding in how the world should work instead of how it does, and then taking it to the extreme.

I have a feeling on his own he will realize the faults in his thinking given time, and arguing with him probably won't help. It's a typical example of black and white thinking.

The Mental Health System and its licensees ARE THE PROBLEM.

People come in a wide range of temperaments. But this desire to label them comes from the Eugenics Movement. The particular formulation which holds the hearts and minds of so many comes from the Nazi Party.

Autism-Asperger's is socially constructed. This is a brilliantly researched book:

https://www.amazon.com/Constructing-Aut ... 0415321816

And then Sami Timimi and his co-authors, and the Evidence Based Psychiatry Movement. They say in unison as clearly as anyone ever could, Autism Does Not Exist.

One of the co-authors explains that for the first time in his life he got employment and pay which he considers commensurate with his age and his abilities, just by removing reference to Autism-Asperger's from his resume.

https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Autism-Medi ... +of+autism

And this explains how it all comes down to Ableism

https://www.amazon.com/Re-Thinking-Auti ... e-thinking

And this explains how in portraying the parents as victims instead of abusers, violence against supposedly autistic children is being encouraged:

https://www.amazon.com/War-Autism-Corpo ... sm+mcguire

But sure, if you abuse someone enough, they will accept a label, just in the hope that the abuse will stop. It doesn't.

Richard

I have a feeling that he will continue to spam threads with copies of the same posts until the moderators shut him down.

Arguing with people out on the fringe usually doesn't help, but it does keep them distracted long enough for those in authority to convene, confer, and act upon their spamming and trollish nonsense.

Dude, I asked for VALID evidence, not a collection of dime-store paperback novels written by someone who may be flailing around in the final throes of senility.

Yes.

YES?

And if you don't mind my asking, why, and what would you hope to gain? And would you be concerned that the course might be promoting the idea of Autism-Aspergers, and defect, deficiency, disorder, and neurological difference?

Richard

I am concerned that you are spamming this website with lies and trollish claims that have no basis in anything other than the hallucinogenic fantasies of a senile old man who has no expertise in the subject he's writing on.

If his "theories" had any validity, they would be published in peer-reviewed scientific journals, and not through Amazon's science-fiction/fantasy branch.

fnord, not everyone agrees with you, or agrees that Autism is real, beyond a lived experience of being persecuted.

Council for Evidence Based Psychiatry
http://cepuk.org/

And as discussed on this very forum, Tony Humphries:

Autism is a theory
https://www.thejournal.ie/autism-is-a-t ... 0-Feb2012/

And then Frances Tustin worked to treat it with Psychoanalysis, not Aversion Therapy, Applied Behavioral Analysis, Pivotal Response Therapy, or Transcranial Magnets. She considered it to be something more like a curable injury, a set of effects, not a set of causes.

https://www.amazon.com/Frances-Tustin-M ... 0415092639

And this approach is still standard in Latin America.

And Peter Breggin has never said that it is not a set of effects, or gone along with the idea that it or mental illnesses are real disorders.

https://www.amazon.com/Toxic-Psychiatry ... reggin+m.d

And Allen Francis, one of the authors of DSM, has said that there is something wrong indicated in this autism assessment explosion
https://www.project-syndicate.org/comme ... cesspaylog

And Peter Gotzsche, someone with dozens of papers in all of the most prestigious peer reviewed medical journals, says that it would be better if the Psychiatric Medications were taken off of the market.

http://ahrp.org/deadly-psychiatry-and-o ... -gotzsche/

Richard

I am quite aware of how the label autism is used to judge people and abuse people. I post links to articles detailing this on WP all the time. I am aware of how the Autism label came into being, I have read Edith Scheffer's "Aspergers Children", as well as "Neurotribes" and "In A Different Key".

Child abuse was around long before the concept of autism. Child abuse is not the fault of a label, labels are just an excuse. Abuse is the fault of the abuser. If we change the autism label to shamen we might be abused for that, if all labels are banned we might be abused for our traits. Often abuse has nothing to do at all with the abused, it has to do 100 percent with the sadism of the abuser.

Bullies using a label to abuse is the very last reason that a label should be changed or banned. Not wanting to use Aspergers because Asperger was complicit in Nazi eugenics is a legitimate reason to change the name, If Autism is a flawed concept of people, or there is no such thing as neurological difference that is a legitimate reason to drop the label. Changing or stopping using a label because sadists use it as a weapon just gives the bully another win, another success in imposing change on other people by force.

I am glad that you are reading. I disagree with what it says in "Neurotribes" and "In A Different Key", because both authors believe that this Neurological Difference is real.

Autism-Asperger's is tied to a particular type of child abuse, that of the middle-class family, using children to give the adults identity, and ultimately supportive of the eugenics movement.

Do you want more children to be assessed? Sent to the transcranial magnet?

http://nuffieldbioethics.org/wp-content ... 06/TMS.jpg

Do you think we should have genetic testing for left handedness, for red hair, for green eyes?

Richard

Prove that the Neurological Difference is not real.Prove your conspiracy theory, in some way other than through literature written by a quack and a fraud.Yes.If necessary, yes.Unnecessary. These phenotypes exist in reality. Your conspiracy theories exist only in your mind.

My niece is in grade school. She was diagnosed with autism before she was of school age. I can assure you with every fiber of my being that was not abused by her parents, peers, medical professionals, teachers or anyone else. It was obvious to all of us within a year of her birth that she was different than other children her age. Even after years of coaching, occupational therapy, speech therapy, etc, it's probable that she will not be able to live an independent life.

I don't know what to tell you, Richard. You can think whatever you want.

It seems that the main tension between the parent and the child is in what Alice Miller has called the Narcissistic Wound. What it amounts to is that the parent refuses to mirror the child's facial expressions, and expects the child to mirror their own.

Why they are like this, well it gets to the wounds they have suffered and generally to why they had children. This is Miller's thesis, from Drama of the Gifted Child, and throughout all of her books.

I hope things go well for your niece.

But I ask you, do you want more parents driving their child to the doctor's office to get assessed? Arizona recently removed 5 children from parents who were doing this. Very rare, doctors testifying against other doctors. Pediatricians from the Phoenix Children's Hospital testified against their own hospital's Psychiatrists who gave the original Autism-Asperger's assessment.

And we know that there are cases of Attachment Disorder, two types. One is no attachment, the other is some kind of insecure or problematic attachment.

And a king of England once wanted to prove that English is God's language. So he had some infants who were fed, but got no other interaction. He believed that they would spontaneously find out how to speak English.

It didn't work, the infants all died.

Richard

I would rather there would be no genetic testing because it is used to prevent people from bieng born. But it does not matter what I think genetic testing is not going to be uninvented.

I would prefer children be assessed at a slightly later age. Too many typical 2 year old behavoirs and autism behavoirs are similar leading to a higher chance of misdiagnoses. And it is my belief that the push for earlier and earlier testing is designed to intercept the brain from wiring itself into and autistic person.

So again it is not a matter of autism not existing or assesment being the wrong thing to do but it is a matter of misuse.