Why is Asperger's so much more common these days?

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06 Dec 2018, 12:07 pm

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I remember as a child, very early 70s, I was watching "night gallery" and noticed my first exposure to any depiction of autism. I thought at the time, "that guy up there is just an extreme version of ME!" 8O


Interesting. Didn't realize that Night Gallery had an episode with an autistic child. I assume that it was a child because back then no one ever even thought about grown ups with autism. Around 1965 when I was ten or eleven, I heard a talk radio show all about autism. Parents and experts talking at length, and sharing experiences, and clearing up misinformation (and showing how autism is not the same thing as mental retardation). For some reason I got hooked on listening to it. And the thought occurred to me that maybe "there is a mild watered down version of autism, and maybe that's what I have". My parents were already sending me to shrinks. Both of the ones I had seen by that time were thoroughly worthless. Long story short: I dismissed my theory at that time, but half of a century later I was officially diagnosed with a mild form of autism.

they did not label the character autistic but his behaviors were clearly autistic even to my child self at the time. i'd just watched a documentary about autism, so I was a bit clued in.


Interesting.

About that time (1969)I saw a movie in a theater that HAS to be the first major motion picture to depict autism (though the word is not mentioned in the movie ASFAIK) called "Run Wild, Run Free". A British import close to twenty years before "Rain Man" about a boy growing up on the Yorkshire Moors with selective mutism and other autistic traits. Very good movie actually. Even though seeing it with my parents as a kid was kinda ...some of the family dynamics in the film were a little too close to home and made me squirm.


The film did not name autism but reviews at that time did. The film starred Mark Lester best known at the time for Oliver!


Yeah. I knew that I knew his face from something else. It was Oliver as the title character. And if I am not mistaken his dad in Run Wild was played the guy who would later play "Mr. Hudson" - the butler in "Upstairs, Downstairs" .



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06 Dec 2018, 1:08 pm

Aspie’s are breeding. More people born with the gene.


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06 Dec 2018, 3:30 pm

If I had to guess, I'd say doctors are more readily going to make the diagnosis, whether it meets the threshold or not.


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06 Dec 2018, 8:33 pm

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We are not the “next step in human evolution.”

Sorry to be the bearer of hard truths.


The numbers say otherwise my friend.



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06 Dec 2018, 8:45 pm

ValiantThor wrote:
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We are not the “next step in human evolution.”

Sorry to be the bearer of hard truths.


The numbers say otherwise my friend.


It's being said that mental health disorders in children/teens like anxiety, depression, bi-polar, ocd, pstd, anorexia, bulimia, suicidal ideation etc seem to be on the rise as well.



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06 Dec 2018, 8:52 pm

The "numbers rising" is almost solely because of more awareness of autism in general, more diagnosis amongst women, and less reluctance to seek a diagnosis.

I believe it's going to stabilize at somewhere between 1 in 35 and 1 in 40.



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06 Dec 2018, 9:24 pm

ValiantThor wrote:
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We are not the “next step in human evolution.”

Sorry to be the bearer of hard truths.


The numbers say otherwise my friend.


The numbers say no such thing.

The numbers say that we broadened the definition of autism to encompass more people, and that we are better at detecting folks on the autism spectrum that were always there, but got missed.



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06 Dec 2018, 10:20 pm

Bad parenting and neglect lead to this condition. More kids are being babysat by technology: smart phones, Tablets and TV and inattentive parents spending too much time on their smart phones. It is the technology addiction that leads to anti-social and behavioural issues to develop. Children do not learn social skills if they are in front of TV or smart phones, Tablets all day.



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06 Dec 2018, 11:06 pm

These numbers are taken from CDC data showing estimates of the number of children with ASD:
2018: 1 in 40 (CDC data is usually at least 2 years old; this is an estimate given by the Journal of Pediatrics, as reported by CNN)
2014: 1 in 68
2008: I in 88
2006: 1 in 110
2004: 1 in 125
2000: 1 in 150
1995: 1 in 1,000

Someone mentioned that I contradicted myself by saying that some of the influx in new diagnoses is due to more uniform diagnostic standards. This is simple to explain. It was not until 1993 that healthcare professionals even got themselves on the same page in defining the term Autism. It took another 2 decades for them to hash out the fine details, as exemplified by the term “Asperger’s” disappearing from the DSM in 2013. How can there be certainty in the numbers when there was not even an accepted standard for diagnosing Autism until just recently? I would list the year 2000 as an accepted starting point for having useable statistics to track the growth rate because of this phenomenon.

The prevalence of those diagnosed with Autism is rapidly accelerating. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that this is going to stabilize at 1 in 35 to 1 in 40. If anything, the evidence suggests just the opposite. The data tells me that within 5 years it is going to be 1 in 20 children. Why do you think that this data is even being collected by the CDC? The government and healthcare world see this as an epidemic.

I, for one, do not see it an epidemic. I see a change coming to humanity. Think about how the “normal” people interact and behave: lying about their feelings, avoiding sensitive subjects that are annoyingly obvious, leaving important words unsaid, pretending to like things they do not, pretending that they are not feeling an emotion that they clearly are feeling, using language to hide, skirting crucial issues, attacking people who frighten them without ever realizing they are full of fear, and claiming to be rational when huge steamy clouds of emotion are pouring out of them. In my eyes, I see unevolved, inefficient, and almost maddening, neurotypical behavior. The way I see the world and interact with it quite often makes much more sense.

I do empathize for those that are higher up the Spectrum. In any evolutionary process you’ll find variants and degrees of change. It’s how nature finds the middle ground in adapting and thriving. I was just recently diagnosed and in reconstructing my past, I realized that I was considered almost non-verbal for my first 6 years in this body. I fully credit my mother for pulling me down into the high-functioning range. Had it not been for her, I would have been quite different today. My point is that in living through variant ranges of the Spectrum, I see that there is something special hidden in us “afflicted” with Autism. We are the forerunners to a better society.



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07 Dec 2018, 8:02 am

ValiantThor wrote:
These numbers are taken from CDC data showing estimates of the number of children with ASD:
2018: 1 in 40 (CDC data is usually at least 2 years old; this is an estimate given by the Journal of Pediatrics, as reported by CNN)
2014: 1 in 68
2008: I in 88
2006: 1 in 110
2004: 1 in 125
2000: 1 in 150
1995: 1 in 1,000

Someone mentioned that I contradicted myself by saying that some of the influx in new diagnoses is due to more uniform diagnostic standards. This is simple to explain. It was not until 1993 that healthcare professionals even got themselves on the same page in defining the term Autism. It took another 2 decades for them to hash out the fine details, as exemplified by the term “Asperger’s” disappearing from the DSM in 2013. How can there be certainty in the numbers when there was not even an accepted standard for diagnosing Autism until just recently? I would list the year 2000 as an accepted starting point for having useable statistics to track the growth rate because of this phenomenon.

The prevalence of those diagnosed with Autism is rapidly accelerating. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that this is going to stabilize at 1 in 35 to 1 in 40. If anything, the evidence suggests just the opposite. The data tells me that within 5 years it is going to be 1 in 20 children. Why do you think that this data is even being collected by the CDC? The government and healthcare world see this as an epidemic.

I, for one, do not see it an epidemic. I see a change coming to humanity. Think about how the “normal” people interact and behave: lying about their feelings, avoiding sensitive subjects that are annoyingly obvious, leaving important words unsaid, pretending to like things they do not, pretending that they are not feeling an emotion that they clearly are feeling, using language to hide, skirting crucial issues, attacking people who frighten them without ever realizing they are full of fear, and claiming to be rational when huge steamy clouds of emotion are pouring out of them. In my eyes, I see unevolved, inefficient, and almost maddening, neurotypical behavior. The way I see the world and interact with it quite often makes much more sense.

I do empathize for those that are higher up the Spectrum. In any evolutionary process you’ll find variants and degrees of change. It’s how nature finds the middle ground in adapting and thriving. I was just recently diagnosed and in reconstructing my past, I realized that I was considered almost non-verbal for my first 6 years in this body. I fully credit my mother for pulling me down into the high-functioning range. Had it not been for her, I would have been quite different today. My point is that in living through variant ranges of the Spectrum, I see that there is something special hidden in us “afflicted” with Autism. We are the forerunners to a better society.


You contradict yourself, then you admit that you contradict yourself, then you go on to say your contradicted point any way, and then contradict that by admitting the opposite, but then go on to repeat your contradicted point.

You admit that the experts couldn't get their collective act together to even get a common definition of what autism is until about 2000. And the brief 18 years since that date the increased numbers could be due to them just getter better at finding and diagnosing the autistics who were missed before (ergo the real numbers were always higher but were hidden). And it could also be that its now being overdiagnosed. And probably other factors.

And you're wearing your wishful thinking on your sleeve.

But for the sake of argument lets go with it. Lets say that autism actually is getting more, and more common, and doing so as fast as you claim.

What mechanism would cause autism to spread like that?

Its not a virus.

In the Sixties autism was assumed to be caused by bad parenting (refrigerator moms, and all of that nonsense).
Then they went the other way thought of it as inborn, later still they realized upbringing may effect it. But its still largely thought of inborn, and mostly genetic, or epigenetic, though its not caused by a single gene.

Since autism is thought of being genetic your suggestion implies that humans are literally "evolving" into becoming a more autistic kind of animal via Darwinian style natural selection. If that's what you are suggesting then that would be ridiculous. Even if you were accidently right (like a stopped watch) that mankind really is evolving that way that evolution would take many generations, and thousands of years, to evolve that way. You would NOT see growing numbers every couple of years.

So since you cant possibly believe that the human species is literally evolving into becoming more genetically programmed to be autistic then what are you saying?

Are you returning to the Sixties belief that autism is all bad parenting, and are suggesting that its due to an outbreak of bad parenting? Or are you saying a virus IS going around and causing kids to be autistic? Vaccines? Or what?



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07 Dec 2018, 8:21 am

Evolution just doesn't happen that fast; Natural is right.

It's impossible for the "rise" in autism to be an evolutionary manifestation.

Any scientist worth his/her salt would know that.



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07 Dec 2018, 8:35 am

Maybe aspie is the new NT in the future? ;) That'd be pretty cool.

Aspergers was known of when I was growing up too yet it went unnoticed in me. I was never sent to a special ed class yet all teachers I had struggled with knowing how to get through to me and how to make me socialize right with the other kids but I was not someone who belonged in a class for troubled kids and they could tell so I guess it wasn't easy for them to know what to do with me.

I also really think that aspies have always existed but back in the day diagnoses and mental illnesses were not accepted so people had to just fight and learn to mask it. Socially awkward people have always existed you know but they've been just socially awkward because there hasn't been a better term for it. In my experience being socially awkward is the biggest reason for bullying in schools and bullying isn't exactly something new. I'd even say it's very unusual if you were the ONLY socially awkward person in your school growing up, maybe you just never payed attention to the other ones? I was far from the only one at my school and every single one of us got bullied or teased. Sucks how that happens.



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07 Dec 2018, 8:43 am

It would be nice----but that's not going to happen.

Neurotypical societal patterns are just too ingrained. Most people feel the neurotypical social aspects are worth maintaining, even amid toleration of more "alternative" ways of socializing.

This is because of the tendency towards adhering to the "tried and true."

Most people like to be told "Good Morning," like to be thanked, like to have people say "excuse me," and, in general, feel comfortable following social routines which seem, at first glance, to be rather superfluous. These give neurotypical people a sense of security.



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07 Dec 2018, 10:27 am

Aspie19828 wrote:
Bad parenting and neglect lead to this condition. More kids are being babysat by technology: smart phones, Tablets and TV and inattentive parents spending too much time on their smart phones. It is the technology addiction that leads to anti-social and behavioural issues to develop. Children do not learn social skills if they are in front of TV or smart phones, Tablets all day.

IMHO these factors have lead to an increase of autistic traits which could be leading to misdiagnosis. Also these factors are leading to autistics presenting as more severe. But I do not think there is more Autism.

Again, Autism is way more then being socially ackward or even having social communication “deficits”. Why in 2018 does this need to be constantly repeated?


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07 Dec 2018, 10:33 am

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Maybe aspie is the new NT in the future? ;) That'd be pretty cool.

Aspergers was known of when I was growing up too yet it went unnoticed in me. I was never sent to a special ed class yet all teachers I had struggled with knowing how to get through to me and how to make me socialize right with the other kids but I was not someone who belonged in a class for troubled kids and they could tell so I guess it wasn't easy for them to know what to do with me.

I also really think that aspies have always existed but back in the day diagnoses and mental illnesses were not accepted so people had to just fight and learn to mask it. Socially awkward people have always existed you know but they've been just socially awkward because there hasn't been a better term for it. In my experience being socially awkward is the biggest reason for bullying in schools and bullying isn't exactly something new. I'd even say it's very unusual if you were the ONLY socially awkward person in your school growing up, maybe you just never payed attention to the other ones? I was far from the only one at my school and every single one of us got bullied or teased. Sucks how that happens.


I would have gladly taken “socially awkward” I had much worse informal descriptions.


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07 Dec 2018, 10:37 am

Theory of mind refers to the notion that many autistic individuals do not understand that other people have their own plans, thoughts, and points of view. Furthermore, it appears that they have difficulty understanding other people's beliefs, attitudes, and emotions.
Many of the tasks used to test this theory have been given to non-autistic children as well as children with mental retardation, and the theory of mind phenomenon appears to be unique to those with autism. In addition, theory of mind appears to be independent of intelligence even though people with Asperger's syndrome exhibit this problem to a lesser degree.
Interestingly, people with autism have difficulty comprehending when others don't know something. It is quite common, especially for those with savant abilities, to become upset when asking a question of a person to which the person does not know the answer.
By not understanding that other people think differently than themselves, many autistic individuals may have problems relating socially and communicating to other people. That is, they may not be able to anticipate what others will say or do in various situations. In addition, they may have difficulty understanding that their peers or classmates even have thoughts and emotions, and may thus appear to be self-centered, eccentric, or uncaring.
Although this is an egocentric view of the world, there is nothing in the theory of mind to imply that autistic individuals feel superior to others.
The vital question which must be asked is: How does one teach individuals with autism to understand and acknowledge the thoughts and feelings of others? One of the methods used to teach autistic children and adults this concept is an intervention developed by Carol Gray called 'social stories.' These short stories describe different scenarios which allow autistic individuals to understand themselves and others better. These stories may motivate them to start asking questions about other people and at least recognize that different individuals think in unique ways.