London bombings

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I'd put my money on wishy-washy do-gooding liberals.

And the super fat.

Why the inverted commas over the bombers? They were born and raised in this country and that makes them british unless your definition of what is british is different than mine. How do you know that humiliation of iraqi citizens is far from commonplace? When were you last in iraq and did you head a fair and independant investigation on the issue of abuse? If the answer is never and no then im afraid im not just going to take your word for it. The way some muslim leaders here mention iraq is dangerous though. The bombers werent from iraq or afghanistan so to use occupation of the aforementioned countries as an excuse is sectarian in my opinion.

Ah, so we meet again, eamonn .

The inverted commas are because in my eyes many of them are not British. Their loyalties lie in another country. If they want to be called British and support these terrorist acts, then they should be shot as traitors. If they don't believe they are British and voice support, they should be deported. Of course, I don't believe all British Muslims, or even a majority, are like that; but, many are.

Well, I don't believe all the left-wing twaddle broadcast by the BBC or disseminated in the gutter-press tabloids. Also, I know our troops are well trained. And, to be perfectly honest, if a few looters get a good kicking from some squaddies, then all well and good. Also, I'm not so bloody naive as to believe that if you're captured and interrogated by the military, you're going to get a nice little chat over tea and biscuits .

Of course, I'm sure some excesses have occured. Do you really expect that in a situation like that they wouldn't? Remember what some of these soldiers have seen. Think of the stress they may have been through. But there are mechanisms within the military to deal with these things. It shouldn't be for civilians to stand in judgement of military personnel, nor for politicians to make scapegoats of them. There is no evidence that these "abuses" are endemic to our military organisation, thay are one-offs that could be expected. If you really want to fret over abuse, then I suggest you look at the Muslim world, or even at some of our European "allies". See how they treat people detained even under suspicion of minor crminal offences.

The truth is that we are screwed. Nice to see you, but due to recent events we are all going to have to kiss our ass goodbye.

The thing about London is that not only does it have at least four outstanding orchestras (LSO, LPO, Philharmonia, Royal Philharmonic), there're also plenty of great chamber music/solo recitals, and all the major European orchestras visit it fairly regularly. Even if continental Europe has a greater music history, London beats all for sheer quantity (although, unfortunately, all their major concert halls have unsatisfactory acoustics). I was in London for 5 days in June and watched three different orchestras, including Amsterdam's Royal Concertgebouw. In addition, probably because of this oversupply of good music, the prices (starting from around 6 pounds) are far friendlier than what'd you have to pay to watch the Vienna Philharmonic in their hometown. And if you go during the Proms, there are one or two concerts every night and visiting orchestras abound.

You sound like an evil supervillian! I can just imagine you stroking a cat as you say it.



Abuse is endemic to the people inside the organisation so i find it hard to believe that it doesnt happen to the enemy. Should we just allow our soldiers to do as they wish without laws applying to them just because some of them have seen terrible things happen around them? I think they should know what they are getting themselves into by joining the army before they start pleading trauma. I mentioned the abuse in iraq because you said it is far from commonplace and i dont think you can really know that. I am aware of the terrible things that go on in too many muslim countries and think they should get their own house in order before being so forward in their criticism of the usa and brits but im from the "civilised" west and i expect human rights to mean something. Though we are let down on that front all too often.

Whoa! That is good.