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20 Aug 2021, 4:00 am

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There is a youtube video showing average IQ per nation. African countries are ENTIRELY at the bottom. I wondered how this truth bomb got past their censors. It's because it's all true and findable online.

How about factors like poverty/malnutrition, diseases and growing up during armed conflicts and how they influence IQ? Also, how about access to schools that train intelligence the way we define it?
Were these factors taken into account?

PS - you're drifting towards dangerous zones. WrongPlanet.net is an international site with members of various ethnicities. Racist content is explicitly forbidden here.


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20 Aug 2021, 5:58 am

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There is a youtube video showing average IQ per nation. African countries are ENTIRELY at the bottom. I wondered how this truth bomb got past their censors. It's because it's all true and findable online.

How about factors like poverty/malnutrition, diseases and growing up during armed conflicts and how they influence IQ? Also, how about access to schools that train intelligence the way we define it?
Were these factors taken into account?

PS - you're drifting towards dangerous zones. WrongPlanet.net is an international site with members of various ethnicities. Racist content is explicitly forbidden here.


I said nothing about race. White South Africans are most certainly Africans. Also the majority of people here are from the English speaking world (the US, UK, Canada, Australia ie the UK and it's colonial legacy). That's typical of autism forums.



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20 Aug 2021, 6:12 am

magz wrote:
Axeman wrote:
There is a youtube video showing average IQ per nation. African countries are ENTIRELY at the bottom. I wondered how this truth bomb got past their censors. It's because it's all true and findable online.

How about factors like poverty/malnutrition, diseases and growing up during armed conflicts and how they influence IQ? Also, how about access to schools that train intelligence the way we define it?
Were these factors taken into account?

PS - you're drifting towards dangerous zones. WrongPlanet.net is an international site with members of various ethnicities. Racist content is explicitly forbidden here.


https://youtu.be/Ngk5lirBpjE

You may find this interesting.



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20 Aug 2021, 6:41 am

Never judge collective intelligence via collective IQ.

IQ was created by sheltered west Europeans from the 19th/early 20th century who had preconceived notions about race.



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20 Aug 2021, 7:53 am

Goldfish21: well done for working out a means of improving your brain functioning and mental health.

Autism research is entering an interesting time with many trials of things that seem to have a positive effect on some.

It seems they are throwing lots to the wall without central coordination to see what sticks and some things appear to be sticking, things like folinic acid, suramin, bumitanide and the ways of addressing stomach Bacteria measures also.

It will probably take another 5 years or so before some of these things will be used as treatments.

None of these things are “cures” of course but do undermine ND advocates claims that autism is not a pathology.

Clearly autism is caused by complex micro biological activity that somethings are having a positive effect on.

For that reason many ND advocates hate this fact and wish to preserve the status quo


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20 Aug 2021, 8:36 am

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Goldfish21: well done for working out a means of improving your brain functioning and mental health.

Autism research is entering an interesting time with many trials of things that seem to have a positive effect on some.

It seems they are throwing lots to the wall without central coordination to see what sticks and some things appear to be sticking, things like folinic acid, suramin, bumitanide and the ways of addressing stomach Bacteria measures also.

It will probably take another 5 years or so before some of these things will be used as treatments.

None of these things are “cures” of course but do undermine ND advocates claims that autism is not a pathology.

Clearly autism is caused by complex micro biological activity that somethings are having a positive effect on.

For that reason many ND advocates hate this fact and wish to preserve the status quo



https://www.autismspeaks.org/science-ne ... ited-genes



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https://www.spectrumnews.org/news/autis ... explained/



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20 Aug 2021, 9:11 am

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Actually, there are many people who live under modern conditions in South America and Africa.

And if they don’t, they make do with what they have. They’re very resourceful.


What nations did best you may ask? The gold goes to Singapore, the silver to South Korea, and the bronze was tied between Japan and China.

The US was above average but the US is very much a heterogeneous nation and imo should have been evaluated state by state.



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20 Aug 2021, 10:16 am

Axeman wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Actually, there are many people who live under modern conditions in South America and Africa.

And if they don’t, they make do with what they have. They’re very resourceful.


What nations did best you may ask? The gold goes to Singapore, the silver to South Korea, and the bronze was tied between Japan and China.

The US was above average but the US is very much a heterogeneous nation and imo should have been evaluated state by state.



There have been claims that that 'superiority' is based on cherry picking who is or isn't included as part of the assessment process. In any case there's nothing virtuous in one country having a higher collective IQ than another.



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20 Aug 2021, 10:18 am

Axeman wrote:
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Goldfish21: well done for working out a means of improving your brain functioning and mental health.

Autism research is entering an interesting time with many trials of things that seem to have a positive effect on some.

It seems they are throwing lots to the wall without central coordination to see what sticks and some things appear to be sticking, things like folinic acid, suramin, bumitanide and the ways of addressing stomach Bacteria measures also.

It will probably take another 5 years or so before some of these things will be used as treatments.

None of these things are “cures” of course but do undermine ND advocates claims that autism is not a pathology.

Clearly autism is caused by complex micro biological activity that somethings are having a positive effect on.

For that reason many ND advocates hate this fact and wish to preserve the status quo



https://www.autismspeaks.org/science-ne ... ited-genes


Certain people or organizations can say a lot of things which changes all the time anyway.

Although there is certainly a genetic influence on autism in many cases, many so called experts rely on “genetics” as a lazy excuse as an alternative to just saying we don’t know.

The bottom line is does a therapy / treatment have a positive effect yes or no that is measurable.

The fact is some things are having a positive effect on reducing autism symptoms.


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20 Aug 2021, 10:20 am

carlos55 wrote:
Axeman wrote:
carlos55 wrote:
Goldfish21: well done for working out a means of improving your brain functioning and mental health.

Autism research is entering an interesting time with many trials of things that seem to have a positive effect on some.

It seems they are throwing lots to the wall without central coordination to see what sticks and some things appear to be sticking, things like folinic acid, suramin, bumitanide and the ways of addressing stomach Bacteria measures also.

It will probably take another 5 years or so before some of these things will be used as treatments.

None of these things are “cures” of course but do undermine ND advocates claims that autism is not a pathology.

Clearly autism is caused by complex micro biological activity that somethings are having a positive effect on.

For that reason many ND advocates hate this fact and wish to preserve the status quo



https://www.autismspeaks.org/science-ne ... ited-genes


Certain people or organizations can say a lot of things which changes all the time anyway.

Although there is certainly a genetic influence on autism in many cases, many so called experts rely on “genetics” as a lazy excuse as an alternative to just saying we don’t know.

The bottom line is does a therapy / treatment have a positive effect yes or no that is measurable.

The fact is some things are having a positive effect on reducing autism symptoms.


I've posted five articles that all say mostly or primarily genetic.



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20 Aug 2021, 10:21 am

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Axeman wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Actually, there are many people who live under modern conditions in South America and Africa.

And if they don’t, they make do with what they have. They’re very resourceful.


What nations did best you may ask? The gold goes to Singapore, the silver to South Korea, and the bronze was tied between Japan and China.

The US was above average but the US is very much a heterogeneous nation and imo should have been evaluated state by state.



There have been claims that that 'superiority' is based on cherry picking who is or isn't included as part of the assessment process. In any case there's nothing virtuous in one country having a higher collective IQ than another.


Said nothing about virtue. Everyone is trying to read their own narrative into it.



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20 Aug 2021, 11:28 am

Illness or not... Comorbidity or not...


As long as it costs over the equivalent and total of 20 USD (that includes insurance itself), illegal/imported exclusive, or if it had to be available 24-7/dependent but not easily found anywhere (most mentioned diets, many meds so far), or requires meticulous maintenance (sterilization, tight lock storing, etc.) or procedures or exercises that needs high levels of privacy or trust (needing the toilet for few hours a day, going half naked, etc..)...


... All of these conditions cannot be done in my case.

Nor it can simply be done by anyone from where I came from unless they're at least as twice as more financially well off than my household.

And then add individual factors right after.




Otherwise I got no issues trying them all, really. :lol:
Or anyone that I know of.

From where I came from one cannot be afforded to be ill...
... Or healthier than simply not-ill. Unless it's zero budget. :twisted:


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20 Aug 2021, 1:05 pm

magz wrote:
Axeman wrote:
There is a youtube video showing average IQ per nation. African countries are ENTIRELY at the bottom. I wondered how this truth bomb got past their censors. It's because it's all true and findable online.

How about factors like poverty/malnutrition, diseases and growing up during armed conflicts and how they influence IQ? Also, how about access to schools that train intelligence the way we define it?
Were these factors taken into account?

PS - you're drifting towards dangerous zones. WrongPlanet.net is an international site with members of various ethnicities. Racist content is explicitly forbidden here.


Those exposed to these kind of tests in African countries would be best case scenarios. People educated in Western style schools and living what we would view as a more or less normal life.



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20 Aug 2021, 1:43 pm

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Illness or not... Comorbidity or not...


As long as it costs over the equivalent and total of 20 USD (that includes insurance itself), illegal/imported exclusive, or if it had to be available 24-7/dependent but not easily found anywhere (most mentioned diets, many meds so far), or requires meticulous maintenance (sterilization, tight lock storing, etc.) or procedures or exercises that needs high levels of privacy or trust (needing the toilet for few hours a day, going half naked, etc..)...


... All of these conditions cannot be done in my case.

Nor it can simply be done by anyone from where I came from unless they're at least as twice as more financially well off than my household.

And then add individual factors right after.




Otherwise I got no issues trying them all, really. :lol:
Or anyone that I know of.

From where I came from one cannot be afforded to be ill...
... Or healthier than simply not-ill. Unless it's zero budget. :twisted:


If any of this bacterial stuff were true then autism should be a communicable condition. Show me one instance of an NT adult who suddenly became autistic. They are called NEUROtypicals not gut flora typical. Neuro comes entirely from your genetic blueprint.



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Axeman wrote:
Edna3362 wrote:
Illness or not... Comorbidity or not...


As long as it costs over the equivalent and total of 20 USD (that includes insurance itself), illegal/imported exclusive, or if it had to be available 24-7/dependent but not easily found anywhere (most mentioned diets, many meds so far), or requires meticulous maintenance (sterilization, tight lock storing, etc.) or procedures or exercises that needs high levels of privacy or trust (needing the toilet for few hours a day, going half naked, etc..)...


... All of these conditions cannot be done in my case.

Nor it can simply be done by anyone from where I came from unless they're at least as twice as more financially well off than my household.

And then add individual factors right after.




Otherwise I got no issues trying them all, really. :lol:
Or anyone that I know of.

From where I came from one cannot be afforded to be ill...
... Or healthier than simply not-ill. Unless it's zero budget. :twisted:


If any of this bacterial stuff were true then autism should be a communicable condition. Show me one instance of an NT adult who suddenly became autistic. They are called NEUROtypicals not gut flora typical. Neuro comes entirely from your genetic blueprint.


Clearly biomedical intervention does have the potential to reduce the core symptoms of autism:-

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 24425.html

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... Prevention

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 093725.htm

Even if something is genetic drugs can act upon genes to make them behave differently or plug a gap of something missing


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