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16 Aug 2023, 8:21 pm

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It just makes him a neurotypical with a brain injury.


How is someone with a brain injury neurotypical? Most people don't have brain injuries.
The same way that a black person who has vitiligo is still black. To be a neurotype, it has to be your original design, how you were originally created. Injury does not redefine your neurotype, it just means you have an injury that has caused neurological damage.


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17 Aug 2023, 11:18 am

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I still use the term Asperger's sometimes even though he was who he was. I identify as Autistic because of the severity of my symptoms but even though I think Nazis are horrific, evil, and satanic, I don't have an emotional association with the term Asperger's Syndrome. But I respect that each person has the right to feel however s/he wants about it.


Exactly this. I was dx with Moderate Autism and I don't match the typical "Asperger's" presentation, regardless of who Hans was. I don't like cutesy short-forms either, so I wouldn't use the word "Aspie" regardless. We don't called people with Down Syndrome "Downers" or "Downies", or call blind people "blindeys". Aspie sounds just as silly in my opinion.


A lot of Deaf people refer to "Deafies". I guess it's technically not a "short-form" since it's longer than Deaf, but it's definitely (Deafinitely?) cutesy.

Anyway, I think it's fun to take a medicalized term and turn it into a cuter-sounding nickname. It's like a way of reclaiming it. And I've also heard "auties", too, so getting rid of Asperger's syndrome doesn't get rid of the cutesy nicknames for autistic people.



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17 Aug 2023, 11:25 am

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I'm not a supporter of the neurodiversity movement anymore, and I certainly don't agree with that claim. From my perspective, NDs need to learn how to cope with their differences, how to function among NTs, and how to build their own networks and groups with their own preferences at the center. The problem is that nobody knows how NDs work in the relationship area and NTs are poor at telling how they operate themselves (because they do it on instinct). That's the research we need, not ways to turn off genes in the womb.


Even the concept of neurotypical is problematic. Is someone with intellectual disabilities, ADHD, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, etc., etc. neurotypical? Of course not. Before talking about neurotypicals, one first needs to operationalize the term (define it in terms of measurement criteria).


How does misusing a term make the term problematic? Neurotypical has never meant just "non-autistic". If people use it that way, they just don't understand what it means.

And there's plenty of measurement criteria to define neurotypical. Just look at the DSM - if you meet criteria for none of the things in there, you're NT.



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17 Aug 2023, 4:45 pm

Ettina wrote:
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I'm not a supporter of the neurodiversity movement anymore, and I certainly don't agree with that claim. From my perspective, NDs need to learn how to cope with their differences, how to function among NTs, and how to build their own networks and groups with their own preferences at the center. The problem is that nobody knows how NDs work in the relationship area and NTs are poor at telling how they operate themselves (because they do it on instinct). That's the research we need, not ways to turn off genes in the womb.


Even the concept of neurotypical is problematic. Is someone with intellectual disabilities, ADHD, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, etc., etc. neurotypical? Of course not. Before talking about neurotypicals, one first needs to operationalize the term (define it in terms of measurement criteria).


How does misusing a term make the term problematic? Neurotypical has never meant just "non-autistic". If people use it that way, they just don't understand what it means.

And there's plenty of measurement criteria to define neurotypical. Just look at the DSM - if you meet criteria for none of the things in there, you're NT.

Essentially, although, I wouldn't personally include mental illness with the ND in most cases as that's a brain that isn't functioning properly, as opposed to a brain that is just built differently.



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17 Aug 2023, 6:35 pm

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I wouldn't personally include mental illness with the ND in most cases as that's a brain that isn't functioning properly, as opposed to a brain that is just built differently.


That's the same thing.



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17 Aug 2023, 6:46 pm

Weight Of Memory wrote:
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I wouldn't personally include mental illness with the ND in most cases as that's a brain that isn't functioning properly, as opposed to a brain that is just built differently.


That's the same thing.

It's not though. It's why a lot of mental illness is treatable with just medication and therapy, but autism would require invasive changes to most of the brain and change who the person is on a pretty fundamental level.

A person with mental illness is still the same person, they just think and act differently from when they aren't being impacted.