New Aspie-quiz version with SPQ-A subtest

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08 Sep 2007, 1:07 pm

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Just for reference, rdos, some of this might throw your scores off:


No need. I don't believe in Schizotypal Personality Disorder. I think it is no more than a couple of (misunderstood) personality traits + ASD symptoms. Mostly it seems like misdiagnosed ASDs. That's also the intention about having it in Aspie-quiz. I will show that it is correlated with ASDs.



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08 Sep 2007, 1:41 pm

You might want to include schizoid, too, which is possibly even more correlated.

I was said to have schizoid traits twice before being diagnosed with autism. Outwardly, that appeared true -- I had flat affect and was not very social. The only problem was them taking things from that and guessing at my motivations. I think when schizoid is diagnosed in a child the child is almost always autistic. (Adults may be a different matter.)


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08 Sep 2007, 2:38 pm

Your Aspie score: 166 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 27 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie

I'm between classical autism and AS.


If the following helps any.

Main SPQ-score: 42 of 74

Sub-scores:
Ideas of reference 3 of 9
Excessive social anxiety 3 of 8
Odd beliefs or magical thinking 4 of 7
Unusual perceptual experiences 3 of 9
Odd or eccentric behavior 7 of 7
No close friends 6 of 9
Odd speech 8 of 9
Constricted affect 6 of 8
Suspiciousness 2 of 8



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08 Sep 2007, 3:58 pm

Your Aspie score: 171 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 69 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie
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08 Sep 2007, 4:44 pm

Your Aspie score: 139 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 52 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie

Main SPQ-score: 41 of 74

Sub-scores:
Ideas of reference 1 of 9
Excessive social anxiety 8 of 8
Odd beliefs or magical thinking 1 of 7
Unusual perceptual experiences 4 of 9
Odd or eccentric behavior 4 of 7
No close friends 9 of 9
Odd speech 5 of 9
Constricted affect 7 of 8
Suspiciousness 2 of 8


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08 Sep 2007, 4:44 pm

Your Aspie score: 157 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 40 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie

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Main SPQ-score: 37 of 74

Sub-scores:
Ideas of reference 2 of 9
Excessive social anxiety 8 of 8
Odd beliefs or magical thinking 5 of 7
Unusual perceptual experiences 3 of 9
Odd or eccentric behavior 5 of 7
No close friends 6 of 9
Odd speech 4 of 9
Constricted affect 2 of 8
Suspiciousness 2 of 8

here it is, not really sure how I feel about it 8 out of 8 for excessive social anxiety is nothing I'm proud of. But I accepted who I was a long time ago and feel no desire to be someone I'm not. I'll "play the game" at work but only because I have to support us.


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08 Sep 2007, 6:23 pm

rdos quote:
No need. I don't believe in Schizotypal Personality Disorder. I think it is no more than a couple of (misunderstood) personality traits + ASD symptoms. Mostly it seems like misdiagnosed ASDs. That's also the intention about having it in Aspie-quiz. I will show that it is correlated with ASDs.

Thank you for the info about having it in the Aspie quiz to show that it is correlated with ASD
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That idea makes sense to me, because i see the correlations. Then I get afraid that ASD's will be misconstrued, as I see they always have. I do hope the people designing the quiz's come up with the very best answers in diagnosing ASD's in children and adults.

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08 Sep 2007, 7:35 pm

Schizotypal personality disorder is just a fancy way of saying "mild schizophrenia", kind of how Asperger's Syndrome is a fancy way of saying "mild autism." It just isn't a personality disorder.

If you look up schizophrenia, you will also see how it's close to autism in many ways. Since so many things are shared in common, it's no surprise that people who have AS/HFA would score high on the test, and even vice versa. There may be some here who think they have AS who realize the StPD label fits them better.

Me, on the latest test, my schizotypal score out of 72 was higher than my aspie score out of 200. It's easy to say that because you have Asperger's and score high on schizotypal that StPD doesn't exist, but you are wrong. It's just that most of the people who HAVE StPD and not AS/HFA don't come here. Simple as that.

I'm trying to figure out myself whether I have social anxiety disorder (guess what, it's also got it's own personality disorder called Avoidant) or schizotypal PD. People like me exist and I don't have sensory problems, motor problems, obsessive interests, or social understanding problems among other things, so don't go claiming that a label used by respected mental professionals refers to a group of people that is simply misdiagnosed.



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09 Sep 2007, 2:09 am

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Me, on the latest test, my schizotypal score out of 72 was higher than my aspie score out of 200. It's easy to say that because you have Asperger's and score high on schizotypal that StPD doesn't exist, but you are wrong. It's just that most of the people who HAVE StPD and not AS/HFA don't come here. Simple as that.


Very likely. If somebody knows a discussion list for StPD, please post the link to current Aspie-quiz there. That would be very useful. As it is know, there is a definite bias to Aspies doing SPQ-A, and too few NTs. This is a problem. I added the SPQ-A link to the swedish version as well (there is a large swedish-speaking NT group).

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I'm trying to figure out myself whether I have social anxiety disorder (guess what, it's also got it's own personality disorder called Avoidant) or schizotypal PD. People like me exist and I don't have sensory problems, motor problems, obsessive interests, or social understanding problems among other things, so don't go claiming that a label used by respected mental professionals refers to a group of people that is simply misdiagnosed.


That's the way the spectrum works. Many Aspies also don't have sensory issues, motor problems or obsessive interests.



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09 Sep 2007, 4:10 am

What I object most to in the SPQ-A test is probably the pathologization of psychic / paranormal beliefs. This forms an entire group in the test. Several other groups in the test are typical ASD-traits (which people without the social issues of ASD simply shouldn't have). These forms at least half of the scoring. The other half of the questions just seems pretty weird, and most have 0 in Aspie / NT score correlation.

So, what is actually StPD diagnosed based on? ASD traits relating to communication / social differences? Psychic / paranormal beliefs or somerthing else?



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09 Sep 2007, 6:00 am

Looking up studies on SPD.

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J Autism Dev Disord. 2006 Dec 6; [Epub ahead of print]
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The Relationship of Asperger's Characteristics and Schizotypal Personality Traits in a Non-clinical Adult Sample.
Hurst RM, Nelson-Gray RO, Mitchell JT, Kwapil TR.

University of North Carolina at Greensboro, Greensboro, NC, USA, [email protected].

The study examines the relationship between Asperger's Disorder (AD) and Schizotypal Personality Disorder (SPD), mutually exclusive but similar diagnoses [DSM-IV-TR; American Psychiatric Association (2000). Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders. Washington, DC: Author]. The literature and comparison of diagnostic criteria suggest that the two disorders may overlap: AD social impairment with SPD interpersonal problems and AD communication deficits with SPD disorganized features. Questionnaire measures of AD and SPD were administered to a large non-clinical adult sample. Consistent with expectations, the Asperger's and Schizotypal questionnaires were positively correlated. Further, the social-interpersonal and communication-disorganized areas were positively correlated, though the relationship between social-interpersonal areas is particularly strong. Future research should continue to explore the relationship between AD and schizotypy to confirm current findings and improve understanding of distinctions between the disorders.

PMID: 17149668 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]



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09 Sep 2007, 8:17 am

anbuend wrote:
Just for reference, rdos, some of this might throw your scores off:

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Have you had experiences with the supernatural?


Normal belief in the majority of cultures.

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Other people see me as slightly eccentric (odd).


Normal for an autistic person.

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I have little interest in getting to know other people.


Normal for an introvert.

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People sometimes find it hard to understand what I am saying.


Normal for an autistic person or a person with a speech impediment.

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People sometimes find me aloof and distant.


Normal for an introvert, a shy person, or an autistic person.

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I am sure I am being talked about behind my back.


Most people are talked about behind their backs, because most people talk about people they know. Any person receiving the kinds of services I receive is talked about in meetings and such that they are not present in. Any person who (as I have) has even a little media exposure is talked about by people who don't know them.

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I am aware that people notice me when I go out for a meal or to see a film.


As far as I know, most people notice other people when they are out, that is how they do not walk into them. Further, any person who is unusual-looking or uses unusual equipment (both of which apply to me) is going to get noticed even more.

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I get very nervous when I have to make polite conversation.


Applies to shy people and some autistic people.

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Do you believe in telepathy (mind-reading)?


Another one that's highly culture-dependent.

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Have you ever had the sense that some person or force is around you, even though you cannot see anyone?


This can be culture-dependent, also a result of seizures.

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People sometimes comment on my unusual mannerisms and habits.


Common in autistic people.

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I prefer to keep to myself.


Normal for introverts.

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I sometimes jump quickly from one topic to another when speaking.


Normal for manic or hyperactive people, people with certain communication difficulties, or even people who are really excited about something sometimes.

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I am poor at expressing my true feelings by the way I talk and look.


Normal for autistic people.

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Do you often feel that other people have got it in for you?


Not at random, but when (a) prominent and saying things that are unpopular with some people, and (b) being thus on the receiving end of smear campaigns and death threats, it seems likely that some people have got it in for me, and it seems the police agree with me on that.

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Do some people drop hints about you or say things with a double meaning?


NTs say things with double meanings all the time, in general, not specifically to me.

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Sometimes other people think that I am a little strange.


Common for all sorts of people...

...and I could do this for the whole test. Simply being in two or three particular categories (such as, autistic, certain cultural background, epileptic, introverted, etc) at once could get you a high score on this thing. Other things, such as being nervous about making speeches, hardly qualify as excessive anxiety, speechmaking is one of the things most consistently feared across the entire population. Lots of people have experience with astrology without necessarily believing in astrology. Etc.


Amanda, yeah some of that stuff threw me off as I was thinking similiar and I was not always fully able to reply because I wasn't sure if some of those things actually applied to me or whether it was something I perceived may or may not... so a lot of them where I didn't think applied to me all the time, I tended to go towards no and all. It was a bit confusing for me.



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09 Sep 2007, 9:05 am

rdos wrote:
What I object most to in the SPQ-A test is probably the pathologization of psychic / paranormal beliefs. This forms an entire group in the test. Several other groups in the test are typical ASD-traits (which people without the social issues of ASD simply shouldn't have). These forms at least half of the scoring. The other half of the questions just seems pretty weird, and most have 0 in Aspie / NT score correlation.


And some of the questions are questions almost anyone would say yes to, like do you ever get nervous making speeches, or whatever.


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09 Sep 2007, 9:30 am

anbuend wrote:
And some of the questions are questions almost anyone would say yes to, like do you ever get nervous making speeches, or whatever.


Kind of, but getting nervous making speeches seems to be related to social phobia, which is basically misdiagnosed ASD. On most of the others I do agree.

There are now 156 answers to the SPQ-A test. About 30 of 74 questions have now obtained a statistically significant correlation with ASDs. Most of these are related to social issues. The rest of the questions (44) have small or nonexistent relation to ASDs. 8 of these are psychic questions that have a small correlation to ASDs. That leaves about 36 questions.



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09 Sep 2007, 9:39 am

My score was pretty much the same as before on the first test:

Thank you for filling out this questionnaire.

Your Aspie score: 164 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 40 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie

For the second test:

Main SPQ-score: 41 of 74

Sub-scores:
Ideas of reference 7 of 9
Excessive social anxiety 7 of 8
Odd beliefs or magical thinking 2 of 7
Unusual perceptual experiences 3 of 9
Odd or eccentric behavior 6 of 7
No close friends 5 of 9
Odd speech 6 of 9
Constricted affect 4 of 8
Suspiciousness 1 of 8

I found some of the questions a little odd. For example, I have had experiences with astrology in that I was very interested in it for a while, took a course and learned to read natal charts. But I don't believe in astrology. For the question about having experiences with the supernatural I put yes but that would be based on another person's assessment, not my own. I don't believe in the supernatural.



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09 Sep 2007, 10:57 am

rdos wrote:
Kind of, but getting nervous making speeches seems to be related to social phobia, which is basically misdiagnosed ASD. On most of the others I do agree.


Getting nervous making speeches is close to universal, even among people with no other trace of social phobia. Social phobia as far as I know is a medical term for extreme shyness, and I have known a lot of people who fit that description and are in no way "misdiagnosed ASD".


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