Vaccines are ineffective and dangerous

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no I don't support dr butt , Ram lol, the saying take it with a grain of salt is:-

In common parlance, if something is to be taken with a grain of salt, it means that a measure of healthy skepticism should be applied regarding a claim; that it should not be blindly accepted and believed without any doubt or reservation.

They is parts that are true & parts that are not natural does not mean safe, in china can't remember the name of the natural medicine but basically it was taken out coz it caused the side effect of hallucinations, also claiming all the junk of immune system dysfunction by vaccines is like throwing everything into 1 bag... Does not always work & you really need to learn how out break's work, before you can understand how to evaluate gaps in outbreaks, take the norovirus that just happened in the uk, that is an example of how outbreaks happen, not about how outbreak's happen it's the fact people normally do not stay home when they should be staying home, & they spread the virus all over the place...

Then you got people who take advantage of natural & really it holds no weight, people spend billions in this industry just like in the Drug industry, some natural products can be more harmful than drug one's due to the fact it can have someone relieving themselves in it...

Also taking supplements, here’s 1 as an example, if you take too much vitamin C in the cap form, your body can stop depositing vit C into hard tissue & dump it into soft tissue; & if you go off for a cancer screening they can mistake this calcium deposit for cancer...

That what you meant by CFS zen http://bacteriality.com/2007/10/06/interview4/

Vaccines are not 100% effective, nor are they claimed to be by reputable sources. However, they have been highly effective, particularly in mass use (ie a large nuber of the population vacinated). For many of the diseases vaccinated for a 70-80% effectiveness rate of prevention is very good when compared to the problems and even death rate associated with them (namely smallpox and polio). Mass vacination has infact virtually wiped out several strainds of nefarious viruses by immuning the population to them. Yes, there can be side effects or potienial hazards, yet these tend to be vary small and the good vastly outweighs the bad.
Further vaccinations do not cause autism or autism spectrom disorders. The evidence goes against that.

It looks like some vaccines are ineffective.

According to CDC, Pertussis epidemic rages in Netherlands despite 96% vaccination rate:

I was merely pointing out that some vaccines are ineffective after I changed my original post at http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt53006.html to "vaccines seem to work 70-80% of the time."

[quote="zendell"]
"I always assumed they would at least test the vaccines first to see whether they work before forcing everyone to take them (you can't enroll children in public schools in the US if you don't vaccinate them). Even if vaccines are somewhat effective, there are risks associated with them. Me not wanting vaccines is no different than you not wanting chelation due to the risks. I think vaccines cause autism and other diseases but I know it hasn't been conclusively proven yet."

First off, they do test vaccines, stringently in most cases, for both effectiveness and risk, especially nowadays.
You are not forced to vaccinate your children. You don't want to vaccinate your child and have no valid exemption, fine homeschool or send your child to a private school that doesn't require it.
You not wanting to vaccinate your child is not not same thing as someone not useing chelation on theirs. The risks and hazards of stripping the body of its medals is much much greater than vaccinating someone. Also, chelation's potientialy harmful effects are restricted to the person undergoing the therapy, unlike with withholding vaccinations. An additional facter which makes vaccinations more effective is mass vaccination. If more people are vaccinated the virus protected against has less people to incubate in and starts dying out. However, if you switch that and more people are unvaccinated than vaccinated, the virus has more places to incubate and spreed, thus getting stronger, mutating and possibly gaining a resistance to the vaccine and treatments which would lower the effective rate and might lead to mass outbreaks, even in those who were vaccinated.
As for your thoughts on vaccines causeing autism, I can not tell you how to think, nor can I force you to look at the evidence. I can disagree with you and inform you that evidence states your thought/belief is wrong, and encourage you to actually do valid research. Not only has your view not "been conclusively proven", it has been basically invalidated. I did the research, studying both sides of the arguement, which is how accurate research is supposed to be done. Based on the evidence, vaccines do not cause autism or autism spectrom disorders. Without getting into the strictly scientific data, basic empirical evidence further goes against your claim. Thimerosal is used anymore, yet rates haven't dropped, the "rise" is still constant. Most people vaccinated for MMR do not have autism. In places where vaccination use dropped autism rates have not dropped and a "rise" is still sited. These facts point against the claim tha vaccines cause autism, even without going into hard scientific data which also goes against the claim.

Thimerosal IS used; Bush vetoed its removal last year.

Just to clear that up.