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Well as far as I know, I never received any vaccine against measles, other than the rubella variety. I got that one in 5th grade. I was never vaccinated against mumps that I know of, and I recall my mother being concerned a few times that I'd caught it, so I don't think I was. I was vaccinated against smallpox.... twice. The first one didn't take, the scab fell off too soon or something. I also got the oral vaccine against polio. I recall that one clearly because I got to eat a sugarcube. It never stopped me from being an Aspie. I guess managing to be one without all those shots just makes me gifted or something.....

Well said Alex. It's very easy cherry pick 'evidence', and ignore studies that contradict your world view. We see this in the War on Drugs propaganda all the time.

But at most, maternal infection could be pinpointed in 10% of cases. And that is the higher statistic in fraternal twin congruence. If maternal infection were so significant, then fraternal and identical twin congruence rates should be closer.

I'm not an expert on this but I think genetics plays a role in susceptibility to infections. Also, what about if a mother passed on a genetic immune system abnormality that led to higher rates of infections with the autism caused by an infection (maybe from a contaminated vaccine given right after birth). I'm not trying to convince you or anyone that autism is caused by a maternal infection. I just think it's possible.

I'm adopted and know my genetic history, so have a unique perspective on the nature/nurture debate in AS causation. I have a pre-disposition to neurological issues on my fathers side of the family, as my grandfather had Parkinsons. IMHO AS is genetic and I had signs of AS before I was vaccinated. We know that the likelihood of having a kid with AS is increased if your partner is also on the spectrum. Just look at the rising stats in Silicon Valley, with geeks getting married and having babies.

Unfortunately there's no evidence in the Cal DDS data that shows that there are more ASD kids in the Silicon valley. The highest numbers of ASD kids are in the uber wealthy, wealthy and merely rich areas of LA.

In areas where rubella is endemic, the rate of autism would depend on how often women with no immunity or poor immunity to rubella get exposed to rubella early in their pregnancies. Usually, if the woman had had rubella as a child she'd have a chance at not passing it on to her child. The much better way of avoiding congenital rubella syndrome (CRS, which causes a lot of bad stuff, not just autism... blindness, deafness, limb deformities and death) is to vaccinate all the kids for it. Then the germ basically dies out as it has here. In Italy they have been dealing with CRS for years and are now just getting on top of it because they just now started vaxing all the kids not just the girls.

There are teratogens that can cause autism, no doubt, but they seem to all be known now. With the possible exception of flu which is just now being looked at... I am a bit doubtful of it since autism births are not as seasonal as schizophrenia births (so I understand)... that is there is a better case to be made for flu infections being a cause of sz than of autism.

Alex. I know I'm new here, but I think it's time to answer the big question. Are you one of the Illuminati ... that is, are you a shape-shifting part reptilian alien as described by David Icke... are you a descendent of reptilian aliens crossed with Alfred the Great and/or Charlemagne??? I mean... I'm lookin' at your avatar and I'm wonderin'.....
We already know that they've pretty much figured out Bill Gates is one of them... uhuh.

I don't understand. How would vaccinating a kid for rubella 2 years after birth (or whenever the MMR is given) prevent congenital rubella syndrome that would occur before the vaccine was given?

There's on big fat flaw with the Lyme-autism idea. Lyme (as opposed to flu) has a whole slew of quacks out there pushing it and they have their own fake lab test that will find "Lyme" in everyone they test. Amazing! Even in areas where the Lyme disease isn't living in ticks, etc, they can find victims... because their test is... fraudulent. Yup.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2192611.stm

I know, I've heard about it of course. Its just not there in the Cal DDS data, and it's not there in the school data either, from what I remember. The DDS data covers kids and adults, the school data just age 3 to 21.

The Cal school (IDEA) data is available online and can be viewed by county if I recall.

I have no idea where the concept of more autistics in Silicon valley came from. I've never seen it supported with a citation.

The massive numbers of autistics in California we keep hearing about are obviously heavily situated in the urban areas of SoCal, and concentrated more in the wealthy urban areas as opposed to the poverty stricken urban areas (that would have more pollution logically).

And in the areas with loads of autistics, they have a dearth of kids with MR... meaning... they are substituting autism for MR.

What's funny is that the same (dumb) group of people who accuse me of being a shill for (wealthy) big pharma, mock me for being poor.

Go figure.

And I am poor, so I guess that means Big Pharma is really cheap.

Any evidence to back that up? Most docs use the CDC surveillance criteria which the CDC admits shouldn't be used for a diagnosis. The CDC then supports the IDSA which recently stated that the CDC surveillance criteria must be used to diagnose Lyme disease. I believe their criteria results in many false negatives in people who have had Lyme for more than a couple years. I believe ILADS uses the Western Blot interpreted using the latest scientific research which results in far less false negatives and more accurate diagnoses of Lyme disease. It seems someone doesn't want us to know that Lyme is far more common than government groups (including the IDSA) admit. I wonder if it has to do with the first case of Lyme being diagnosed just a few miles from the docks to a federal research lab called Plum Island that some allege was studying tick-born disease at the time? I believe a government site listed Lyme among pathogens studied as possible biological warfare agents. Check out the Lyme corruption at http://www.actionlyme.org.

autism_diva, I'm starting to think maybe you are a shill working for the government instead of Big Pharma. lol.

The thing is, that anyone who accuses anyone else of being a shill for big pharma MUST be a shill for Conway, Homer and Chin-Caplan or maybe this Tom Powers, the obnoxious, whinging but very wealthy (multimillionaire) guy is paying you?

http://www.wdolaw.com/attorneys/tom_powers.htm

Of course, only the worst of the shark shills will deny it.

You can tune in to the omnibus hearing transcripts and listen or read Powers simper and pout about being picked on by bloggers. ??? Poor fellow. Poor, poor wealthy ambulance chaser types. Poor little sharks.

One thing I am noticing from the debates here (and feel free to correct me if I am wrong as always) is a difference in philosophies towards AS in the US as opposed to the UK & Australia. My gut says the US is putting more effort into prevention and chemical treatment whereas the UK and Oz seem to be more into CBT, providing supportive environments, and individual learning styles. Does anyone else agree?