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07 Mar 2008, 8:46 pm

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No offence to that new guy who just posted asking what it meant. Its been annoying me for a while now. We're all human beings, just different. Getting upset with people cause they're "normal" won't get you anywhere.
I'm not upset, I just want something short to use when I'm referring to somebody without any special needs. I didn't mean to be offensive :pale:


Boring? 8O
lol, though I know lots of "normal" people who are very interesting and like me for who I am!


I was kidding - I don't like to hang negative tags on people. I live with depression - some jerk at work asked me if what I was eating was a prozac cookie. :evil:
I hate people like that. I think there should be a jerk disorder which explains why people are so mean sometimes.


There is a disorder, it's called bullying, and they have their own set of symptoms and issues. ;)


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08 Mar 2008, 9:14 am

Just to go back a few pages...

Benjamin, firstly there is nothing contradictory in the statement you pointed out.

Seconly: PC brigade means "Politically Correct" Brigade.

Same people that might insist on saying "Someone who has Autism" rather than "Autistic" and claim the latter is insulting while the former is not.



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08 Mar 2008, 10:34 am

I find the term "NT" very annoying as well. It has been used in a downright hateful fashion on this site and various other AS sites I've visited.

I beg to differ that there is no "normal." It means you function in the world. If you have a disability, you learn compensatory measures and executive function skills. Just as there are developmental milestones children achieve in their first years of life, there are skills we need as adults. I have come to adulthood not being able to drive a car, cook a meal or sew a hem on a dress. The only thing that identifies me as a functional human being is my ability to read, write and work at a job. I feel fortunate that at least I do well in my job. Most people hate their jobs, but I love mine. I not only love the work itself, but I feel a competence that I don't get in other areas of my life.



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08 Mar 2008, 11:39 am

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I find the term "NT" very annoying as well. It has been used in a downright hateful fashion on this site and various other AS sites I've visited.

I beg to differ that there is no "normal." It means you function in the world. If you have a disability, you learn compensatory measures and executive function skills. Just as there are developmental milestones children achieve in their first years of life, there are skills we need as adults. I have come to adulthood not being able to drive a car, cook a meal or sew a hem on a dress. The only thing that identifies me as a functional human being is my ability to read, write and work at a job. I feel fortunate that at least I do well in my job. Most people hate their jobs, but I love mine. I not only love the work itself, but I feel a competence that I don't get in other areas of my life.


Thats good to hear :) I hope I can find a job I enjoy


No Izaak, i'm not some pollitically person, far from it actually! Like I said, its just really annoying when I see people on here using nt's in every sentence and talking about them with such hate.



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08 Mar 2008, 11:56 am

NT eNTropy topic

I know on this website there have been Aspies who have been treated shamelessly by those on the NT spectrum, and they are bitter as a result. I have compassion for these members.

I have three NT Spectrum children. I usually abbreviate NT Spectrum to NT, as I abbreviate AS Spectrum. My NT children are as different as snowflakes. I have never stepped into the same person twice.

Sometimes I use ironic humor when talking about NTs:
NT=Narrow Typical
NT=Negative Typical
NT=Neuro Tyrant
NT=Not Trying
NT=Nasty Tricksters
NT=Not tangible
NT=Ninja Turtles

And so on. Make up your own. :lol:


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08 Mar 2008, 1:07 pm

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NT=Ninja Turtles


LOL! The first thing that came to mind when I read that was slow mutants. A bit harsh on my part, but the first thing nonetheless!


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08 Mar 2008, 1:10 pm

NT? Isnt that a branch of the Australian special forces?



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09 Mar 2008, 1:34 am

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I took the NT to mean society in general or non-autistic people (outsiders to this site I guess). The only way I can see a word to have a negative value is when people decide to percieve it as such whether in how they use the word or how they absorb the meaning of it when reading or hearing it used by someone else. If you really think about it, words are simply a pattern of letters, so there is really no way a word itself can be negative. This has been my argument about cuss words too cause I think that's just stupid (like how the FCC won't let you say the F word but sex which means the same exact thing is okay to say on the radio). But, I guess we live in an "NT" world, and that's their logic...right? :roll:


There’s more to it than just the word itself though. The context of words is important. Words that categorize people into groups become pejorative when they are overused in a negative context. “NT” has become increasingly pejorative on sites like this because it’s so often used in association with anger and belittling remarks. The more often people say negative things about non-autistic people while using the word NT the more negative the word will become, even by itself. That’s just what happens with language. It’s the same thing that causes racial slurs become pejorative. If racial slurs were always used in a positive manner they would cease to be slurs.



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09 Mar 2008, 1:50 am

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How about saying decent people, and jerks, instead of using the NT label. If NTs are supposed to be demons, does that mean that people with disabilities are all angels? That's ridiculous. People can be pleasant, or nasty, whether they have a disability, or not.


Exactly!



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09 Mar 2008, 7:18 am

I think NT is a perfectly legitimate way to identify someone who is not on the autism spectrum. Sometimes people abuse the term to mean something derogatory, but some people also use the term autistic in a derogatory way. The literal use of the word is still useful even if people abuse it sometimes.



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09 Mar 2008, 7:24 am

I don't use 'NT' because I'm "upset" or trying to disassociate myself from them; I use it because it's true. My twin brother is NT, and I can't get any less disassociated than that... unless we were siamese twins.

I'm not sure if I'd call someone 'NT' to their face, as even if they know what it means, it could still sound as if I'm labelling and alienating them. However, it is still a perfectly legitimate word to use. It has a real and reasonable meaning, it's not just somekind of derogatory slang.



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09 Mar 2008, 11:19 am

I don't think I can ever find a situation where I could use "nt", unless it was to tell people on this site to stop using the word so frequently or so hideously! :evil:



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09 Mar 2008, 11:49 am

What is so hideous about 'NT'? I'll say it if I need to. It's not my fault that some people abuse it or otherwise see it in the wrong light. The only problem I see is that it can be too easy to label and stereotype people, but I trust that the person I'm speaking to has the intelligence/understanding to know that 'NT/neurotypical' is a valid description, not bigoted slang.

I know my brother and friends are neurotypical, but does that mean I think they are bad people and don't have their own unique personalities? NO!



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10 Mar 2008, 10:34 am

SDFarsight wrote:
What is so hideous about 'NT'? I'll say it if I need to. It's not my fault that some people abuse it or otherwise see it in the wrong light. The only problem I see is that it can be too easy to label and stereotype people, but I trust that the person I'm speaking to has the intelligence/understanding to know that 'NT/neurotypical' is a valid description, not bigoted slang.

I know my brother and friends are neurotypical, but does that mean I think they are bad people and don't have their own unique personalities? NO!


There's no need to use the flipping phrase at all. We are all people, and we as in aspies have aspergers, they have nothing! There's no need to call them anything!



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10 Mar 2008, 11:11 am

benjimanbreeg wrote:
There's no need to use the flipping phrase at all. We are all people, and we as in aspies have aspergers, they have nothing! There's no need to call them anything!


So what are we meant to do if we refer to people not on the spectrum? How are we supposed to call them nothing?

If I find myself the only aspie amongst a group of [value=0]s
at a party, how am I supposed to mix with them?

The ______s at work were all gathered in a boardroom for the meeting when I came in...

My brother is a ( ) where as I am an aspie.. How do I improve my relationship with him?


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10 Mar 2008, 12:03 pm

zen_mistress wrote:
benjimanbreeg wrote:
There's no need to use the flipping phrase at all. We are all people, and we as in aspies have aspergers, they have nothing! There's no need to call them anything!


So what are we meant to do if we refer to people not on the spectrum? How are we supposed to call them nothing?

If I find myself the only aspie amongst a group of [value=0]s
at a party, how am I supposed to mix with them?

The other members of staff at work were all gathered in a boardroom for the meeting when I came in...

My brother is a ( person) where as I am another person, but with AS How do I improve my relationship with him?


Call them by their name

Erm, make sure you have friends there at the party. I just stay away from stuff like that more than often. My medication has helped me to mix with people better.
I don't know your brother, so how am I meant to know that, depends what he's like?