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26 Jul 2008, 7:11 pm

2ukenkerl

Okay, I see the source of confusion. :)

Like many Americans (a legacy of your education system and media, I suspect), you apparently view everything through the lens of US-centric insularity and react accordingly, assuming that to be the only possible context for the discussion.

I don't have a problem with that kind of tunnel vision per se -- especially in a forum for Aspies! -- but it might be helpful in avoiding misunderstanding to bear in mind that the Internet is global. Things occasionally happen in the wider world outside US borders.

Otherwise you run the risk of being viewed and dismissed by many non-US citizens as just another ignorant/arrogant (same basic meaning, just different spellings) "ugly American". (An observation only, not an accusation.)

(And no, I'm certainly not anti-American. I have imediate family who are US citizens.)

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26 Jul 2008, 7:48 pm

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2ukenkerl

Okay, I see the source of confusion. :)

Like many Americans (a legacy of your education system and media, I suspect), you apparently view everything through the lens of US-centric insularity and react accordingly, assuming that to be the only possible context for the discussion.

I don't have a problem with that kind of tunnel vision per se -- especially in a forum for Aspies! -- but it might be helpful in avoiding misunderstanding to bear in mind that the Internet is global. Things occasionally happen in the wider world outside US borders.

Otherwise you run the risk of being viewed and dismissed by many non-US citizens as just another ignorant/arrogant (same basic meaning, just different spellings) "ugly American". (An observation only, not an accusation.)

(And no, I'm certainly not anti-American. I have imediate family who are US citizens.)

John


I am WELL aware that the internet is international. In the early ninties, I downloaded Linux off of Linus' school's server in FINLAND! I wrote emails to an aunt and Uncle in Denmark. In just my PMs on this system I have written to Germany, Poland, the UK, etc... A few years ago I chatted with people in Greece and Holland. More than that, I studied networking over a decade earlier, and setup a network at home, so I am well aware of how it works. Forgive me if SOMETIMES I don't specify the US, or convert feet to meters or pounds to kilos. I often DO.

Still, I don't know what relevance that has to the topic at hand. Oh yeah, ignorant and arrogant don't mean the same thing. And WHY do you state the apparent slights at aspies? Is THAT P.C.?



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27 Jul 2008, 12:24 pm

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Never understood PC to be a Democrat's term; it's used by those of every political stripe in my experience. Curious why you have the association? Perhaps their support of affirmative action policies? Your thoughts on restructuring are interesting, although I have serious doubts as to their viability and practicality... can agree on minimum basic health care, and on a level of education - although I think that system needs to be tossed with the bathwater and re-initiated - and want a tax system that is based on economic development and financial responsibility... that those with the most often end up paying less than those making a fraction as much is a travesty. We also have some marked differences... minimum wage, while your ideal is noble, is what those at the bottom rung make. If you want to mark a difference, have a student wage (perhaps offsetting your educational program) and an adult minimum living wage for some/most job paths. Just a thought... it's hard to discuss when the content is ranting, but there are some interesting core ideas.


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I don't think you could call THAT post a rant. Oh well. For the PC/democrat link, YEAH Affirmative Action, illegal immigrant, Gay, Assault weapons, Social Security TRUST FUND, BUDGET SURPLUS etc... just some terms that are really INcorrect, but used as "P.C.' terms. That last one is REALLY interesting, as they LITERALLY LAUGH at anyone expecting it to have the aspects of a trust fund, even though even Bill Clintons Budget called it that!

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Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a term used to describe language, ideas, policies, or behavior seen as seeking to minimize offense to gender, racial, cultural, disabled, aged or other identity groups. Conversely, the term "politically incorrect" is used to refer to language or ideas that may cause offense or that are unconstrained by orthodoxy.

The term itself and its usage are controversial. The term "political correctness" is used almost exclusively in a pejorative sense,[1][2] while "politically incorrect" is commonly used as an implicitly positive self-description


In other words, P.C. is like the SOCIAL SECURITY TRUST FUND! The SSTF is NOT a fund, NOT a trust fund, and secures ONLY the politicians social status. My mother is on Social Security, and struggling JUST TO MAKE RENT! Still, it "is a term used to describe .. [an] idea [or].. policy ... seen as seeking to minimize offense to [affected] ... groups.


If you're not ranting than what the heck are you doing? Stop equating political correctness with democrats. It's not a democratic thing. People of all different political parties do it. I seriously think you came on here and wrote that to stir people up. So I don't even get why I'm responding to you at all. lol



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27 Jul 2008, 12:27 pm

Political correctness sucks! There's way to much of it here in Norway... :(


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27 Jul 2008, 12:31 pm

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Y are you all of a sudden going on a rant about liberals? That seemed to come out of nowhere.


Because PC IS a democrat term.

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And you are making excuses for the KKK and the nazis? I certainly hope you aren't serious.


NOPE! Although to dismiss the truth would be silly.

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You want me to say something that may seem very un PC to you. I hate liberal bashers, and you my friend fall under that category.


I doubt I am your friend, or vice/versa, but I expected as much.

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But I'm a registered democrat so supposedly I'm supposed to be all about being PC. :roll:


Not necessarily, but it sure sounds like it in your case.


Ummm yeah I'm being PC by saying I hate liberal bashers. There's a difference between being unnecessarily PC and being prejudiced. You my friend (and no you are not my friend, I'm being sarcastic!), are being prejudice. You came out of nowhere and attacked all people in a certain group when no one was even talking about liberals or democrats! PC is not a democratic term. Wake up! Most people would say I am being a little too loud here but I see no reason to be respectful towards people who are full of hate speech like you.



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27 Jul 2008, 1:00 pm

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2ukenkerl

Okay, I see the source of confusion. :)

Like many Americans (a legacy of your education system and media, I suspect), you apparently view everything through the lens of US-centric insularity and react accordingly, assuming that to be the only possible context for the discussion.

I don't have a problem with that kind of tunnel vision per se -- especially in a forum for Aspies! -- but it might be helpful in avoiding misunderstanding to bear in mind that the Internet is global. Things occasionally happen in the wider world outside US borders.

Otherwise you run the risk of being viewed and dismissed by many non-US citizens as just another ignorant/arrogant (same basic meaning, just different spellings) "ugly American". (An observation only, not an accusation.)

(And no, I'm certainly not anti-American. I have imediate family who are US citizens.)

John



I live in Hollywood, California. People here in America have a twisted view of my hometown sometimes. So, I believe that it is safe to assume that people around the world have an even more twisted view of my entire country!

I almost feel like the 21st century started and everyone around me completely spazed out! Couldn't handle it! Wanted something safe. Like... 1300! HAHAHAHAHAHA


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27 Jul 2008, 1:18 pm

I'm not politically correct, I can't help it.

I use words that other people understand very differently from me all the time. I called a teacher's behaviour antisocial, but didn't know it had more meanings than the literal 'preventing efficient social relationship'.

And one time, a teacher who's gotten me into a disciplinary affair claimed I had said something about her weight. That was incorrect, so I said I had called her stupid but not fat as she is. I didn't know weight was a touchy issue.

So... I'm probably not politically correct at all.

I have no idea what's politically correct and what's not until people try to lynch me for what I said.


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27 Jul 2008, 2:08 pm

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I'm not politically correct, I can't help it.

I use words that other people understand very differently from me all the time. I called a teacher's behaviour antisocial, but didn't know it had more meanings than the literal 'preventing efficient social relationship'.

And one time, a teacher who's gotten me into a disciplinary affair claimed I had said something about her weight. That was incorrect, so I said I had called her stupid but not fat as she is. I didn't know weight was a touchy issue.

So... I'm probably not politically correct at all.

I have no idea what's politically correct and what's not until people try to lynch me for what I said.


Well the thing is it's hard to tell because different people have different weak spots, and we don't know what someone's weak spot is until they tell us. Not everyone is touchy about weight actually, only certain people are.

My bf is black, and lives in a black neighborhood, and most blacks I know don't have any issue with being called black. Plus calling someone African American doesn't really work because not all black people are African American.

Also some little people don't have any problem with the term "midget" and some would rather be called "midget" than "little person". When I think about it "little person" is actually worse than calling someone a "midget" because it's passive agressive and actually (probably unintentionally) sounds like calling someone less of a person then someone who is of average height.

This is a very interesting topic and I'm glad the OP brought it up.



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27 Jul 2008, 4:08 pm

Fossy wrote:
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I'm not politically correct, I can't help it.

I use words that other people understand very differently from me all the time. I called a teacher's behaviour antisocial, but didn't know it had more meanings than the literal 'preventing efficient social relationship'.

And one time, a teacher who's gotten me into a disciplinary affair claimed I had said something about her weight. That was incorrect, so I said I had called her stupid but not fat as she is. I didn't know weight was a touchy issue.

So... I'm probably not politically correct at all.

I have no idea what's politically correct and what's not until people try to lynch me for what I said.


Well the thing is it's hard to tell because different people have different weak spots, and we don't know what someone's weak spot is until they tell us. Not everyone is touchy about weight actually, only certain people are.


I actually HATE it when I have a failing, and people mention it VERY late in the game. I am heavyset, but wouldn't mind people saying so.

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My bf is black, and lives in a black neighborhood, and most blacks I know don't have any issue with being called black. Plus calling someone African American doesn't really work because not all black people are African American.


Still, I remember in the 70s when people alked on eggshells wondering what to call blacks. Gee, whites aren't really white. Why should blacks be upset with such a term. FINALLY though, a P.C. advocate reveals that african american isn't an adequate term! Some blacks even say "people of color", but they MEAN black though the term may be taken to mean non whites.

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Also some little people don't have any problem with the term "midget" and some would rather be called "midget" than "little person". When I think about it "little person" is actually worse than calling someone a "midget" because it's passive agressive and actually (probably unintentionally) sounds like calling someone less of a person then someone who is of average height.


Again, midget sometimes fits, and little person is misleading. Heck, outside of SOCIETY(like problems AS people have), and some comorbids(like AS people have), being small isn't that bad. If you should fall, there is less distance, and you can have smaller homes, etc... Still, they apparently TEND to prefer "little people".

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This is a very interesting topic and I'm glad the OP brought it up.


:roll:



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27 Jul 2008, 4:16 pm

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Name calling such as n***** is like a strawman, and denies the legitimacy and validity of what an African American is saying.


Actually, that's ad hominem. A strawman is a very specific fallacy.



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27 Jul 2008, 5:10 pm

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Name calling such as n***** is like a strawman, and denies the legitimacy and validity of what an African American is saying.


Actually, that's ad hominem. A strawman is a very specific fallacy.


Strawman is misrepresentation of another's argument. Logic should be a core subject in school. Logic is a sign of no emotion. Therefore I am advocating not having emotion. Thus strawman is built and torn down.



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27 Jul 2008, 7:33 pm

2ukenkerl wrote:
Fossy wrote:
Sora wrote:
I'm not politically correct, I can't help it.

I use words that other people understand very differently from me all the time. I called a teacher's behaviour antisocial, but didn't know it had more meanings than the literal 'preventing efficient social relationship'.

And one time, a teacher who's gotten me into a disciplinary affair claimed I had said something about her weight. That was incorrect, so I said I had called her stupid but not fat as she is. I didn't know weight was a touchy issue.

So... I'm probably not politically correct at all.

I have no idea what's politically correct and what's not until people try to lynch me for what I said.


Well the thing is it's hard to tell because different people have different weak spots, and we don't know what someone's weak spot is until they tell us. Not everyone is touchy about weight actually, only certain people are.


I actually HATE it when I have a failing, and people mention it VERY late in the game. I am heavyset, but wouldn't mind people saying so.

Fossy wrote:
My bf is black, and lives in a black neighborhood, and most blacks I know don't have any issue with being called black. Plus calling someone African American doesn't really work because not all black people are African American.


Still, I remember in the 70s when people alked on eggshells wondering what to call blacks. Gee, whites aren't really white. Why should blacks be upset with such a term. FINALLY though, a P.C. advocate reveals that african american isn't an adequate term! Some blacks even say "people of color", but they MEAN black though the term may be taken to mean non whites.

Fossy wrote:
Also some little people don't have any problem with the term "midget" and some would rather be called "midget" than "little person". When I think about it "little person" is actually worse than calling someone a "midget" because it's passive agressive and actually (probably unintentionally) sounds like calling someone less of a person then someone who is of average height.


Again, midget sometimes fits, and little person is misleading. Heck, outside of SOCIETY(like problems AS people have), and some comorbids(like AS people have), being small isn't that bad. If you should fall, there is less distance, and you can have smaller homes, etc... Still, they apparently TEND to prefer "little people".

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This is a very interesting topic and I'm glad the OP brought it up.


:roll:


Well maybe if you had read when I said I wasn't a PC advocate (I believe I stated this several times.) :roll: I don't think it's necessary all of the time, and I've found a lot of circumstances when it wasn't necessary.

Do you actually read what anybody writes if it doesn't correlate exactly with your own opinion? Obviously you didn't read my post. I said that it's different for different people. The "midget" example was me saying that not all "little people" find the term offensive, thus it is different for different people. And what you wrote seems to imply that I said something different.

Are you trying to turn this into a personal argument between you and I because I'm really not answering you anymore since you don't read what I write or what most of the people on this thread have written and I actually didn't expect you to read what I wrote. :roll: Stop flaming me please.



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27 Jul 2008, 8:02 pm

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Well maybe if you had read when I said I wasn't a PC advocate (I believe I stated this several times.) :roll: I don't think it's necessary all of the time, and I've found a lot of circumstances when it wasn't necessary.

Do you actually read what anybody writes if it doesn't correlate exactly with your own opinion? Obviously you didn't read my post. I said that it's different for different people.


I was paying more attention to what you said, rather than claimed

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The "midget" example was me saying that not all "little people" find the term offensive, thus it is different for different people. And what you wrote seems to imply that I said something different.


I never claimed that! I was stating what I say on various shows. There is a CONVENTION! You see, I DID actually watch a whole show about it from THEIR point of view. I have seen several shows. They spoke of hardships, TYPES of dwarfs/midgets, bullying, etc... They even showed one girl getting her extremities extended so she could seem more normal, and problems dating.

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Are you trying to turn this into a personal argument between you and I because I'm really not answering you anymore since you don't read what I write or what most of the people on this thread have written and I actually didn't expect you to read what I wrote. :roll: Stop flaming me please.


Certainly NOT!



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27 Jul 2008, 8:09 pm

I'm pretty un- PC.

It really annoys my sister.



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27 Jul 2008, 8:20 pm

I'm un-PC about religion, emotion and our species. Deal with it. Or not. I don't care.

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03 Aug 2015, 6:29 pm

about a couple of years after my diagnosis with Asperger's, which was shortly after the holidays, I hated anything religious-sounding about Christmas, including the word Christmas itself. I soon changed the label on my box of Christmas Decorations to Holiday Decorations. I no longer wanted to sing carols that mention Jesus or God. About five years after my diagnosis, I felt very depressed and made black paper snowflakes and put small toy animals with hangman's nooses on my tree. But by the second year I decided to ease off a little because Christmas decorations and trees aren't supposed to be dreary and depressing. Although The Nightmare Before Christmas has the best of both worlds, I guess. Now I tend to get heavily annoyed when other people say "holiday" instead of Christmas and think even angels shouldn't be displayed in public "holiday" trees. I wouldn't flip out if I saw a giant glowing manora candle on someone's lawn.

Actually it's not that extreme where I live. Most people here put up a tree and give out presents at Christmas. But I still don't want the religious meaning of the holiday pushed down my throat. I've never even gone to Midnight Mass. As a kid, my parents would take my brother and me to see our grandparents and relatives on Christmas Eve instead, which I think was a lot better than just sitting in a church.