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07 Aug 2008, 6:57 pm

if im not getting my knowledge confused here, my mom told me that im from the side of Poe's family that changed their name to Poer to be disassociated with him *nod nod* the whole family has had a strange streak, so, so much for disassociating themselves with him :wink:


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08 Aug 2008, 1:12 am

I'm a direct descendant of Henry "Light Horse Harry" Lee from his second marriage (his first wife was his cousin).



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08 Aug 2008, 1:19 am

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if im not getting my knowledge confused here, my mom told me that im from the side of Poe's family that changed their name to Poer to be disassociated with him *nod nod* the whole family has had a strange streak, so, so much for disassociating themselves with him :wink:


your family thought to be known as The Poer was a better name?

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08 Aug 2008, 2:02 am

*shrugs* dont ask me, i wasnt there deciding it, nor do i possess any factual evidence to prove it. i just heard it from my mom. i should probably look into it once i gain the time to do so.


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08 Aug 2008, 4:41 pm

I'd love to hear from people descended from the mass of 'foot soldiers' and peasants and struggling ordinary people. Sad how none of them are being recalled by their descendants.



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08 Aug 2008, 4:45 pm

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I'd love to hear from people descended from the mass of 'foot soldiers' and peasants and struggling ordinary people. Strange how none of them can recall their ancestors.


I have Great Great Great Great Great Great Uncle Chubb the Smelly. Born with webbed toes. He died of the plague :(
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08 Aug 2008, 5:56 pm

well, my grandfather as many greats as it takes to get back to 1703 settled among Huguenots refugees in Central Pennsylvania. He was just a regular slob, as far as I know A nice French family that took the Anglicized name of 'Free' were shipwrecked on their voyage across the Atlantic and found my so many greats grandfather as an infant floating along in a basket.
They did not know who's family the child was, probably born on the voyage. They took him in, adopted him and christened him Benjamin Franklin Free. On my mother's side.


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oh, yeah, and another great granpa on my dad's side was hung from a yardarm in 1779 for running slaving ships to America out of Guinea or somewhere. I remember having been fascinated (and schocked!) by this information!


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08 Aug 2008, 9:04 pm

Great Grandfather, recieved George cross for stopping train bomb exploding in Soham, no sense of danger. Remarked "I done my best." Eloquent.

We're Thomson’s from the Campbell’s "Ne obliviscaris" ("Do not forget") Scottish roots, so perhaps something to dig out there, though it’s not a hobby. I suppose going on family humour, scientist and inventor William Thomson "Lord Kelvin." Whether we are relations, I highly doubt. However, upon breif enquiry, I found the following amusing...

"Thomson somehow let the meaning of 'recovery' escape him. Therefrom came his troubles. He seems to have been so obsessed by his initial difficulties that he put the emphasis on irreversibility and on conservation of energy, missing 'all the rest.'

Thomson's ability as a lecturer was less impressive -

As a lecturer he was rather prone to let his subject run away with him. When this happened, limits of time became of small account, and his audience, understanding but little of what he was saying, were feign to content themselves with admiring the restless vivacity of his manner (which was rather emphasized than otherwise by the slight lameness from which he suffered) and the keen zest with which he revelled in the intricacies of the matter in hand."



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09 Aug 2008, 10:18 am

My great-great-grandmother was Julia Ward Howe, who wrote "The Battle Hymn of the Republic."

On my mother's side, I am descended from (and named for) Edward Winslow, who came over on the Mayflower and was the governor of Plymouth Colony.


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09 Aug 2008, 11:31 am

ablomov wrote:
I'd love to hear from people descended from the mass of 'foot soldiers' and peasants and struggling ordinary people. Strange how none of them can recall their ancestors.

My great grand father Adam Widel was a Civil War Veteran, Co. F, 44 Iowa Infantry, born 1833, died 1885
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My girlfriend, is a descendant of Grace O'Malley who was the Pirate Queen in Ireland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_O%27Malley



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09 Aug 2008, 1:05 pm

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My great-great-grandmother was Julia Ward Howe, who wrote "The Battle Hymn of the Republic."
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well, just her version of the words, which are another version of an old song.

as I was Methodist raised we sang it as "Say, Brothers, will you Meet Us" as a camp meeting hymn and as a Kansan, we sang "John Brown's Body" John Brown was a Fiery Kansan that was the philosophical dividing line of being against slavery in "bleeding Kansas" during the Civil War. A lot of Kansans believed like the Southern leaning Missouri and many Northerners (i.e. Boston) immigrated to Kansas to rally the non slave holders. Even in the 1950's Kansans asked their each other if they were "Square on the Goose" (meaning if they were for slavery, or against it.)


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09 Aug 2008, 1:11 pm

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ed wrote:
My great-great-grandmother was Julia Ward Howe, who wrote "The Battle Hymn of the Republic."
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well, just her version of the words, which are another version of an old song.

as I was Methodist raised we sang it as "Say, Brothers, will you Meet Us" as a camp meeting hymn and as a Kansan, we sang "John Brown's Body" John Brown was a Fiery Kansan that was the philosophical dividing line of being against slavery in "bleeding Kansas" during the Civil War. A lot of Kansans believed like the Southern leaning Missouri and many Northerners (i.e. Boston) immigrated to Kansas to rally the non slave holders. Even in the 1950's Kansans asked their each other if they were "Square on the Goose" (meaning if they were for slavery, or against it.)


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Wikipedia: The tune was written around 1855 by William Steffe


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09 Aug 2008, 1:20 pm

ed wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
ed wrote:
My great-great-grandmother was Julia Ward Howe, who wrote "The Battle Hymn of the Republic."
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well, just her version of the words, which are another version of an old song.

as I was Methodist raised we sang it as "Say, Brothers, will you Meet Us" as a camp meeting hymn and as a Kansan, we sang "John Brown's Body" John Brown was a Fiery Kansan that was the philosophical dividing line of being against slavery in "bleeding Kansas" during the Civil War. A lot of Kansans believed like the Southern leaning Missouri and many Northerners (i.e. Boston) immigrated to Kansas to rally the non slave holders. Even in the 1950's Kansans asked their each other if they were "Square on the Goose" (meaning if they were for slavery, or against it.)


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Wikipedia: The tune was written around 1855 by William Steffe

but you forgot to credit the rest of that paragraph, ed.
The hymn is often attributed to William Steffe, though Steffe's role would have been almost certainly transcriber of a commonly sung tune and text that had arisen through a folk tradition, rather than as composer Claims of authorship of the tune have also been made on behalf of Thomas Brigham Bishop and Frank E. Jerome among others.

Some researchers have claimed the tune's roots go back to a "Negro folk song" [7], an African-American wedding song from Georgia[8], or to a British sea chantey that originated as a Swedish drinking song.[9] Given that the tune was developed in an oral tradition, it is impossible to say for certain which of these influences may have played a specific role in the creation of this tune, but it is certain that numerous folk influences from different cultures such as these were prominent in the musical culture of the camp meeting, and that such influences were freely combined in the music-making that took place in the revival movement.[10] It has been suggested that "Say Brothers, Will You Meet Us", popular among Southern blacks, already had an anti-slavery sub-text


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09 Aug 2008, 1:31 pm

Quote:
Battle Hymn of the Republic
by Julia Ward Howe

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord:
He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored;
He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword:
His truth is marching on.

I have seen Him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps,
They have builded Him an altar in the evening dews and damps;
I can read His righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps:
His day is marching on.

I have read a fiery gospel writ in burnished rows of steel:
"As ye deal with my contemners, so with you my grace shall deal;
Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with His heel,
Since God is marching on."

He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat;
He is sifting out the hearts of men before His judgment-seat:
Oh, be swift, my soul, to answer Him! be jubilant, my feet!
Our God is marching on.

In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea,
With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me:
As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free,
While God is marching on.

He is coming like the glory of the morning on the wave,
He is Wisdom to the mighty, He is Succour to the brave,
So the world shall be His footstool, and the soul of Time His slave,
Our God is marching on.



(from Wikipedia)

These words are slightly different from those she originally wrote; I actually prefer the original. The 4th verse in particular, the second line is completely different. It went:

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He has sounded out the trumpet that shall never call retreat
He has waked the earth's dull sorrow with a high ecstatic beat
Oh! Be swift my soul to answer him, be jubilant my feet
Our God is marching on.


The sixth verse is never sung; this is the first time I've even seen the words.
The third verse is seldom sung, as it is so anti-South.
It's always amazed me that it is sung in Christian churches, for it is truly a "Battle Hymn"


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09 Aug 2008, 1:37 pm

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but you forgot to credit the rest of that paragraph, ed.
The hymn is often attributed to William Steffe, though Steffe's role would have been almost certainly transcriber of a commonly sung tune and text that had arisen through a folk tradition, rather than as composer Claims of authorship of the tune have also been made on behalf of Thomas Brigham Bishop and Frank E. Jerome among others.

Some researchers have claimed the tune's roots go back to a "Negro folk song" [7], an African-American wedding song from Georgia[8], or to a British sea chantey that originated as a Swedish drinking song.[9] Given that the tune was developed in an oral tradition, it is impossible to say for certain which of these influences may have played a specific role in the creation of this tune, but it is certain that numerous folk influences from different cultures such as these were prominent in the musical culture of the camp meeting, and that such influences were freely combined in the music-making that took place in the revival movement.[10] It has been suggested that "Say Brothers, Will You Meet Us", popular among Southern blacks, already had an anti-slavery sub-text


Here is the entire paragraph:

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The tune was written around 1855 by William Steffe. The lyrics at that time were alternately called "Canaan's Happy Shore" or "Brothers, Will You Meet Me?" and the song was sung as a campfire spiritual. The tune spread across the United States, taking on many sets of new lyrics.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Hym ... e_Republic


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10 Aug 2008, 8:23 am

There's nothing notesworthy in my immediate family. But my last name, Serrano, comes from a Roman guy, Aulo Atilio Serrano (here Serrano means "sierra dweller"), who was praetor in Spain around 190 BCE.