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19 Aug 2008, 1:48 pm

Good point MemberSix and that's why it's better at all times, if possible, to remain sheltered. It really is too cruel.



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19 Aug 2008, 1:53 pm

Or I should say it can be too cruel. It all depends of course on a person's originating environment - and which they have no control over I might add.



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19 Aug 2008, 2:03 pm

corroonb wrote:
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I don't consider being autistic a curse. I like it a lot. I don't have many deleterious symptoms apart from my social awkwardness (I'm learning). I enjoy my obsessions and I enjoy having very sharp senses.

In short If someone offered me a cure to my autism, I would refuse.

What about a one-week cure ?
You know - a kind of holiday in NT-land, just to see what it's like ?


No. I would probably not be as "intelligent" if I was an NT. My time alone helps me to think more and read more than social people. I do like to exchange views on the net but in real life people talk about mostly boring crap.

But your sensibilities would be changed, so you wouldn't find the same things boring.

Aren't you even slightly curious ?

Or are you concerned that it might make your ASD seem like a curse ?


I am not curious at all. I'm very familiar with NT behaviour. I read their books, play their games, watch their movies and talk to them every day.

Why would my ASD be a curse? I am intelligent, well-behaved and I will be successful in the near future. I have a university degree if that is an indication of "success".

I can learn to communicate better but so can most NTs.

You may be familiar with NT behaviour - but you're not familiar with being NT.
You seem to regard them as the same thing.

If you were to experience neurotypicality, you could make an objective judgment on how much of a curse AS actually is.

What if you found your intelligence, good behaviour and success greatly enhanced by neurotypicality ?

I doubt that NT's are really that concerned about how effectively they can communicate with you, as it's unlikely that they feel any great urge to 'improve' things.



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19 Aug 2008, 2:14 pm

I think it'd be interesting to be NT for a short time. It would be, I think, a lot like having somebody else's memories in your head afterwards. Maybe it would help me to understand them a bit better.


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19 Aug 2008, 2:22 pm

Despite the challenges, I have no desire to experience what it would be like to be an NT. I may be biased but for the most part, they seem incredibly insensitive, cruel, sarcastic, egotistical, macho, abrasive, etc., etc. I'd rather be left behind than compete in that type of environment. It's lonely but I'd rather be lonely than be some of these things. I'm sure there are good things too, but right now I'm not seeing it. I never have and I probably never will.



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19 Aug 2008, 2:23 pm

I don't consider the autism a curse, just the way people treat me because of it a curse.



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19 Aug 2008, 2:25 pm

To me, having AS has its good and bad sides. I hate meltdowns and limitations and I get really frustrated with them sometimes. On the other hand, I'm happy that I can see things from a different perspective, react differently than other people and find solutions they can't see. It's frustrating to not be able to do things that come so easy and natural to other people, but on the other hand it's great to have skills that few other people have.

If given a chance to turn into an NT, I wouldn't take it. I'm ok with being different and having AS. It's who I am, it's my reality. If I didn't have AS anymore I wouldn't be me anymore either. I don't think of it as a curse, but maybe as somewhat a challenge.



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19 Aug 2008, 2:26 pm

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Despite the challenges, I have no desire to experience what it would be like to be an NT. I may be biased but for the most part, they seem incredibly insensitive, cruel, sarcastic, egotistical, macho, abrasive, etc., etc. I'd rather be left behind than compete in that type of environment. It's lonely but I'd rather be lonely than be some of these things. I'm sure there are good things too, but right now I'm not seeing it. I never have and I probably never will.
I think you are a bit biased... but then, I can understand why... If, let's say, no more than one in 10 NTs is the way you describe--who do you notice more, the 1 in 10 who hurts you, or the other 9, who do nothing to distinguish themselves? When somebody is hurt, that memory is strong. There are NTs who aren't that way, though you do have to live with their quirks; and there are ways to approach them without leaving yourself too open to hurt, at least not before you have the measure of them and find out whether or not they will try anything.


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19 Aug 2008, 2:29 pm

Your figures are completely off, for one. And I find it interesting that you defend the NT.

No further comment otherwise.



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19 Aug 2008, 2:33 pm

It seems clear from the responses to "Would you take a one-week NT holiday ?" that Aspies are very partisan ... to the point of regarding the wider NT population as 'the enemy'.
Understandable given the victimisation and bullying that goes on.

But I'm still a BIT surprised that there's SO little interest in experiencing neurotypicality.
I thought Aspies were meant to pride themselves on their intellectuality - and yet here we find so many displaying intellectual incuriosity bordering on stubbornness.



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19 Aug 2008, 2:35 pm

It's just that I've met more than one NT who really wasn't all that bad... They communicate in an awfully roundabout manner; they have interests that frankly bore me; they'll tell lies when they think it's better than telling the truth; they're horrible about gossip and such; but past all the differences, most of them don't seem to be malicious... in fact, with an NT, the biggest danger isn't malice, but simply not knowing, not thinking. Being in the majority seems to make it easier to go through life without thinking about the rest of the people in the world.


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19 Aug 2008, 2:40 pm

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It's just that I've met more than one NT who really wasn't all that bad... They communicate in an awfully roundabout manner; they have interests that frankly bore me; they'll tell lies when they think it's better than telling the truth; they're horrible about gossip and such; but past all the differences, most of them don't seem to be malicious... in fact, with an NT, the biggest danger isn't malice, but simply not knowing, not thinking. Being in the majority seems to make it easier to go through life without thinking about the rest of the people in the world.

Do you really think that NT's regard the situation as a majority/minority 'them and us' thing ?

Maybe it's an Aspie projection of a refusal to modify natural behaviours.

But NT's don't regard any need to modify behaviour as a relevance to the conduct of everyday life.



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19 Aug 2008, 2:42 pm

I don't mind being called stubborn and malicious doesn't have anything to do with what I was attempting to say. Call me stubborn but I'm really not that curious I guess. It's an interesting idea though I'm sure for some.



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19 Aug 2008, 2:45 pm

Some people don't like being autistic. Some people do.

It's very simple if you accept what people say.



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19 Aug 2008, 2:47 pm

But that is a serious question; who is 'the NT'? It would be as if asking who is 'the autistic person'? So far, I found them all very diverse, sometimes welcoming it, sometimes excluding it. There seems to be no 'the autistic person' at least.

I get along fine with many non-autistic people. I also get along dreadful with many non-autistic people. The 2 perspectives make it hard for me to begin understanding a one-sided view of this neurological group.

I found my (now I know it...) autistic bully also very rude, cruel, ignorant and spiteful.
They figured since they fit the AS profile perfectly, those who had trouble with speech, communication and sensory and thus weren't as super Asperger's were... I don't know what, but not worth to be treated like a person.

Apparently, it's character, not neurology. AS is a neurological condition, too. But not a personal disorder that comes with certain personality traits.

Autistic people can be as sweet as they can be cruel, it's up them as a person (and probably other conditions such as PDs) but not up to their autistic neurology.



About being 'NT' for a day.

I would love to!

I would not though, probably.

I'm very interesting in that perspective, seeing how I am imprisoned in mine (as is everyone in theirs). But the idea of the whole change to it, the change back... I am not sure if my curiosity would manage to win over my issues with changes. Perception would change so drastically with an altered neurological state and I can't function with even a minor change.


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19 Aug 2008, 2:51 pm

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DJRonald, I'm hypersensitive to pain, too, and while it has been a problem in the past (for example, my menstrual periods are so severe that I can't stand up; a cold puts me out of commission because I can't concentrate over the sore throat; and most medication side effects hit me as though they were guided missiles), it also means I am very aware of what is happening to my body. I can tell if I have even so much as a 99-degree fever without a thermometer (that's just under half a degree above normal--the kind that can happen even when you are just exercising). I can tell when I'm getting a cold within four to six hours of being exposed to it (though I've had a couple of false alarms thanks to dust or dehydration); I even know what my digestive system is doing at any given time. I can detect muscle tension and thereby figure out whether or not I'm anxious. I've learned to ward off a tension headache before it happens because it's caused by tension in the muscles of the neck and shoulders.

A not-so-beneficial effect: A very minor injury is enough to pull me out of a meltdown temporarily. Leading to the obvious (and maladaptive) use of deliberate minor injuries.

While this hypersensitivity did predispose me to hypochondria for a while as a little girl, a good study of the human body cured those tendencies; and while I have never had a serious illness, I am quite sure I would detect one quite early were I to ever have one--let's just hope I wouldn't tell myself, "Oh, you're just being a hypochondriac"! That is a good thing because the women of my family tend to get cancer in their 40s or even earlier; and if you catch that early, it's a Good Thing. Some multiple hundred percent increase in survival rates, last I checked.

Silver lining, 's all I'm saying.
You seem to be much more sensistive than I am...
Also: DJRonald? :lol:



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