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27 Aug 2008, 3:34 am

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anyway, i'm now hot and loving it ^.^ lol x


Love it!! !



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27 Aug 2008, 5:02 am

Hi - I date a guy with AS, I'm NT, and I've observed that my AS boyfriend's experience in the world is definitely made more difficult by the way he looks. He's high-functioning, has striking looks (nearly 7ft, waist-length hair) and always stops the conversation when he walks in the room. People turn around to look at him in the street, and it's impossible for him to hide. He also has a superb control of language. Consequently, people expect a lot of him, and get very upset and even angry when he doesn't behave in accordance with the unspoken set of NT 'rules'. They feel let down.

As a result, he sparks a lot of intense interest, then gets marginalised or even shunned by people who think he's been dishonest or duped them. And really, he's just utterly confused by the experience. (What drew me to him initially was a shared interest and his articulate knowledge about it on a forum that we both belong to - he's expanded a whole fascinating world for me in science fiction).

The way I'm helping him to reduce people's annoyance levels is to explain the 'rules of the game' and the assumptions that NTs operate under. The NT 'rules' are shifting and unsteady things to understand, even for NTs, because NTs too are egocentric and come with their own individual peculiarities, but they just hide it better.

It's a mad old world out there!



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27 Aug 2008, 5:11 am

7 feet ?

That's gunna attract a lot of attention !



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27 Aug 2008, 5:32 am

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7 feet ?

That's gunna attract a lot of attention !


It certainly does! He walks along in town with his head in a book, oblivious to surroundings. Pedestrians and cars just flow around him like water around a rock. He only notices cats. It was a hell of a surprise to me when he stood up.

Seriously though - he's mild AS, so seems almost 'normal' to most NTs. Until they notice he doesn't like eye contact, has difficulty with conversation outside his own interests, is unco-ordinated, has a funny tic... It all adds up to an uncongruent experience (that is, all the signals don't match up) for the NTs. As I said before, I'm an NT, and very sensitive to other people's inside unspoken feelings. With most people I can tell what their internal world is like, a bit like tuning into a radio station. With my boyfriend, it's completely different, like listening to white noise between radio stations. This can be very, very disturbing to NTs. We're not sure whether the guy's 'safe' or not. Most, probably all, NTs will comprehend this but not be able to articulate it, they just have a vague feeling he's not right.



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27 Aug 2008, 5:37 am

He reads while walking ?

That's going to attract a fair bit more attention.

Doesn't he trip up a lot ?



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27 Aug 2008, 5:39 am

Oh, and I meant to add - I don't think it's easier to be AS and 'ugly'. Ugly probably attracts the same kind of misunderstanding as handsome does. It's likely easier to be average, neutral, and to blend in. For the broad run of NT's, anything outside the norm, 'not like us', is difficult to deal with. Even NT's who pride themselves on standing out are only joining one herd or another.



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27 Aug 2008, 5:49 am

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He reads while walking ?

That's going to attract a fair bit more attention.

Doesn't he trip up a lot ?


Yes, he does stumble and bump into things sometimes, but not a lot. He bumps into me when he's walking with me. But mostly he's walking regular routes (to work, for example), that he's learned really well, like the number of steps between one street and another. So he's mostly OK.

I just think it's funny that NT's charactarise AS in such a polarised way. Actually, everyone, NTs included, are very egocentric. We just like to fondly imagine we're not so that we can think of ourselves as 'good' and altruistic people. Quite a lot of NT conversations make no sense whatsoever. It's like 2 or more people holding conversations inside their own heads, with their own egos, and imagining they are actually communicating with the person in front of them. It's often not communication at all. I'm an NT, and I get frustrated with it. I imagine it must be very much harder for AS-scale people.



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27 Aug 2008, 7:02 am

When I was in my teens, I looked a lot older than my age, so I seemed to attract a lot of older guys. Mostly it was my very long unstyled hair and my older than usual dress sense. My hair was the first thing that most guys commented on. Other than that, hardly any guys my age thought I was good looking, except my two ex BF's of course, which I dated after high school. Plus I used to wear my hair in the same ponytail everyday.
But when I went out with my mother to various places in the evenings, I wore it down and tickling my butt, which gave me the look of a medieval maiden (no joke).
Nowdays, I don't even notice if someone finds me attractive.
I don't worry about it, but I do know there are things I can do to make myself look better. I just wish things like solariums, gym memberships, hair salons, dietitians and a new wardrobe didn't costs a buttload of money :P

The part of my body that I think is the most unnattractive atm I'd say is my hands. My hands look hideous due to the dry cold weather and me washing them too often. They are so leathery and rough atm its not funny. The 40 year old lady at work has younger looking hands than me :cry:



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27 Aug 2008, 8:05 am

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When I was in my teens, I looked a lot older than my age, so I seemed to attract a lot of older guys. Mostly it was my very long unstyled hair and my older than usual dress sense. My hair was the first thing that most guys commented on. Other than that, hardly any guys my age thought I was good looking, except my two ex BF's of course, which I dated after high school. Plus I used to wear my hair in the same ponytail everyday.
But when I went out with my mother to various places in the evenings, I wore it down and tickling my butt, which gave me the look of a medieval maiden (no joke).
Nowdays, I don't even notice if someone finds me attractive.
I don't worry about it, but I do know there are things I can do to make myself look better. I just wish things like solariums, gym memberships, hair salons, dietitians and a new wardrobe didn't costs a buttload of money :P

The part of my body that I think is the most unnattractive atm I'd say is my hands. My hands look hideous due to the dry cold weather and me washing them too often. They are so leathery and rough atm its not funny. The 40 year old lady at work has younger looking hands than me :cry:

You've gotta use moisturizer, dude.



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27 Aug 2008, 8:56 am

I'm lucky to be a man living in Canada, were women do not flirt but if I hit a club (or a bookstore...), it will happen.

For the few times where I've engaged a conversation, I knew it was going to turn for the worst so I would just grab a drink, excuse myself and walk away, even though the girl was hot and probably interested in something more than chatting.

I`ve bitten myself several times.

Good thing that it is now a thing of the past, I'm older, got a wedding ring and women don't look at me that much (not that I really changed, though).



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27 Aug 2008, 9:29 am

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I`ve bitten myself several times.

I've occasionally done that when I'm eating, but I'm sure that's not what you meant.

So, what did you mean ?



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27 Aug 2008, 4:48 pm

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i]Mind, I've backed out of entering relationships for a very long time now.
It's a MASSIVE shame, because two of the girls I really liked were jaw-droppingly spectacular (I mean, made Vogue cover girls look plain) and spent AGES waiting for me to make a move.
I still think about them EVERY day - but I was sooooh insecure back then.
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You think of them EVERY day and you never told them how you felt? :roll:
I hope they weren't really in love with you and they were just trying to win some sort of ego game.
Do you prefer ugly girls? Why didn't you make a move?

I'm just curious because I'm in a similar situation with someone who seems to be like you in his attitude toward women.

This is a very enlightening thread and I think I've learned a valuable lesson. :idea:
Aspie guys are jerks. I used to think that it was all cute, but now I just think that their shyness is just a wall they put up because they know they are jerks.



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27 Aug 2008, 5:24 pm

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i]Mind, I've backed out of entering relationships for a very long time now.
It's a MASSIVE shame, because two of the girls I really liked were jaw-droppingly spectacular (I mean, made Vogue cover girls look plain) and spent AGES waiting for me to make a move.
I still think about them EVERY day - but I was sooooh insecure back then.
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You think of them EVERY day and you never told them how you felt? :roll:
I hope they weren't really in love with you and they were just trying to win some sort of ego game.
Do you prefer ugly girls? Why didn't you make a move?

I'm just curious because I'm in a similar situation with someone who seems to be like you in his attitude toward women.

This is a very enlightening thread and I think I've learned a valuable lesson. :idea:
Aspie guys are jerks. I used to think that it was all cute, but now I just think that their shyness is just a wall they put up because they know they are jerks.

I'm not a jerk.
Far from it - I'm a really nice guy.
But after long enough of being battered, you back away from humanity from intimacy.
It's a once bitten, twice shy thing - nothing to do with being or feeling that you're a jerk.
Like a LOT of Aspinoids, I'm a very sensitive guy.
You develop a kind of aversion to the vulnerability of intimacy.

Now I'm a tough guy - or at least sufficiently exteriorly tough to weather the stormy waters of a meaningful relationship again.

Don't just condemn people before you've tried to understand them.
People aren't machines - they're a bunch of feelings, sensibilities and history.

Only a jerk would make the comment you just did.



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27 Aug 2008, 5:36 pm

Sorry for calling you a jerk. :oops:

I think that being rejected for being difficult at a very young age causes one to hide his/her true nature. It's very sad. Still, there is no excuse for playing with people's emotions. :cry:



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27 Aug 2008, 5:44 pm

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Sorry for calling you a jerk. :oops:

You're welcome.



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27 Aug 2008, 6:10 pm

I was so wrong about you and aspie guys are not jerks. They are so sincere and say such kind things and are rarely sarcastic. They also are very loving and supportive in their relationships. And Membersix is obviously a real nice guy like he says. :lol: