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25 Aug 2008, 4:39 pm

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You're walking a fine-line and at other times, not so fine at all, and your lack of understanding and regard shows.

You again.

I tried having a conversation with you before, but you got very confused and flustered - so maybe next time, eh ?



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25 Aug 2008, 4:44 pm

Aspiartist, I guess member six is a relatively young, very screwed-up boy. His empathy and theory-of-mind seem significantly underdeveloped, even for an aspie. I think maybe he has some quite serious issues around self-image that need to have professional input to deal with. Nevertheless, a jerk is a jerk, autistic or not.



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25 Aug 2008, 4:46 pm

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I don't agree that it is 100% genetic and if there is science out there that has in fact identified a gene, I'd like to see it.

On the vaccine issue, I can at least stand as an example that should in some way debunk the theory.

My family moved on a monthly basis and myself and my siblings were constantly enrolled in school after school. With every new enrollment there was the round of vaccines. Being mostly non-verbal, I was concerned with it, and did feel much like a pin cushion, but couldn't say much if anything on my own behalf. Even though my siblings experienced the same rounds of vaccines, they are not autistic, while I am. Being over-vaccinated that much, if this theory were in any way true, they would be autistic too, and they are not.

I think this supports a premise that the vaccine theory doesn't hold water.


People who believe in the vaccination theory aren't saying that vaccines make kids autistic, they're saying kids with a genetic predisposition to autism have it triggered by vaccines. Although I don't believe this theory, your situation doesn't disprove it, as you could have had the predisposition and your siblings didn't.



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25 Aug 2008, 4:47 pm

It is obvious that some children have changed after receiving vaccines, they have it on tape. Many autistic people have more allergies and food sensitivities. It seems reasonable that chemicals can affect the brain and allergic reactions can alter behavior. It may not be true for everyone but some people may have a predisposition for storing toxins in the body. Look into the pineal gland and what happens to the brain when it becomes toxic.



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25 Aug 2008, 4:48 pm

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It's clearly mostly genetic, as it runs in families, and even if it was triggered by something like vaccines, there would have to be a genetic component to trigger, as millions of kids get vaccines and only a small amount of them are autistic. I definitely think it's mostly genetic, but maybe some kids have a predisposition that is triggered by environmental factors. I feel like it's less likely to be vaccines though, or that would have been proven. Maybe the stuff we put in our food nowadays? It seems like more an dmore kids are autistic and there must be a reason. What's really strange to me is the kids who develop normally and then suddenly develop autistic symptoms - that's very strange, that a brain could suddenly rewire itself to behave incorrectly. Autism is a mystery, mainly because it's not any one thing, but a set of little things that may or may not go wrong with the brain, forming a pattern of symptoms of varying severity. I'ts so hard to pinpoint because it's not a 'set' syndrome where it's clear which gene had an issue and what will go wrong an dwhat the symptoms will be.


Actually, that type of Autism is known - CDD, Childhood Degenerative Disease.
My brother was such - he had to learn to speak twice. As for chemical additives in food: they are less now than earlier, awareness is simply higher. Unfortunately, uneducated celebrities misrepresent that minority...


I know CDD exists - I was just saying that's what puzzles me the most. It's one thing to be born with a 'different' brain, it's another to have a seemingly normal one that suddenly deteriorates - this seems more environmental, but certainly may not be. This kid of autism may be completely different from autism kids seem to have from infancy.



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25 Aug 2008, 4:50 pm

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Aspiartist, I guess member six is a relatively young, very screwed-up boy. His empathy and theory-of-mind seem significantly underdeveloped, even for an aspie. I think maybe he has some quite serious issues around self-image that need to have professional input to deal with. Nevertheless, a jerk is a jerk, autistic or not.

Say, do you think http://casacambs.webs.com would be interested in knowing that their co-ordinator goes around calling people a c**t on Autism webforums ?



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25 Aug 2008, 4:52 pm

Membersix how do you feel about tangy tomato sauce? I crave that right now but am allergic to the preservatives inside.



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25 Aug 2008, 4:52 pm

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Membersix how do you feel about tangy tomato sauce? I crave that right now but am allergic to the preservatives inside.

??? :?:



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25 Aug 2008, 4:53 pm

No it doesn't disprove it. If there were a genetic predisposition in my case, however, others in my family would undoubtedly share the traits and also have autism.

Altogether, the theory doesn't really add up although there's always a possibility. In my case, given all the vaccinations and my siblings being clear of autism, it really doesn't measure up.



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25 Aug 2008, 4:55 pm

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Autism is probably a faulty gene somewhere n humans that get passed down to the kids, and it will always be like that.


I don't think it is necessarily a faulty gene, I think high functioning autism may be due to naturally occurring genetic variations, that impact on and show up in differences in human behaviour.



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25 Aug 2008, 5:05 pm

I think the vaccine theory is just a wild conspricy theory(much that i love them :D ) and really has no connection to autism but because a lot of people have crazy ideas especially celebrities it just became well known...


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25 Aug 2008, 5:14 pm

Autism is probably mostly genetic however environmental factors can determine exactly how it manifests enough to move someone on the Autistic Spectrum or even render then undiagnosable.

If no one tries to teach an LFA how to communicate, they probably will forever be considered low-functioning. However if that same LFA is surrounded by people who want to teach him how to communicate, he could very well learn how and end up a high-functioning adult.

In the case of Asperger's Syndrome various factors can push someone completely off the autistic spectrum into the realm of "NT's with some autistic traits". In fact if you only took my current behaviors into account you probably wouldn't be able to find enough to diagnose me with Asperger's Syndrome, only when you look at my life as a whole do you see that I do indeed match the criteria for Asperger's Syndrome.


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25 Aug 2008, 5:22 pm

"Probably" might only add up to junk science and an opinion isn't science either.



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25 Aug 2008, 5:24 pm

I agree with environment playing a major role. People want to blame everything on genes and say people without the right genes are doomed and nothing can be done. I don't believe this.



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25 Aug 2008, 5:47 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I agree with environment playing a major role. People want to blame everything on genes and say people without the right genes are doomed and nothing can be done. I don't believe this.

Just out of interest, are you a Creationist ?



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25 Aug 2008, 5:52 pm

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