Is anyone else sick of the anti-NT bias?

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If you don't like people doing bad talk about us, why do it about NTs?

Violet Yoshi has that? How do you know, has she said?

If she really does have it, then that explains why she took our words out of context in the "This guy pissed me off" thread by adding words to what we said.

everybody has a room in god's hotel.

people are just people. the older one gets , the more this sinks in....hopefully.

I am a little different because i have AS. So what? everyone has issues and problems and it is not specific to people with AS.
I find it frustrating on WP when i read people making generalised assumptions about supposed "NT" people - particularly when it is unkind and offensive. (and how i loathe that term.) Really not what i am into or how i want to view the world and its inhabitants. And these days i skim over posts that smell of that kind of simplistic thinking.

I can tend towards this kind of thinking sometimes also. and i have learned to be wary of it, because in the end, it causes me to feel more divided from the world than i actually am or need to be.



have a good day.

Well I guess we all have found a cure to ASD.

Do the ad-hominem attack and bam we are no longer autistic.

To be honest, the NT bashing doesn't piss me off or even particularly surprise me. Do you think my NT teenager is going to have her feelings hurt because an Aspie who's been bullied his whole life says something derogatory about NTs? She wouldn't. She knows how to consider the source. She's able to look at the big picture and know that someone is hurting.

I have seen people in all minority groups do this sort of thing amongst themselves--Jews do it, blacks do it, gays do it. It's a way to release pent-up frustration when the majority culture has made your life hell. It's human.

The problem is when it threatens to cause actual damage to other human beings. Amongst my fellow Jews, I have seen a few who have no problem ripping off non-Jews on the absurd premise that nobody cares about us, so why should we care about anybody else? Do the laws of ethics suddenly get suspended for victims? I don't think so. I've seen minority people everywhere do this kind of thing. But it should go without saying that most minority people never graduate to actually harming anyone.

So as long as there are no organized gangs of Aspies roaming the planet looking for NTs to attack, I think there has to be a place for letting off steam amongst ourselves. I don't participate in it, obviously, because I don't need to, and because all the people who love me most are NTs. When I see people do it, I see it as an expression of their very valid pain and anger, and as a sign of youth. When I was younger, I railed against all kinds of people in my pain and anger, but I never actually hurt anyone and I never will.

I am just assuming she does. It seems like it to me, but I'm not diagnosing.

It's a simple thing to pick up. You don't have to lack an AS neurology to learn stuff like that from NTs. But an AS person would tend to argue the point. But AS people can pick up these contact habits. If you are unable to pick up NT behaviors like this, then your AS would be pretty severe.

It could be she was just sniping to be mean. But it seems less that would be jumping to a negative conclusion. I wouldn't assume that is what she intended unless there were some more to that statement than was up there.

You would have to assume someone was passive aggressive enough just to troll and snipe at people out of the blue.

But you can come to whatever conclusions you like.

Unless the paragraphs appear in this thread, doing as suggested would constitute an instance of 'cross posting' and is contrary to the rules of the forum.



Oh, this is marvelous!
I cannot imagine such gangs would need to roam far to find their victims....swing a cat by the tail and all that. So now I cannot help thinking of this hypothetical aggressive aspie mob, roaming about swinging cats by the tail in the hope of hitting an NT.


I will not be joining such a mob, I like cats and do not believe they should be swung by the tail for the purpose of detecting the location of NTs.

I'm am so glad to hear that. I was concerned. So was my cat.

mostly al my freind are nt so you can't say they are all bad tho alot of my freinds are mean to other aspies who are not as social as me thos i think those as kids desreve it cuz they are so ignogant they think cuz i have aspegers like them it means I am like them and they say i m not skater I am a skate poser they bash me every chance they get about how my freinds pity me.

Neurodiversity is NOT LIMITED to Autistic people.

Holy crud, five pages already? Let me see...


-Yes, I'm the Blackjack Gabbiani from the Pokémon fandom. Thanks for noticing! And for remembering my Domino icon (which makes me think you know me from LJ since it's my default there).

-Having things like plastic surgery isn't NT-exclusive.

-How do you know that all the bullies out there are NT?

-The repeated "they" and "them" refers to the initial subject of NTs. That's what the entire post is about, after all.

-There are a great deal of minority bigots who grow violent, and their being minorities doesn't excuse it one bit.

-I fail to see how pointing out that non-NTs can be evil because we're all individuals is "painting Aspies with a broad brush" (or whatever the phrase was, this is five pages in after all), given that the entire point was that we're as individual as anyone else. And since any group can have evil people in it...you see my point?

-Wait, "obsessive, narrow fixations" is meant to be NEGATIVE language? I've always seen it as neutral, with "narrow" being the most negative word in there, but since I've always it being used as in "a narrow hallway", it comes off being overall neutral. I know plenty of people (of varying states) who're said to be "obsessive" over things but it's never said with a negative tone. It all depends on context, and that example there looks pretty bog-standard neutral.

-There are no roving gangs of NTs looking for autistics to beat up. There're gangs of people who look for people who're *different* to beat up, but how do you know that the gangs are entirely NT or that the victims aren't? Most of those are racially based anyway, which has nothing to do with how the brain is wired. And yes, autistics can be as racist as any other group.

-"ad-hominem" is not limited to NT use. There's no such thing as NT-exclusive language or language functionality.

-And I know neurodiversity isn't limited to autistic people, but a lot of Aspie groups I've been in use "NT" ONLY to describe nonautistics. And my example with the porcelain cats was talking about someone who *is* "neurotypical" but still having a trait that people would consider crazy.

i have been told that some bullies do it to cover up their own insecurity. that they make themselves feel better by hurting others.

No but the social instinct-driven need to look a certain way so that you take out loans and go to doctors to carve your self up, is not very AS.



No comment.



Huh? Did someone talk about minorities being violent?



I'm wondering why you are using the word "we".



Already posted about this several times.



Not sure where you got this from.



But the fixation on winning an argument versus fixing on the points and details of the thing being debated, is an NT focus. That said, those kind of rhetorical behavioral reflexes are easily learned by intelligent AS.



I would get a second opinion on your Asperger diagnosis if I were you. You might be one of those "porcelain cats" people where you are neurotypical but just have a subset of high-functioning AS traits induced in you due to developmental and environmental factors. E.g. it's not very AS to try to focus how others on the board are talking and behaving as a matter of culture to the point of starting threads about culture and social behavior that affects you. The need to manage and critique how others express themselves in a community where communications disorders and social dysfunction is common, is not a typical AS thing or really relevant.

Also note the "sticky reminder" at the top of the "General Autism Discussion" board. There may be a more appropriate forum on the website to your social concerns. Maybe there is a forum on this website for discussing discussion social behavior, or a forum here on forum culture. This forum is supposed to be about autism-specific issues. I.e. "Talk about anything that has at least something to do with Autism, Asperger's, ADHD, and life. Other unrelated discussion belongs in the Random Discussion forum."

This is a such good and thoughtful post. I missed it earlier.



It seems to me that a useful social skill -- wisdom, really -- is how to develop the thought behavior of not mirroring prejudiced abuse. The line between processing experiences, feelings and acting like those who were your abusers, is a really important one not to cross. And I think it's important to recognize that people who are processing experiences and feelings aren't really mirroring abusive behavior, just, well, processing and framing and integrating the experience.



"Railed" is a good word... I haven't really seen that here but I confess I've done it a few times previously when acutely distressed. A lot of AS don't really get listened to when they try to complain about bad conditions or an abuser. The administrative ignoring and oppressing -- mischaracterizing as malevolent delusions -- the complaints of AS victims of abuse in a school or elsewhere, is part of the painful experience of administrative negligence toward schoolyard and workplace bullies. Often, AS victims are targeted for retaliation for complaining, worsening the abusive situation. Just letting an AS person who has been through that kind of wringer "rail" is an important thing that AS victims may not get elsewhere.

Then I guess you might need to reasses yours, ephemerella because that is exactly what you are doing to the OP. Good thing you're not a doctor in charge of diagnosing others. Or maybe you are? Seems like you sure do it a lot.