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26 Dec 2008, 10:53 pm

I wonder why they keep them ten years instead of seven?



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27 Dec 2008, 3:03 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I wonder why they keep them ten years instead of seven?


If it's based on anything I would bet it's based on the time frame for some other record keeping in the state. But ultimately in either case it's probably a fairly arbitrary decision at the state level. Many years ago somebody's grandparents had a meeting about their record keeping, decided they didn't have enough room to store it indefinitely, figured out how many years of records they were keeping and then guestimated how many years worth of records they thought they could keep without increasing the budget for the storage. And private institutions are just required to adhere to whatever the ruling was at the state level. Although that is just a guess.


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27 Dec 2008, 4:34 pm

That's why it's a good idea to always get copies right after, if it's a medical procedure.
If someone goes to the same therapist for ten years, (don't know how common it is to stay with the same one for that long) when is the cut off date? Is it the beginning of the therapy or the end? Are records destroyed year by year? Month by month? Or is the entire ten year chunk destroyed in thirty minutes ten years from the last therapy session date?



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27 Dec 2008, 4:37 pm

And why is it such a big deal if records are maintained for 10 days or 10 years? Who else is gonna see them? Seriously, this thread has taken on the same, ol' doctors are evil tone seen in so many others.

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27 Dec 2008, 4:46 pm

I once asked one of my autistic online friends what if he was looking at his medical records and he saw an error in it. He said he would call them and complain and ask to speak to the supervisor. I also asked him what if the records were 20 years old and he said he would still try and find out who is in charge. I asked him what if the doctor didn't work there anymore and he said he would do research to try and find the doctor.



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27 Dec 2008, 5:18 pm

^^
This is what I'm not understanding.
Why make the effort and take the time to "correct" an alleged mistake even 1 year past the date much less twenty?



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27 Dec 2008, 5:47 pm

NocturnalQuilter wrote:
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This is what I'm not understanding.
Why make the effort and take the time to "correct" an alleged mistake even 1 year past the date much less twenty?


Tt's a good idea to show psychologists your past psychological reports so they can have a better idea of what's going on with you. If your past psychological reports contain inaccuracies and blatant lies, you cannot show those reports to a new psychologist without running the risk of having the new psychologist end up with the wrong impression about you. I also want to get my money's worth, and don't want to spend 30 minutes, not even 1 minute, discussing an issue (suicide) that has nothing to do with my problems. In case you don't know, psychologists tend to become very inquisitive when they hear the word "suicide." That's because they don't want to have to explain to a governing committee why they didn't prevent their patient from committing suicide even though the patient talked about committing suicide. Psychologists don't want to lose their license, they need it to make a living.



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27 Dec 2008, 5:59 pm

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Tt's a good idea to show psychologists your past psychological reports so they can have a better idea of what's going on with you. If your past psychological reports contain inaccuracies and blatant lies, you cannot show those reports to a new psychologist without running the risk of having the new psychologist end up with the wrong impression about you. I also want to get my money's worth, and don't want to spend 30 minutes, not even 1 minute, discussing an issue (suicide) that has nothing to do with my problems. In case you don't know, psychologists tend to become very inquisitive when they hear the word "suicide." That's because they don't want to have to explain to a governing committee why they didn't prevent their patient from committing suicide even though the patient talked about committing suicide. Psychologists don't want to lose their license, they need it to make a living.


I s'pose that makes sense. I have never shared records between doctors. It never occured to me.
Interestingly, I consider death all the time and have told my current doctors as much. I also made it clear that I am far too much a coward to ever consider offing myself in the conventional methods. I prefer the slow and painful ones like alcoholism and a poor diet.
Still, I couldn't care less what my doctors have to say or write about me. Once I'm dead, who's gonna care anyway?



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27 Dec 2008, 8:23 pm

Mw99 wrote:
NocturnalQuilter wrote:
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This is what I'm not understanding.
Why make the effort and take the time to "correct" an alleged mistake even 1 year past the date much less twenty?


Tt's a good idea to show psychologists your past psychological reports so they can have a better idea of what's going on with you. If your past psychological reports contain inaccuracies and blatant lies, you cannot show those reports to a new psychologist without running the risk of having the new psychologist end up with the wrong impression about you. I also want to get my money's worth, and don't want to spend 30 minutes, not even 1 minute, discussing an issue (suicide) that has nothing to do with my problems. In case you don't know, psychologists tend to become very inquisitive when they hear the word "suicide." That's because they don't want to have to explain to a governing committee why they didn't prevent their patient from committing suicide even though the patient talked about committing suicide. Psychologists don't want to lose their license, they need it to make a living.


You should also generally not give a new psychologist any reports from a previous doctor until they've had some time to get to know you with their own eyes and ears. The reason for this is that humans are well known to have an anchoring bias and if they read something another doctor wrote first, it's apt to predispose them. If they have some time to get to know you themselves first, then they're much more able to overcome their biases when reading the report and interpret the inaccuracies (which will always, always, always be in the report) more accurately.


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27 Dec 2008, 10:53 pm

I thought insurance companies had access to medical records, or is that only if you sign a form?



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28 Dec 2008, 12:11 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
I thought insurance companies had access to medical records, or is that only if you sign a form?


According to Wikipedia, the current HIPPA rules in the US say only the patient and the immediate care provider are allowed access by default -- additional parties require patient consent. The two exceptions are in the event of a medical emergency or in the event that not disclosing would lead to "death or harm" to either the patient or someone else. There is potential that the latter could happen in this case, but it's an outside chance. Unless something sudden and dramatic happens to trigger disclosure, I would count on the record not being disclosed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_records


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28 Dec 2008, 3:22 am

Sorry if I'm changing the subject here, but this thread reminds me of a post a few days ago from someone who sounded like they were suicidal, and Tantybi replied with a link to a suicide hotline. (Kudos, Tantybi!) Since the aspie population has a higher incidence of suicide, maybe it would be a good idea to start a sticky thread where everyone posts hotline numbers from their geographical location. Wrong Planet would have a world-wide suicide prevention hotline directory where anyone could find it fast. The posts would have to be simple, like : US, California, San Francisco Bay Area 1 -800-### ####

It would work best if everyone kept to the same pattern.



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28 Dec 2008, 11:14 am

NocturnalQuilter wrote:
And why is it such a big deal if records are maintained for 10 days or 10 years? Who else is gonna see them? Seriously, this thread has taken on the same, ol' doctors are evil tone seen in so many others.

Well, that's kind of true. Doctors have a lot of power in our society, and they sure love to use it. They have the authority to completely ruin a person's life with one stroke of a pen. I once had a highly unpleasant experience with a doctor (not the same one as the therapist I mentioned earlier); when I mentioned suicide, she threatened to have me locked up in a mental institution if I ever mentioned it again. To add insult to the injury, she made it sounds more unpleasant than Guantanamo Bay. So I never mentioned it again, but that doesn't mean I still didn't have those thoughts.



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28 Dec 2008, 1:41 pm

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NocturnalQuilter wrote:
And why is it such a big deal if records are maintained for 10 days or 10 years? Who else is gonna see them? Seriously, this thread has taken on the same, ol' doctors are evil tone seen in so many others.

Well, that's kind of true. Doctors have a lot of power in our society, and they sure love to use it. They have the authority to completely ruin a person's life with one stroke of a pen. I once had a highly unpleasant experience with a doctor (not the same one as the therapist I mentioned earlier); when I mentioned suicide, she threatened to have me locked up in a mental institution if I ever mentioned it again. To add insult to the injury, she made it sounds more unpleasant than Guantanamo Bay. So I never mentioned it again, but that doesn't mean I still didn't have those thoughts.


Sounds like a bad doctor... although I would be wondering if they had some theory that a person who was serious about suicide wouldn't care that they said those things about institutionalizing them or how bad the institution would treat them. I.e. an easy NT lie in the course of their normal routine in such situations as an attempt at assessing risk.


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27 Oct 2009, 5:27 am

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This is one of the many examples why I'm glad I don't have common sense. Because common sense says a person has no idea what they are talking about until they get that piece of paper from a college that says they do, in this case, a phd. My sense dictates that anyone can cheat through school or get an A without learning anything, and you don't need a PhD to research the same studies and topics a professional does. Also, my sense tells me that a person can know the facts and still have no ability to apply those facts to real life (in other words, they can lack critical thinking skills), but I think they try to teach that ability in the graduate programs for clinical type careers like psychology. i mention the critical thinking also because I think some people forget that requirement to be good at diagnosing problems and applying therapy. My sense also dictates that the pharmaceutical industry has some of these medical professionals bought, and a PhD doesn't confirm moral substance or ethical behavior. In addition, studies have shown that psychiatrists are the top medical professionals getting benefits from the pharmaceutical industry who gets lists of perscribing patterns from private companies tracking pharmacy data and then rewards doctors that perscribe a lot of their pills. I think a lot of that is because there is more bias and opinion in a diagnosis made by psychology than a family doctor treating a cold. It's also funny that disorders treated with pills such as ADHD and depression are more common now than ever. Does anyone think it's because we know more about it, or because we have more pills for it?


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I have more question for you? I guess I'm loaded with questions.

1. What exactly is the meaning of the phrase "common sense?"
2. What is the criteria to know if you or a person has "common sense" or not?
3. I asked an NT woman in her 50's and she really could not give me a meaning and the whole conversation was moved on.
4. A comment: This woman who is NT says that the truth is most people do not want to think to deeply at all.



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27 Oct 2009, 8:18 am

1. Docs often make poor judgment calls about their patients. That's nothing new.

2. How has this Dx in your medical record adversely affected you (has to involve money lost)? If you can't name anything, odds are you can't do anything about it.