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after centuries of wiping out shamans there are only a few left, the russians threw eskimos out of the planes (show us you can fly shaman, hahahah) when Alaska was still theirs. yes they die, and I have visited and lived wiht many an indigenous nations.

Our error was to think that man can dominate nature or that the earth was to ce controlled, the indigenous people we belong to earht an therefor she lasted longer and more intact than we in our 'advanced' world did.

You are more than happy to live with acid rain, dying forests, chimneys everywhere, led polluted air? Sure

The libraries are the shamans themselves who rely with their people onoral traditions, that's why we lose it all, they have no time to pass it on anymore.

Hunting down shamans of the Huichol nation in Mexico continues,as well as the ones in the Andes are still persecuted.

This thread is so circular, its not even a spiral...

How old they get really? How many die prior the 5th or 10th birthday?



If we do not learn to dominate the world, "mother nature" will whip us out, as "mother nature" did with the vast majority of species in earth history; the only tool we have to survive a hostile earth is our brain to understand how the rules of this hostile world and how manipulate this world to our needs.



Clear - the concept of oral tradition has been drop some 5000 years ago in favour to a more reliable and much more effective system of storing information.

I don't know if aspies have the 'gift' more than others, I'd say schizophrenics would though. Both hypersensitive beings really.

I like what you are saying about maintaining the natural world; I think that's what humans should be doing with their talents.

I don't really understand how humans can control natural disasters; when mother earth wants to shake, she'll destroy. There's nothing we can do to prevent this, just monitor.

For what?



Currently not - but we need to learn this. There are some super volcano around, when we want to maintain our civilisation we will need to learn to control those - sooner or later.

Why? Why not? What's are the most important questions humanity hasn't been able to deduce as of yet? If the environment isn't suitable to sustain us, what's the point of asking?

Calderas are a mess, and there is no way we could control them (my understanding is sometimes they are as powerful as setting off five-hundred nuclear warheads.) Though perhaps if we could contain them, we could survive longer with the current civilization.

Almost seems like an illogical argument.
BTW, I like your posts Dussel.

When people run in circles its a very very mad world.

"Civilized man judges the world by their own standards and finds 'primitive' people wanting"

to me humanity is like so many micro colonies on the petri dish of the world. There is only so many nutrients in that agar and if one group takes over and consumes the nutrients all of us are toast.



why humans think they're so hot, I sincerely doubt I will ever figure out.

Merle

Special abilities like calendar calculation, hyperlexia, etcetera, aren't savant skills. They're just classes as the aforementioned special abilities.

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many die prior, bu pneumonia, and many other lethal diseases, that's why most don't get their name before they are 3.


Dominate mother nature? Human arrogance

What does any of this have to do with the futility of shamanic beliefs?


No, all of our brain tissue is used, some moreso under certain conditions than others, but it all gets used.


Because it's all fraudulent - there is no 'proof' to back up any assertion of ESP efficacy that does not involve delusion, interpretive error, or outright fraud.


REAL Evidence, Please? Which military? Which police force? Which cases? Which psychics? I have yet to read an account of psychic involvement that did not lack specificity or that was not wide open to interpretive error or outright fraud.


"Argumentum ad Popularum" - The fallacy of believing in the efficacy of something simply because a lot of other people do. This is how religions get started.

Prove psychic abilities are real by posting my real name, in full and correctly spelled, in this thread. You may use any psychic ability at your disposal: Remote Viewing, Telepathy, Spirit Guides, Ouija Boards ... whatever psychic ability works best for you.

Meeting this challenge proves psychic abilities. Failure doesn't.

Go ahead ... I'm waiting!

Yeah ... superstitious people who refuse to learn REAL knowledge vs. educated people who refuse to stop trying to teach what's real.

It's a seemingly endless struggle, but eventually reality always wins.

there have been enough cases of paranormal evidence and oddly enough thosuands of years of Shamanic rituals have never turrned it into a religon. On the other hand our doctors have been worshipped for centuries as the new gods whose answers and methods were unquestionable.

even Einstein said, that we only used 13 % of our brain.

Damn lack of electricity keeping me away from the fun threads like these...

On shamanism and AS sensitivity to same...

I am an atheist who also practices auto-hypnosis, Wicca and Neo-Paganism. I have no problem seeing my trance-like experiences as simply tapping into parts of the brain I'm not used to tapping into and my abstract self struggling to put familiar visual frames around concepts which have none. Because the experiences can be explained scientifically and psychologically doesn't have to negate their usefulness. I still find such a state allows me to examine a situation from a new angle I wouldn't have thought of before.

But neither does such a state convince me that I am therefore talking to gods and angels. If someone of a belief I don't hold were to claim that, I would say they are misinterpreting a contained, psychological experience to boost their own egos. What then makes me any better than that?

As for the AS influence, I hadn't considered that we tend to have more hypersensitivity/lack of sensitivity to certain drugs. My work is all done drug-free. I will say I do a whole lot more logical analyzing of the experiences, which is maybe why so many of us are atheists. We're more likely to see the experience as psychologically induced than to conclude "I thought of something new ... therefore god must have done it."

On psychic abilities, remote viewing, etc in general
My understanding is that they are not a switch you can turn on and off or say 'answer this specific question, such as what is Fnord's real name.' And yes, that comes off as a major cop-out. Scientifically, it fits. However, that makes such abilities almost impossible to prove scientifically and gives the phony psychic a huge excuse.

And, it goes back to my above point; how do we tell the difference between a true, psychic vision versus self-fulfilled prophecies or wishful thinking?

That said, if there were actual gods/entities involved and not just our own connections to a Unified Field, and those gods/entities really wanted to be taken seriously, then I would expect them to perform some specific act of validation, such as telling us Fnord's real name.