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laustcawz
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24 Sep 2009, 5:47 pm

Just to be clear, I've been diagnosed with an unspecified "personality disorder", but there's been speculation within my family that it's Asperger's Syndrome. As for posters commenting on the opposite of autism, consider that, in 1944's "Autism & Asperger's Syndrome" (written by Hans Asperger & edited by Uta Frith), autism is noted to be from the Greek root "auto", meaning "self"
& is defined as "an extreme variant of male intelligence" (for those who would protest that there
are autistic/Aspergian females, keep in mind that various girls & women used to be [&, from time to time, still may be] referred to as "tomboys" &/or "just like one of the guys"). If there's an opposite of autism, it would only follow that it would have a name from the Greek (or possibly Latin) root for something counter to "self" & the accompanying implications, that it would be defined as "an extreme variant of female intelligence", that a milder form would need to be specified,
that more feminized men (think Richard Simmons) might be affected in either case & that it would likewise need to be considered a "disorder"; of course, if anyone has a problem with this logic,
then perhaps neither "extreme" should be labeled a "disorder".



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24 Sep 2009, 6:25 pm

i'm definitely not good at math but i love doing puzzle. sometimes math can be a fun puzzle(not when you're being graded though)
for me it's someone who always knows what's going on and can instantly adjust to a mood change in a person(especially if that person is crying) they don't make a person feel worse than they already were. they speak beautifully and can have a simple conversation with a group of people(especially strangers whom they haven't "learned" yet). they're ability to become obsessed with something is not too easy.

i could go on and on but it's din dins.


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30 Sep 2009, 3:08 am

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30 Sep 2009, 7:30 am

IMO, there isn't such a thing as the opposite of autism. Maybe at some point the gentics behind autism will be found and people will be discovered who have the opposite genetic deviations (like with Williams syndrome and that other condition merntioned above), but even then phenotype is not an exact representation of genotype so we can't be sure whether that would be the exact opposite.



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01 Oct 2009, 3:53 am

I think there is something we didn't point out in this post.
Actually the opposite of Aspe can't be a "pathology" like down or the like because Aspe isn't that, for istance aspenger doesn't give us a particular resemplance (like many other syndromes mentioned before).
Depending on your particular spectrum you can be in very different way, for istance I have an high intellectual, "hunting", "compulsive", "perception" aspenger but I also have an high NT perception and good comunication skill (actually I've started speaking before time, at 2 years old I had a vocabulary of an adult and I started complaining how absurd is using words to talk, how better will be using sounds and sign, etc..). I'm sociophobic.

http://www.rdos.net/eng/poly12c.php?p1= ... =72&p12=31

What's the opposite of Aspe then?
Well you can say NT. But saying that is saying that the opposite of blue is white because one is colored and the other is not. NT could be the opposite of every "syndrome" in that way.
Also many syndromes have aspie trait like sociophobia, strange behavior, strange perception and so on.

I can think that if you really want to make an opposite you shouldn't base it on the most "sintomatic" part of it. Basically every "different" will be sociophobic, compulsive and the like. What really distinguish Aspenger (according to me) is the tendency (not the ability because you can be not too much able to "compute" but be an Aspe) of being "mental". While NT sometimes use "brain" sometime use "heart". So if we accord in saying that the "only" thing common to all Aspe is that we "always" use brain (rational thinking) before heart, the opposite is someone who is always overwhelmed by his feeling/heart, someone highly sensible.

A so much sensible man/women will still be probably ossesive/compulsive because she/he still need perfection (but for his/her heart), he/she can still be from dumb to genius (using heart before brain doesn't mean that she/he can't do math for example) but could have problem rationalizing situations and seems less smart than he/she is for that (like sometimes we can appear for the opposite). A so sensible guy will have probably "strange" behavior, he/she will be probably vegetarian, love children and animals because he/she can't afford to hurt someone, but otherwise he can have MORE problem of us with people, because too much feeling can easly provoke melt down, being unable to see a child crying or seeing news on TV, or being easly touched by people, etc.. can make people see you under a bad perspective.

I "don't like people, don't feel them" but my "apathy" will probably hurt them less than their hypersensibility making me actually better suited to live within society than them.

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Do you know of any syndrome like that?



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01 Oct 2009, 4:21 am

Actually it could be:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unipolar_disorder
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoid_p ... y_disorder
or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotionall ... y_disorder

Remember the difference between a "bad mood" because you have it and a "bad mood" because people doesn't understand you (like many Aspie could have).



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13 Jan 2011, 1:54 pm

I know that while I scored 39/50 on the AS test my wife scored 3 (yes THREE) ! !!

I think that's how it works!



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13 Jan 2011, 3:57 pm

9CatMom wrote:
I would say ADD/ADHD would be an opposite of AS. AS is a condition of hyperfocus. I have heard some people are diagnosed with both, but to me, they seem complete opposites. Any attention issues with AS to me seem related to overstimulation, not simply inattentiveness. People with AD(H)D are said to be highly coordinated, sometimes even very athletic, while people with AS are said to be clumsy and awkward. (I think Roger Bannister defeated that stereotype of AS.)


That's what I would have thought also. I feel like I need to shut down everything around me because there's too much happening and it's going too fast to keep track, especially when people are involved. Certain people I have met who I consider the opposite of me seem to not get enough stimulation from their environment around them and seek it out as they get bored very easily. Also whereas I'm inclined to abuse sedatives like benzodiazepines and narcotics because they decrease sensory/emotional input, they tend to prefer stimulants. It's as if they are getting understimulated and I'm getting over-stimulated. That's why I really feel like the "Intense World hypothesis" really describes me very well. I would imagine the opposite of me would be someone who suffers from the "Dull World hypothesis"(understimulation). But I do see similarities between autism and introversion/HSP/SAD but autism is just way more generalized whereas the others are kinda limited to a few domains. Maybe I'm mistaken?



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14 Jan 2011, 12:21 am

In my opinion, the opposite of Asperger's Syndrome is Borderline Personality Disorder. How so? While aspies are socially clumsy and often manipulated by people, borderliners are the ones doing the manipulating. They have fiercely advanced social skills, enough to charm a jaded old woman into signing over her life savings. A more moderate example would be the popular guy in the office who who has HR wrapped around his finger and who everyone worships, except the person (possibly an aspie) he picked as his victim to harass. Your only hope is him quitting.



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14 Jan 2011, 8:55 am

Aspie1 wrote:
In my opinion, the opposite of Asperger's Syndrome is Borderline Personality Disorder. How so? While aspies are socially clumsy and often manipulated by people, borderliners are the ones doing the manipulating. They have fiercely advanced social skills, enough to charm a jaded old woman into signing over her life savings. A more moderate example would be the popular guy in the office who who has HR wrapped around his finger and who everyone worships, except the person (possibly an aspie) he picked as his victim to harass. Your only hope is him quitting.


What this have to do with Borderline Personality Disorder?

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A pervasive pattern of instability of interpersonal relationships, self-image and affects, as well as marked impulsivity, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

1.Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment. Note: Do not include suicidal or self-injuring behavior covered in Criterion 5

2.A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation.

3.Identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self.

4.Impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., promiscuous sex, eating disorders, binge eating, substance abuse, reckless driving). Note: Do not include suicidal or self-injuring behavior covered in Criterion 5

5.Recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, threats or self-injuring behavior such as cutting, interfering with the healing of scars (excoriation) or picking at oneself.

6.Affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days).

7.Chronic feelings of emptiness

8.Inappropriate anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights).

9.Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation, delusions or severe dissociative symptoms



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19 Apr 2011, 3:15 pm

I know all these topics on Williams Syndrome are out of date, but I've never heard of Williams Syndrome before until today, when I was searching through the forum, and so it interested me. On Google I looked up the symptoms of Williams Syndrome, and this came up:-

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Children with Williams syndrome usually have distinctive physical characteristics. These include 'elfin' facial features, such as:

Upturned nose
Widely spaced eyes
Wide mouth with full lips
Small chin
Slightly puffy cheeks
Irregular, widely spaced teeth
Babies with Williams syndrome may have a low birth weight and experience difficulty feeding and gaining weight. It's usually clear there are developmental problems - children with the syndrome may not talk until the age of three.

There may be some degree of learning disability and problems with coordination and balance. High energy levels mean children with the syndrome talk excessively, often in an inappropriate, adult manner (referred to as ‘cocktail party’ personality), and will be overactive, making sleep a real challenge.

Children and adults with Williams syndrome are very sensitive and extremely polite. In particular, children tend not to fear strangers, show a great interest in contact with adults and may have problems forming relationships with their peers.

They have very sensitive hearing, so they may be startled easily by loud noises.

One of the first signs of Williams syndrome is some type of heart or blood vessel problem. Usually, this is because part of the aorta or the pulmonary arteries has narrowed, causing a heart murmur.

Sometimes this narrowing isn't severe and simply needs regular monitoring. At other times, surgery may be necessary. It's important blood pressure is checked regularly because it's more likely to be raised when the blood vessels are narrowed.

Calcium levels can be high in babies, but rarely persists beyond 3 years.


There seems to be some of the symptoms who are common in Autistic people too, and I have put them in bold.


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19 Apr 2011, 3:38 pm

LePetitPrince wrote:
The opposite of William syndrome is addition of genes in chromosome 7 and these people usually exihibit abnormal physical features: http://www.geocities.com/abnormaldivers ... 0-q11.html

Autism has no known chromosome cause yet and there's no particular physical features for autistics (the big head thing is invented by aspies here)

You people are trying desperately to associate Autism to a real genetic disorder (Williams Syndrome) so it can appears 100% genetic so you can feel that that you are born different....what a shame.


Damn right!! !! !! !! !


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