Aspergers and above average IQ

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I find the whole subject fascinating.

First there is the stereotype of the brilliant "nerd" who is great at computers or math but a bit autistic.

I read a book on the subject of creative genius. It gave many examples including Rudyard Kipling. It pointed out that many creative people had unhappy and lonely childhoods.

That does not make them autistic as such but the "outer world" was so unpleasant that they withdrew deep into their own "inner world" and that was the font of their creativity.

Anyway, here are a couple of interesting sites about IQ:
http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/
http://isteve.blogspot.com/

DentArthurDent, personally speaking I can recall how my iq at one time 11yrs ago had been in the 100 range but, just as recently as 2002 when tested for Aspergers I acquired the score ranging in numerical value from 82-89 which, simply means--slow learner .However, though one has to take into account that often people in the autistic spectrum are not always the best test subects in these cases as, I feel intelligence in itself is not merely a number but, rather abilities of how your able to deal with things as well, using inherent knowledge to the best of your capacity.. Not forgetting the fact, in 2001 I had suffered a coma which, brought about some irreversible brain damage in the area of memory and executive functioning still, my point being is, no one on this planet is the proverbial genius just, some of us have talents which allow us to go about things in a more effecient or effective manner...


ProfessorX

130 according to this test:

http://www.free-iqtest.net/

Not bad for a spaz

- Swedish study, children from age 5 to 18 with Asperger's Syndrome, 9% with mild mental retardation (<70), 35% near average (70-84), 39% average (85-115), 17% above average (>115)
- Another Swedish study, 40 children sample group with IQ scores of at least 70 (ages 6-15), average Full Scale IQ of 102, Verbal IQ of 108.4, Performance IQ of 95.6

Source: Asperger's syndrome: intervening in schools, clinics, and communities, by Linda J. Baker, Lawrence A. Welkowitz

Same for me, 130, i don't think it's accurate though as i've took other tests and the result is around 110. I have Dyscalculia and i think this might not be good for some IQ tests...

Asperger's by definition means no IQ below 70, and there is no upper IQ limit. Therefore, compared to the general population (where about 2.5% have an IQ below 70), Aspies do have statistically a slightly higher IQ. Also, it is quite possible that some classic auties with high IQs get (mis)diagnosed with AS instead because of their high IQ. However, all of this is of course no proof that all Aspies have above-average IQs. Besides, a high IQ is no guarantee for success in any way, so I don't see why the high IQ argument matters to "Aspie elitists" anyway.

I think it is pretty widely accepted that a numerical IQ is simply unable to "rate" intelligence except for a fairly narrow range of cognitive "normality". For me the argument becomes spurious but nonetheless fascinating to watch. It reminds me of Shrek "do you think he's compensating for something".

I am 42, diagnosed Aspergers at Tony Attwood's clinic in 2006. I usually score around 39 on the AQ and 138 on "standard IQ" tests.
I am a university lecturer teaching music and audio production and completing a Doctorate of Musical Arts on the impact of my autistic traits on composition, musical perception and collaboration. It will be published on the web next year and I'll be posting links here.

Anyway, point is that there are so many different measures as to what makes a "successful" human. This was really pushed home for me when I read about different forms of empathy - (I'm a 9 on the EQ but a compassionate person) - particularly this one

Rogers, K., Dziobek, I., Hassenstab, J., Wolf, O. T., & Convit, A. (2007). Who cares? Revisiting empathy in asperger syndrome. J Autism Dev Disord, 37(4), 709-15.

I am looking for the source of a quote along the lines that being Aspie knocks 20 points off your IQ - a bit like being perpetually drunk. I have in the back of mind that I've seen it or heard it somewhere, but if no-one can point me in the right direction, I'm going to claim it myself!

Wrong Planet syndrome or perpetually pissed syndrome? BTW, I gave up alcohol 25 years ago because i didn't like not being in control!!

I believe that it is an accepted trait (by neurological and psychological etc professionals) that those with AS have average OR above average intelligence.

A basic understanding of the bell curve, or just simply averages, would seem to suggest that the overall 'average' intelligence for those with AS must therefore be ABOVE the population average, regardless of what is posted on this forum.

I believe that it is an accepted trait (by neurological and psychological etc professionals) that those with AS have average OR above average intelligence.

A basic understanding of the bell curve, or just simply averages, would seem to suggest that the overall 'average' intelligence for those with AS must therefore be ABOVE the population average, regardless of what is posted on this forum.

While I can't help you with the source of the quote, I will agree with this point - if you were to devise a measure of overall functioning and calibrate it to "IQ scale"; i.e., mean=100 and standard deviation=15; you would probably find that autism results in a substantial depression in the functional score relative to "cognitive IQ", and the degree of that depression would probably be a good indicator of the severity of the person's autism.

I think that autistic in general will usually have higher than average intelligence in some areas and lower than average in others. Things like matrix are good candidate to score high.

I find it very dis-ingenuous for a person with under 200 posts to accuse a person with well-over 3000 of "trolling".
Creep.

I, too have a markedly (as well as "official") low IQ and am considered on the high end of the spectrum (ASD). Perhaps A_L would like to call up my doctor and correct her knowledge. I'm sure she'd appreciate the education.

I think this is common, my IQ is somewhere around 128.

Ok, so what is your IQ?

The standard "average" human IQ score - based on numerous tests including the Stanford-Binet, the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale, and the like, is 100.


Pertinent aspects bolded for clarity...

From the OASIS site (http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/):

"By definition, those with AS have a normal IQ and many individuals (although not all), exhibit exceptional skill or talent in a specific area."


From the Austism Society of America's Autism FAQ page (http://www.autism-society.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_FAQ):

"What is Asperger's Syndrome?

What distinguishes Asperger's Syndrome from autism is the severity of the symptoms and the absence of language delays. Children with Asperger's may be only mildly affected and frequently have good language and cognitive skills. To the untrained observer, a child with Asperger's may seem just like a normal child behaving differently. They may be socially awkward, not understanding of conventional social rules, or show a lack of empathy. They may make limited eye contact, seem to be unengaged in a conversation, and not understand the use of gestures.

One of the major differences between Asperger's Syndrome and autism is that, by definition, there is no speech delay in Asperger's. In fact, children with Asperger's frequently have good language skills; they simply use language in different ways. Speech patterns may be unusual, lack inflection, or have a rhythmic nature or it may be formal, but too loud or high pitched. Children with Asperger's may not understand the subtleties of language, such as irony and humor, or they may not recognize the give-and-take nature of a conversation.

Another distinction between Asperger's Syndrome and autism concerns cognitive ability. While some individuals with autism experience mental retardation, by definition a person with Asperger's cannot possess a "clinically significant" cognitive delay, and most possess average to above-average intelligence."


I was tested and determined to be "gifted" at a young age, and was placed in gifted programs as a child. I'm currently a member of Mensa.

I'm not sure that test measures accurately.

I got 152.

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There is no way I am that damn smart.