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30 May 2018, 9:55 am

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For those who supposedly believe in me and claim I'm to negative would you hire me yourself even for a janitor? Next time someone gives me the "you're to negative BS" I'm going to ask them so will you be optimistic yourself and hire me and give me a chance in your company or if you had a company yourself? You believe in me and my abilities. You believe in my intelligence. Would you hire me yourself for any position in your company or if you have one for even a janitor position. If you won't hire me then it's time to call a spade a spade and I'm going to call them a liar.

I'm sick and tired of being told I can do anything I set my mind to and I need to be more positive and I'm intelligent I can do this. f**k that noise! If you truthfully believe these things and I'm worthwhile then train me, invest in me and hire me if you have a company. If you do not would you do these things or would I be to costly to you? If I'm to costly then logically how can you believe in me, believe that my intelligence will help and how will my being positive help at all?


I would. You're difficult at times, but you show promise in your open minded attitude about learning and doing new things vs. simply.. not. Because of how much I know about you, and ASD, and my own struggles several years ago when my symptoms were much stronger, I'd know how to work with you to improve your productivity & would simply accept an ultra low productivity figure in the beginning and consider it a cost of doing business as well as a, not charitable, but more.. philanthropic investment in you. If my hypothetical firm had the money to burn, I'd put you to work expecting very little return on investment until you learned how to do things faster/better.

There are employers out there like that. I've worked with disabled people that bosses keep around because they know they need a job and money, even if they could hire a younger man who's more able bodied than the 67yo stroke victim.. but they pay him to clean up their construction sites because he does a damned good job with a can-do attitude & is a human in need of money to survive.


GF, you would be an awesome boss to work work and here is why. You would inspire loyalty from because you would take time to invest in me. THat is because you believed in me. If I was able to get a job with someone like yourself my attitude would turn around so fast my head would spin. Gf, you're a long term thinker just like the captains of industries of old like Henry Ford. He thought long term and made sure employees could afford his product. I would return my loyalty to you by being a hard and dedicated worker. Yeah, I may be slow and mess up but I will work hard and improve. I would not work for another company even if they offered more money and that is they don't offer what you would offer which is loyalty and belief in me.



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01 Jun 2018, 7:12 pm

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I agree with you on some things. Goldfish on others.

I know you get perturbed with Goldfish, and vice versa.

But then I think----maybe you two are having fun with this.

I hope you two grab a beer afterwards....like in that Warner Brothers cartoon with the sheepdog and the wolf----where the sheepdog is protecting the sheep from the wolf 8 hours a day (they both punch in). Then, after the 8 hours is over, they grab a beer together.


KK, I think GF has his faults but is a pretty cool guy. s**t, I have my faults as well. I'm not perfect. Far from it. I don't drink but I wouldn't mind grabbing a bite to eat or just chilling out at the beach with him just talking about philosophy and s**t. And, I loved that cartoon as well. And, ya know what's funny I do accept a fractional part of what GF says as true.


Hell, the three of you can come to the beach with me.. and for every beer you don't drink & toke you don't have, I'm gonna have 3. :mrgreen: And then you can drive me home. :P (I only ever drink 1 or 2 depending on how long I'm going to be there, as we have the strictest drinking driving laws in the world at 0.05 BAC) BUT, if you're driving.. I'll drink a few just so I can manage debating what colour the sky is with EzraS. :mrgreen:

And on that note, it's time for me to eat & pack my bag and head to the beach asap where I'll surely take another Wreck Beach sunset pic around 21:00. Feel free to add me & see allll the Sunsets I see. (one WP member added me last week when I offered) https://www.facebook.com/rsiecahnard


Awesome facebook page and beautiful scenery. If I'm reading some of your posts right we both have something in common. We don't like Trump.


Thanks - I usually take & upload a sunset pic almost every night. And it's kinda funny that you just noticed that.. I'm probably the most anti-Trump & Co. person on this entire forum. :lol:


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01 Jun 2018, 7:15 pm

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You're not concerned that I have some rare condition that you have. You just like to argue with me because you think I'm lying.

I'm Autistic, not stupid. I graduated from business school when I was 19 years old. You like credentials? I have a piece of paper in a folder in my closet that says I know how to learn & know things.

When Raleigh posts his criticisms of me for not behaving like at self help guru (which I have never claimed to be) his word is gospel, but when he says I'm "Autistic af," you ignore his assessment because it doesn't fit your paradigm & desire to argue with me about what I do and do not know about my own health, life, and body.

Layperson or not, I am fully capable of reading, learning, knowing, and doing & I know perfectly well that my ASD functioning level is dramatically improved because of what I've done. Go read the medical study I posted for cube. You can do whatever you want about your diagnosis/es, I'm not forcing you or anyone to treat your symptoms in the way that I treat mine. I'm simply telling you all that This is It, this is the root cause of MANY peoples' ASD symptoms, and how it can be treated via diet and medicine - these organs, this medicine, these results. Do with it what you wish, or don't wish, it's not going to change what I do for myself nor the life changing positive results I've achieved for myself.


No I agree with Raleigh and others that you seem to have significant behavior and perception issues. But no one knows for sure what is causing these perceived issues. However the thing with these issues that several have perceived, is that they would preclude your ability to properly access yourself. And for all anyone knows your home-made treatments might be the cause of those perceived behavior issues or made them worse. Whatever the case, whatever you're doing it certainly doesn't seem to be helping you in those areas.


Okay. I've never ever claimed to be symptom free nor NT, only the truth: That doing what I do results in dramatically increased ASD functioning levels and I'm able to live the life I do in the social world. I can work, play, live and socialize with others just fine relative to the none of the above I was capable of 6 years ago.


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01 Jun 2018, 7:25 pm

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And a medical note: 6 years ago I couldn't use my fingers for f**k all without taking Dexedrine (Dexroamphetamine) - I haven't taken that s**t for years & I do finishing work with trowels & putty knives. Even my balance and coordination have dramatically improved. Gone are the days of dyspraxia symptoms limiting my abilities - like when I was 15 years old and was so rigid when I ran that they called me Forest Gump ffs. Diet, gut healing, intestinal cleanses & probiotics = dramatic improvement in all comorbids.


Were you diagnosed with dysparxia and prescribed Dexedrine for it? Dyspraxia and autism have many things in common.


As I've shared here before, I was "diagnosed," (yes, officially) with ADHD & prescribed Dexedrine for that. I put it in "quotations," because after it was brought to my attention by others, I researched it myself, as well as the diagnostic criteria and testing, and diagnosed it myself and then told my GP. He confirmed (because he has credentials - and a prescription pad!) and then thanked me for bringing the diagnostic criteria & tests to his attention so that he's able to use them to diagnose other patients. The prescription, which officially on paper was written by my GP, was also my own. I researched the f**k out of all pharmaceutical options, read user reviews etc, and then told him exactly what I wanted - he went away and read some book & then came back and said, "Well, yeah.. you're right. Here ya go." and that was that. I lucked out that the generic drug company that produces dextroamphetamine in 5mg IR tablets for local pharmacies just happened to be the highest rated one, too, by end users - even higher rated than the original formula by whichever drug maker makes it.

But I stopped taking that s**t a few years ago and no longer need it for the things it was good for. It's side effects and health detriments outweigh it's benefits. Plus I no longer need it for the things I took it for, so, no point in poisoning myself with unnecessary pharmaceuticals. I have a bunch of them sitting in a drawer for if and when I ever feel the need to take one, so like, maybe if I've been up for 24h and some whacko decides it's time to fight me.. then I'd pop a couple just for the strength and stamina to kick some ass on zero sleep lol.

Except that dyspraxia is characterized by physical symptoms and autism by behavioural & social ones.. yeah, sure, they're exactly the same.

And like I was transparent about 5+ years ago: I am one like Tony Attwood described who has symptoms of ADHD, OCD, Tourettes, and Aspeger's. And also like I shared back then, dyspraxia, depression/anxiety, and chronic fatigue symptoms - ALL of which are linked by intestinal dysbiosis and treatable via healing & balancing one's gut. I know because I've done it and realized the health benefits of it for the last 5 years or so. Doctors & medical researchers are slowly catching up with all the hard science to explain it all now, finally.


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01 Jun 2018, 7:30 pm

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No one is going to hold your hand through every step of seeking, applying for, obtaining, and keeping a job.


Here's the thing. Whenever I asked others questions about the steps a number of ppl will say it is common sense. If it is common sense then shouldn't they be able to explain and scaffold it to me with little cost, time and effort? Doesn't common sense mean sound judgement that applies across the whole board or group that is so obvious that it requires little thought? You're saying it would cost to much in money, energy, and time. How? If it is common sense how would it cost a lot to scaffold these things to me?


It's common sense to Most people and Most people don't need to be taught things that they intuitively know how to do. Because of this, they can't teach them to other people. They weren't taught to them, they're simply things that don't require explanation, and so for someone to try to figure out how to teach them to others is damned near impossible so they just roll their eyes and carry on. There's a million little things to "common sense," that cannot be taught. In my experience, though, when you "turn on the social circuitry," of the enteric nervous system via diet, cleanses, and probiotics, your brain & body function much more NT and these things become intuitive knowledge & actions for yourself. I've caught myself noticing countless things like this that would have otherwise simply just gone right over my head in more "ASD mode."


This is very fascinating. I've always made a certain assumption and I have to question that assumption. The assumption I've made is that the simpler a concept is to someone the easier it would be to explain. In addition to being complex for someone to explain what if something could be to simple for it to be explained as well because it is so intuitive to that person. They wouldn't even have the words or the conceptualization to even explain it. Again, this is very fascinating and you showed me a different concept I never would have considered. That is pretty cool. It got me thinking of the Asgard on Stargate. They could not even conceive of using projectile weapons like guns or bow and arrows because it would be to simplistic for them to conceive of. But, all of the tech the Asgard had and the concepts behind it was so simple to them that they could not really explain it to someone like us.


It's like breathing, cube.. if you had to describe to someone how to do something as simple as breathing.. you can't - because it's not something we're taught nor know how to teach. We just do it because a part of our brain & nervous system operates those things autonomously without our knowledge or intent. If all of the sudden someone stopped breathing and the only way they could start again was if you were able to verbally communicate to them how to breathe, in detail, every movement.. every muscle contraction & relaxation, every organ involved.. everything - what do you think would happen? IMO, what would happen is you'd be confused af at how to even attempt to start explaining it and by the time you could even try to start explaining it that person would be long since dead. This is the same thing with "common sense," IMO, these things are just innately known to people when their brains and bodies are functioning properly - when their digestive tracts are balanced and functioning properly and their guts are sending the appropriate signals to the brain via the vagus nerve - and people just autonomously go with the flow of knowing the right thing to say or do.. but when they're imbalanced & the enteric nervous system isn't firing on all cylinders, well, you get oblivious clueless people saying & doing things that get glares and eye rolls from others. True story.


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01 Jun 2018, 7:35 pm

There are many causes of autism. Autism is a complex neurological disorder, with complex causation. It is mostly a "nature" disorder. But I wouldn't be surprised if some "nurture" aspect is discovered.

I sense there are some "cases" of autism which could have some sort of digestive component to it. Perhaps even a "type" of autism. Perhaps the research you mention will lead to there being a type which has digestive causation as a primary impetus.

But there are other cases where the autism has nothing to do with the "gut flora." And, I would purport, there is a "type" (or types) of autism which lack that connection.



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01 Jun 2018, 7:40 pm

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A person can do whatever they want with themselves as far as I'm concerned. But when that person wants to get others involved then it's not just limited to them any longer. Like wanting someone to travel long distance across an international border to visit them for a demonstration, consultation, whatever.

"I've done this and you need to do it too" "you need to come visit me" etc. If you started posting stuff like that kraftie, about whatever, I'd think the butter slipped off your noodle.

As a sidenote when I think about homeopathic self treatment I think about how Steve Jobs went that route when he probably could have been saved if he had left his treatment up to qualified experts. He finally realized what a huge mistake he made after it was too late and he was plenty intelligent.


That's right, I can do, and do do, whatever I want with myself. Same same for everyone else here.

If you were me and improved your ASD functioning level as much as I have, you'd share it with everyone afflicted by the same condition, too. And then you'd put up with the horrendous negativity & insults from people because you know your message is true despite their disbelief & that it can help people.

Why are you misquoting me? :? I've never once written any of those words. I've said I've done this, and you Can, too. I never ever said you need to come visit me. You don't believe me, so, I invited you to my home & offered to cook dinner so that you can sit live in front of me and hear my voice, see my mannerisms, and know that I am speaking the God's honest truth.

What I do is not considered Homeopathic. It's definitely much more along the lines of Naturopathic. There's a big difference between the two types of medicine & thinking.


It's how I perceived what you have said. As the saying goes, perception is everything. There's a reason why terms like guru, cult leader, cultish, creepy, scary, dodgy etc have been used by others. A person can say those people are completely wrong, but the perception they have exists nonetheless and there is a reason behind it, no matter how much the person in question denys it and writes it off.

I realize now I was using the term homopathic incorrectly. I thought at the time it basically meant a layperson utilizing alternative home-made concoctions to treat a condition. I'll have to find out what the correct term is for that.

It's interesting that you can't seem to come off as well ordered (or whatever you're saying) online as someone is supposed to be able to observe in real life. I am not calling you this or saying that you are saying this, but it's like someone saying, I know I come off as a kooky crackpot online, but if you observe me in person I wouldn't seem that way to you.


You can call me names all you want for being excited to share with this community 5+ years ago that I figured out what was causing my ASD symptoms to be off the charts and how to treat it via diet and natural medicines, but it doesn't change any of it one bit. I figured it out, I did it, I shared with the group. I'm not going to apologize for any of it, ever, and especially not for being excited about something so monumentally huge as this. How was I supposed to react to it and share it? All muted like "Oh, it's no big deal guys.. I just figured out what causes Asperger's Syndrome and how to treat it and live a second life for it." :lol: Give your head a shake.

I'm not sure there is a correct term for a human being using medicine and alleviated symptoms of an ailment, besides "self medicating," - but that usually refers to someone using illicit narcotics, alcohol etc to mask the symptoms of their ailment vs. actually treating something successfully. Maybe you should make up a word for it.

I'm not a "kooky crackpot," online or in real life. I'm the very same person I've told you I am for the last 5+ years: Some autistic guy from Canada who figured out what was causing, or at the very least drastically exacerbating, his ASD symptoms & how to alleviate them via diet & natural medicines. Your calling me names for it because you don't believe what I tell you says more about you than it does about me.

And like I said earlier, Ignaz Semmelweis was "crazy," for telling doctors that their lack of hand washing was killing patients. 168 years later I'm "crazy," for telling other patients that their lack of intestinal cleansing & probiotics is causing their symptoms. Thankfully you're not in charge of ASD studies and Medical Doctors are beginning to figure these things all out now with studies like this one that I shared earlier: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5408485/ and it won't be too much longer until this knowledge is widespread and helping the people it can help. 8)


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01 Jun 2018, 7:41 pm

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For those who supposedly believe in me and claim I'm to negative would you hire me yourself even for a janitor? Next time someone gives me the "you're to negative BS" I'm going to ask them so will you be optimistic yourself and hire me and give me a chance in your company or if you had a company yourself? You believe in me and my abilities. You believe in my intelligence. Would you hire me yourself for any position in your company or if you have one for even a janitor position. If you won't hire me then it's time to call a spade a spade and I'm going to call them a liar.

I'm sick and tired of being told I can do anything I set my mind to and I need to be more positive and I'm intelligent I can do this. f**k that noise! If you truthfully believe these things and I'm worthwhile then train me, invest in me and hire me if you have a company. If you do not would you do these things or would I be to costly to you? If I'm to costly then logically how can you believe in me, believe that my intelligence will help and how will my being positive help at all?


I would. You're difficult at times, but you show promise in your open minded attitude about learning and doing new things vs. simply.. not. Because of how much I know about you, and ASD, and my own struggles several years ago when my symptoms were much stronger, I'd know how to work with you to improve your productivity & would simply accept an ultra low productivity figure in the beginning and consider it a cost of doing business as well as a, not charitable, but more.. philanthropic investment in you. If my hypothetical firm had the money to burn, I'd put you to work expecting very little return on investment until you learned how to do things faster/better.

There are employers out there like that. I've worked with disabled people that bosses keep around because they know they need a job and money, even if they could hire a younger man who's more able bodied than the 67yo stroke victim.. but they pay him to clean up their construction sites because he does a damned good job with a can-do attitude & is a human in need of money to survive.


GF, you would be an awesome boss to work work and here is why. You would inspire loyalty from because you would take time to invest in me. THat is because you believed in me. If I was able to get a job with someone like yourself my attitude would turn around so fast my head would spin. Gf, you're a long term thinker just like the captains of industries of old like Henry Ford. He thought long term and made sure employees could afford his product. I would return my loyalty to you by being a hard and dedicated worker. Yeah, I may be slow and mess up but I will work hard and improve. I would not work for another company even if they offered more money and that is they don't offer what you would offer which is loyalty and belief in me.


Thanks, cube. 8) I've been a decent boss to others the few times I've hired them to do things, and maybe someday I'll be in a position to hire more people to do more things and be a better, more permanent, boss. 8)


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01 Jun 2018, 7:43 pm

I really wouldn't be surprised if "autism," ultimately, becomes "the autisms."

There's already an element of that in the idea that autism is a "spectrum."



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There are many causes of autism. Autism is a complex neurological disorder, with complex causation. It is mostly a "nature" disorder. But I wouldn't be surprised if some "nurture" aspect is discovered.

I sense there are some "cases" of autism which could have some sort of digestive component to it. Perhaps even a "type" of autism. Perhaps the research you mention will lead to there being a type which has digestive causation as a primary impetus.

But there are other cases where the autism has nothing to do with the "gut flora." And, I would purport, there is a "type" (or types) of autism which lack that connection.


That may be. I've never denied it. But the statistics presented in this study overwhelmingly favour the digestive correlation - as in the Vast Majority of people on the spectrum have digestive issues, not a select few. It's likely a small minority that cannot live better lives through medicine by treating the digestive component of ASD. There may be some on the spectrum who's symptoms cannot be improved via diet/probiotics etc, but if the numbers are correct, MOST ASD people can be helped via healing their guts. Clicky clicky and give it a read for yourself & you'll see: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5408485/


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01 Jun 2018, 7:46 pm

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I really wouldn't be surprised if "autism," ultimately, becomes "the autisms."

There's already an element of that in the idea that autism is a "spectrum."


Interesting language semantics.. but you very well could be onto something with that. If it's determined that these cases are caused by this, and those cases are caused by that, then yeah - I can totally see this being a potential future thing. 8)


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01 Jun 2018, 7:51 pm

I believe, once the research is complete, that this exact thing will happen.



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01 Jun 2018, 7:52 pm

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Were you diagnosed with dysparxia and prescribed Dexedrine for it? Dyspraxia and autism have many things in common.


As I've shared here before, I was "diagnosed," (yes, officially) with ADHD & prescribed Dexedrine for that. I put it in "quotations," because after it was brought to my attention by others, I researched it myself, as well as the diagnostic criteria and testing, and diagnosed it myself and then told my GP. He confirmed (because he has credentials - and a prescription pad!) and then thanked me for bringing the diagnostic criteria & tests to his attention so that he's able to use them to diagnose other patients. The prescription, which officially on paper was written by my GP, was also my own. I researched the f**k out of all pharmaceutical options, read user reviews etc, and then told him exactly what I wanted - he went away and read some book & then came back and said, "Well, yeah.. you're right. Here ya go." and that was that. I lucked out that the generic drug company that produces dextroamphetamine in 5mg IR tablets for local pharmacies just happened to be the highest rated one, too, by end users - even higher rated than the original formula by whichever drug maker makes it.

But I stopped taking that s**t a few years ago and no longer need it for the things it was good for. It's side effects and health detriments outweigh it's benefits. Plus I no longer need it for the things I took it for, so, no point in poisoning myself with unnecessary pharmaceuticals. I have a bunch of them sitting in a drawer for if and when I ever feel the need to take one, so like, maybe if I've been up for 24h and some whacko decides it's time to fight me.. then I'd pop a couple just for the strength and stamina to kick some ass on zero sleep lol.

Except that dyspraxia is characterized by physical symptoms and autism by behavioural & social ones.. yeah, sure, they're exactly the same.

And like I was transparent about 5+ years ago: I am one like Tony Attwood described who has symptoms of ADHD, OCD, Tourettes, and Aspeger's. And also like I shared back then, dyspraxia, depression/anxiety, and chronic fatigue symptoms - ALL of which are linked by intestinal dysbiosis and treatable via healing & balancing one's gut. I know because I've done it and realized the health benefits of it for the last 5 years or so. Doctors & medical researchers are slowly catching up with all the hard science to explain it all now, finally.


I was just wondering if you had been prescribed dexdrine for dyspraxia is all. Doctors will often let the patient call the shots if that means the patient will actually follow through with treatment. It's good to know doctors and medical researchers are finally catching up to you :P

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I'm not a "kooky crackpot," online or in real life. I'm the very same person I've told you I am for the last 5+ years: Some autistic guy from Canada who figured out what was causing, or at the very least drastically exacerbating, his ASD symptoms & how to alleviate them via diet & natural medicines. Your calling me names for it because you don't believe what I tell you says more about you than it does about me.


More like descriptive language and perceptions from several people. People don't believe you, because of the way you come across here.



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There are many causes of autism. Autism is a complex neurological disorder, with complex causation. It is mostly a "nature" disorder. But I wouldn't be surprised if some "nurture" aspect is discovered.

I sense there are some "cases" of autism which could have some sort of digestive component to it. Perhaps even a "type" of autism. Perhaps the research you mention will lead to there being a type which has digestive causation as a primary impetus.

But there are other cases where the autism has nothing to do with the "gut flora." And, I would purport, there is a "type" (or types) of autism which lack that connection.


I think it depends on the level of autism, the psychology and the physiology of the person involved. I believe someone with very mild autism can have more pronounced symptoms due to outside factors. So it could be that gut flora doesn't actually have anything to do with autism itself, but rather affects other factors that exacerbate autistic symptoms in certain people. This is why it is important for test subjects to be thoroughly examined, to find out what all is wrong with them.



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01 Jun 2018, 9:23 pm

I know, when I have a stomachache, that I tend to feel and act more "autistic."

In this case, it's definitely not a "symptom" of autism. It is something which exacerbates it.



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01 Jun 2018, 10:08 pm

That's been discussed at length on WP. Ever since this forum started I'm sure. Better and worse autism. But I think what it really is, is that the better autism is the actual degree of autism and the worse autism is that baseline degree of autism becoming exacerbated by any number of things. So the question is, do autism treatments actually treat autism itself, or do they actually just only treat other factors that can make autism symptoms worse? My belief is that it's the latter. And furthermore the factors that exacerbate autism symptoms could vary drastically on a case by case basis.