Just because I have AS, do I have to respect all autists?

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This reveals more about you than it does about me. Oh so this site already has a token sociopath?



1. You are here with multiple sock puppets or couple of like minded ad just having a little fun. I'm sure if that were the case, nobody here would get it anyway.

2. Thrash your thread? Oh no not at all. You see while others are putty and are clueless about the compulsive lying part of sociopaths, I see right through your bs. It takes one to know one I find it laughable how often it works. People always forget that our kind usually blame everything on something else even made up events. What a bunch of tools!

3. Another possibility is that maybe you a disgruntled banned member or someone who just wants to drive people out but if that's the case, you're going to need help doing it.

I will compliment you on your style but calling me a stalker? I haven't done that in a year, honest! Please that's all in the past.


To whoever was writing in such an understanding way about all I was saying was not be fat or whatever you wrote and whoever you are...thanks for dumbing it down so the rest of the imbeciles could get the point and not get their feelings hurt. Screw you for making it out to be something that has a nicer interrpretation and needs to be understood more. Go rot in hell.

aspiesteve(too)
if you think everone here is playing the victim card and don't like it then why are you here?
are you just here to make yourself feel better?
by trying to put others down, you seem to be showing typical bully tactics by picking on those that cannot defend themselves!
you should be ashamed of yourself, after all this is suposed to be a support forum.
if you enjoy trolling and flaming so much, there are plenty of other places where people do this.

Just to clarify what i said earlier about people having no discernable personalities, in most of the posts on wrong planet it's true. But zoonic somehow manages to post questions that bring people's true colours out and i like that. This thread says pratically nothing about the forum troll either except for the fact he gets kicks from getting a response out of people. The thread does however say LOTS about the people who have posted here, not that i attribute postive or negative qualities to people, a personality is always a neutral thing. It's just ashame people can't regularly post with such passion.

In answer to the question posed in the thread title, I don't so I wouldn't see why anyone else should. Interesting that I haven't seen this come up before. I completely agree. This isn't going to win me any friends, but I find a lot of people on the spectrum repulsive, and those with Kannerian autism in no way related to me.

I just read a thread about asperger subtypes and it made me think. Maybe the reason for the mostly generic, stereotype approach to AS on WP is that most AS people who seek out internet forums are of a similar AS subtype. You don't see many "paranoid" or "angry boy" types here, the subtypes which best describe me. Speaking of my own experience, I hated my own AS and denied it for most of my life, just a few years ago registering on an asperger forum would have been unthinkable to me. It's possible certain AS subtypes don't normally join communities and don't normally speak about their AS.

As an example, I posted a thread about "violent behaviour as a kid" which got very little response. What defined my behaviour in younger years was in fact my violent tantrums where I destroyed property and sometimes hurt people really bad. This is a less common type of AS and it seems even less common on internet communities. The first thing on here I could relate to 100% was the thread about obsessing with people.

Oh, I've meant to actually write a reply to this.. but forgot because I was distracted by aspiesteve there.

The answer to the title question? No. No you don't. You don't have to respect all autistics, and you don't have to respect someone just because they are autistic.
However.
You should not disrespect someone because they are autistic, or down's, or any other dx (general or specific) they may or may not have.
Nor should you dehumanize them.

Okay. This.
Respect/disrespect is not the same thing as like/love/dislike/hate.
Nor do they always have to go hand in hand.
It is possible to intensely dislike someone/something, or even hate them; and yet still respect them.
It is also possible to like or even love someone/something, and not respect them.

To give you a few examples:
Dislike/hate but respect:
I do not like Jenny McCarthy. She annoys me greatly, and I dislike her. I find her idiotic.
But yet. I respect that she is a person, a human. I can even respect her dedication, even though the dedication is to something I find completely moronic.

Autism Speaks. A company I loath greatly.
But I can respect them for being quite good at getting people's attention. Even if they do it in ways I consider very wrong.

Flip-side; like/love but don't respect:
This one being slightly more personal...
My dad. I like my dad; love him most of the time.
But I rarely respect him; I find it near impossible to do so. I often think of him as a 13 year-old stuck in a man's body. He often uses words that are prejudice to insult people. I just can't respect that.






Hon, I ain't your tool.
And don't forget, a tool may turn in your hand. Think about that, won't you?

Please, people... don't feed the troll, whomever he/she is.

I also think that most people here do not categorize people and have the "us vs. them" mentality. I think that those that do have a tendency to stick in the minds of those of us that don't.

I've met some absolutely fantastic people here on Wrong Planet. I would say that very few of them resort to the type of behavior and attitude to which Zoonic refers.

Yeah, TELL ME ABOUT IT! To be a sociopath would require things that go AGAINST AS, and the AS entry DOES say that no other diagnosis matches better.

And it is DUMB to say that a person with an attribute can have a diagnosis because someone else was likewise diagnosed. People with TANGIBLE and PROVABLE problems are misdiagnosed ALL THE TIME! They are either confirmed or rejected based on some test that says they CAN'T have it.

Psychiatry does NOT have that ability, at least not as far as many are concerned. Psychiatrists treat it as a cashcow based on whims and agenda.

Still, most seem completely unable to grasp my way of thinking and instead either dismiss me as "not having AS" or try to assimilate me by projecting their own AS-type on me, as if there were just one form of AS and it manifested itself similarly in everyone. I don't feel there's a lot of understanding here. However there is a lot of conformity.

There are a lot of presumptions being made all the time based on narrow ideas about how AS must manifest itself and what can and what can not be AS. There's basically just one AS sub-type officially represented on WP and most people believe it's the only one in existence. There's a lot of ignorance here.

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My neurological wiring is probably closer to neurotypical than to that of the average kanner's autie, or maybe even many diagnosed AS.
That's just a thought. I don't see all aspies as one of "my kind".
I also don't want to relate with this gay aspie guy who's a total pervert to me and in general. I also don't want to relate with any of the other autistics I've met IRL.
I don't fit in with anybody, aspie or NT.

i have no such "us and them" based biases, after all we all have NT family members.
NTs can't help being NT any more than aspies can help being aspies.
imho, you should hate/disrespect nobody just because they were born a certain way or because they look a little odd.
Is this more to do with just being embaraced to be seen with someone whose hair sticks up or whatever.
Why do people appear to be so shallow and judgemental? i just don't get it.

I personally do not in any way want to be associated with certain autistic types.

Yes, okay, I could see that. A lot of the "you have it / don't have it" opinions have roots in the "Do You Think I Have AS?" forum posts we get here quite a bit. WP members appear to be asked our opinion about this sort of stuff fairly regularly. I imagine it would be easy to get a sense of self-importance over this... that somehow we are "experts" on diagnosing people given a paragraph of their life story. Maybe some of us have researched / obsessed over AS long enough to be fairly knowledgeable, however it hardly makes us impartial judges of who has or does not have AS. If I ever give an answer to these posts, it is usually a non-committal response such as, "You seem to have a lot of the classic of traits AS that many have; go see a professional opinion if it matters to you."

I just generally think we pay way too much attention to the "have it / don't have it" line while missing out on the broader picture: who we really are.

YEAH, I know what you mean. It is like saying all humans have no less than 8 essential amino acids, have red blood cells, are mammals, primates, and should have 4 limbs and opposible thumbs! Yep, IGNORANT!

Zoonic, most NTs don't want to be in a group with certain types of NT people. Think jocs vs. nerds.
It only makes sense that we don't want people to think we're the same as someone else because we both have mild impairment of social skills and a little obsessive behaviour.
EDIT: There is a lot more neurological diversity on the entire spectrum than among just NTs, and different aspies and auties have totally different "differences" anyway, so maybe it's not quite the same.
Anyway, I have an aspie friend who I'd never want to be grouped in with. He's ret*d.

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Sociopathy isn't a medical diagnosis and there is nothing in the sociopathy criteria that discludes asperger's or autism. Infact, people on the spectrum are more susceptable to being sociopath's due to a poor theory of mind and broken empathy. Who we are as a person is mostly dictated by how we are brought up, who our parents are and what environment we live in. In most civilised societies people will not become sociopaths, that doesn't prevent extremely bad parents from mostly isolating their children and giving them an extremely skewed world veiw however.

Also the fact everyone veiws sociopathy as a bad thing highlights the misinformation about the condition and to be honest, with all the negative press and propaganda about autism, especailly with the news stories stating how someone killed somebody because of their autism i'd expect better from the people on this forum. There is nothing in the sociopathy criteria that states that the person MUST break laws, it is perfectly possible to be a sociopath and be rule-abiding.