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What a hoot the meetings would be!

ruveyn

id be doing nothing but stimming lol and talking about my obsessions

Strapples,
I recently joined Mensa, and I've told you before that I'm blind on top of having AS. Your argument that disabled people can't get accommodations for tests is BS. You don't have to take a test at some Mensa center. I took mine somewhere else where they could give some of them orally or tactually. I haven't been attending meetings lately because of a schedule conflict with my summer class. however when I have gone, the people seemed very nice. They seemed to have lives of their own as I do. None of my close friends are in Mensa, and I certainly don't limit myself to only hanging around Mensa members or think that I'm better than you, so I fail to see why some of you make this stupid argument over and over.

Thanks, KateShroud. I was in Mensa for about 10 years from 1993 and I do not regard them as being snobbish. There were plenty of times when I was embarrassed by my own stupidity and would assume the worst about what other members would think of me but that was a mindset which had already developed in relation to society as a whole, and which came from experience of being an undiagnosed Aspie in a neurotypical world. In reality, I think Mensa members were much more accommodating than most of society. I now consider rejoining Mensa in the future as a form of post-diagnostic celebration.

I took an adapted IQ test as part of my classic autism HFA diagnosis and i got 80 (10 points above mental retardation) I could never even be in MENSA even though my special interests if they made all the questions centered around that I would make the grade. that is why I don't like MENSA, they cram everyone into one standardized test.

I don't even have any desire to join MENSA anyways as the only members I have talked to (besides you and the below poster) were total snobs. let alone paying yearly dues just to be in a club... not my thing.

They actually don't, they accept many different types of IQ test. There's nothing standardized about the way they admit people.

80? That alone tells me that IQ tests, even adapted ones, can't actually measure intelligence. The scales for these things describe 80-90 as "dull normal". Likee you said, 10 points above mental retardation. And yet you wrote the post that I quoted and many other intelligent posts. It seems like somebody who is "dull" wouldn't be able to post anything deeper than "dude you rawk" or "dude you suck" (which I've seen on too many other message boards).

My own personal way of guestimating intelligence is from posts. This is flawed in its own way because even though it accounts for people who can type better than they can speak (which would include nonverbal people who can type), it doesn't account for people who can't type. And its greatest limitation is that it's incredibly subjective and based on what I happen to think of as intelligent posting. Maybe I'm underselling the "dude you rawk" posters from other boards.

Anyway, I can't believe somebody who thinks so deeply about these things could be possibly be nearly mentally ret*d. It just doesn't make sense. There is something deeply wrong with the way intelligence is being assessed. Or maybe mentally ret*d people are a whole lot smarter than I thought.

This is why I like hanging out on WP. It's not just that I'm an NT parent of an AS child and so troll this place for helpful hints, it's also that I'm finding a deeper level of discussion here than I've found in other places. And this from people whose stated IQs are all over the place. Maybe it's that IQ tests are uniquely horrible at measuring autistic intelligence- even the adapted ones. But I think they maybe aren't so hot at measuring NT intelligence either. I think they are really only good for what Binet invenetd them for 100 years ago: figuring out what supports a kid may need in school.

Thanks Janissy, this is why I think IQ tests and MENSA are both heavily flawed.

I am sure they'd rather have a gun to their head than admit me, unless they accept a totally NON IQ focused test like uhh *pulls out standard test for rehab technician certification in the united states*

Yeah, and those darn womens toilets! I think it's a damn right outrage i'm not allowed to do my business in there, i mean what the heck? And they have the cheek to say i'm male?!? Based on some stupid test that claims having a penis and male productive organs and a male identity means i'm male! They should use some other test that is completely detached from what sex you are to determine which toilets you can frequent.

^que?^

Actually, if you present as female in how you are dressing and living (and not simply cross dressing), you legally are supposed to be using the women's washrooms in most places as a form of antidiscriminatory laws protecting transsexuals. So, if you want to use the women's restrooms so badly, go get in line for for gender transition, and start living life as a female, and you too can use our washrooms

the above two posts = major

Never thought much of MENSA tbh -.- I've only met like 1 person ever that was in it and she was pretty mean with me. <.<

Ehhh... n=1 doesn't give you any sort of statistical significance.

I think that if your IQ is the only thing you have to be proud of, you're not using whatever skills that IQ represents. The most charitable thing I could say about such people is that they might have been held back by refusal to accommodate for non-IQ-related disabilities for so long that they have given up on using their abilities; but for the most part, getting hung up on your IQ and assuming that you don't need any more than that is not going to get you any respect from me.

Callista wrote:

You're right; there's so much more in life to be proud of than just IQ. Heck, I'm not even proud of that if I have one because a person whose IQ's lower than mine can have more talent than me.

Like I said in my first post, IQ doesn't mean a thing in the real world; what you do does. If I just sit there sitting my butt all day doing nothing then I'm just a waste to society. You don't get special treatment just because you're smart. I mean, look at prodigies, look at Paolini. Just because they achieved something at a young age, do they deserve to get amnesties for misdemeanors or get recieve raving reviews because their work is crap (which I think the whole Inheritence Cycle is)? No! Nobody gives a crap about their status. Nobody gives a crap on how popular they are. It would be as if the President can shoot nuclear missles at North Korea without the U.N. punishing the United States or without China retaliating.

If you want more proof, just read the parable of the prodigal son in Luke 15: 11-32 in the Bible.
You'll see the story's just like Mensa.

That's all I have to say.