My Aspie son has threatened to kill me.
Before you start taking sides, try to understand that it is a 13 year old boy whom you have never met that you are judging. Take a step back and ask yourself why this mother did what she did in broadcasting these stories before you decide to lynch me as well.
There is no "side" to this. Stop looking for abuse & persecution (from his mother) where there is none. His behavior, for whatever the reason he acts the way he does, is unacceptable. The worst his mother might do now is take away his computer. If acts that way when he gets out in the real world (in just a couple years) he will end up in prison or dead.
His mother came here looking for help. Her son has turned into a moody, sulking, violent person and she doesn't know what to do. If she just wanted to just be rid of him she would have called the police instead of seeking help on an AS forum.
We all agree that yes, she needs to try to get to the root of her son's anger and try & help him. But in the mean time it is in no way acceptable that he treats her or anyone else the way he has been. That would be unacceptable behavior from a five year old, let alone from an almost grown up.
I recognize the boy is desperately in need of help. there just isn't enough information to determine anything else, including all the BS stuff you accuse people of. stop lumping everyone together and telling us we're all wrong. it's really f*****g annoying.
But from what his mother has revealed, it is clear that not everyone thinks of him as a monster. He has friends whom he plays with online. Here is at least one inconsistency in her portrait of her son. This potential psychotic murderer is not the frightening loner that you might think him to be. Some people regard him as a worthwhile human companion.
The issue is highly sensitive and this is not the first time I have responded as such to similar postings. From the way people are responding to this issue, you can see why the abused Aspie child can never hope to win. They are the monsters that everyone agrees must be “taught a lesson”.
Before you start taking sides, try to understand that it is a 13 year old boy whom you have never met that you are judging. Take a step back and ask yourself why this mother did what she did in broadcasting these stories before you decide to lynch me as well.
Pfft, if the 13 year old were normal, my thinking would still be the same. This is nothing to do with AS of what I think shall happen with him. If he were ret*d and he were still acting that way, my thinking would still be the same, if he were severely autistic, my thinking would still be the same, if he were suffering from schizophrenia or bipolar, my thinking would still be the same.
You seem to think it's okay for the kid to act that way because he has AS? What's the matter with you? If he were normal, would you still think it's okay for him to act that way?
I recognize the boy is desperately in need of help. there just isn't enough information to determine anything else, including all the BS stuff you accuse people of. stop lumping everyone together and telling us we're all wrong. it's really f***ing annoying.
Maybe the guy is violent himself? People tend to stick up for others of their own kind.
Ask him up front, as it may turn out it was one of those thoughts you have, but don't really fully mean, you just think you do. Anyway, ask him and tell him that he wont want do do anything that he would regret, but to be on the safe side hide away all knives and club like stuff, as without them you could over power him if he did try and kill you. Get him to see a phycologist if he does say he genuinely wants to ill you...
Well you and granatelli and go f**k yourselves bhetti. I am disgusted by how some of you have behaved towards this kid. You talk of him like he is some third party object when in fact it is likely that he will read what is said about him here. Can any of you imagine what it would be like for him to do that? The pain would be deep and devastating. This is perhaps the reason why his mother has chosen to publicize her side of the story on an open forum. In and of itself, such a callous act would constitute abuse as the ego of the victim is being thoroughly demolished. Those who jumped on the bandwagon to castigate the boy have become party to the abuse of the child.
What I have said is perturbing because some of you have probably done similar things and, like all people who abuse children, refuse to acknowledge it as such. You think of it as coping or fixing the problem and justify the hurt caused on the grounds that ultimately you love the child. Let me make this clear: IT IS NEVER RIGHT TO HURT CHILDREN.
Well just say what you really feel, don't hold anything back. : )
Seriously, I'm not going to stand here & trade insults with you, because obviously nothing I could ever say would be as damning or as insulting as your very own words. You've painted a very clear picture of the type of person you are.
Let me ask you something though. How many children do you have?
What I have said is perturbing because some of you have probably done similar things and, like all people who abuse children, refuse to acknowledge it as such. You think of it as coping or fixing the problem and justify the hurt caused on the grounds that ultimately you love the child. Let me make this clear: IT IS NEVER RIGHT TO HURT CHILDREN.
Well just say what you really feel, don't hold anything back. : )
Seriously, I'm not going to stand here & trade insults with you, because obviously nothing I could ever say would be as damning or as insulting as your very own words. You've painted a very clear picture of the type of person you are.
Let me ask you something though. How many children do you have?
What I have said is perturbing because some of you have probably done similar things and, like all people who abuse children, refuse to acknowledge it as such. You think of it as coping or fixing the problem and justify the hurt caused on the grounds that ultimately you love the child. Let me make this clear: IT IS NEVER RIGHT TO HURT CHILDREN.
This thread should be closed. It's benefiting no one. I think we have been duped and taken for a ride while the OP has never returned or acknowledged any of our suggestions on the thread she started and has recently commented on what a wonderful and friendly place WP is, completely unaware or so it seems, of the chaos going on here. Somethings rotten in Denmark.
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my son, the one who was formerly the terror toward me and my daughter, is now being terrorized himself by a step-brother who destroys the house and verbally abuses him. no one is abusing that kid, except by not getting him the help he needs. I don't really care why the kid is doing it (although I know why he is), but his mother should. my ex just enables him by fixing everything he breaks and everyone tiptoes around him so they don't set him off. my main concern is getting my kid the f**k out of there before he ends up in the hospital.
I just found all this out tonight and there isn't anything I can do until I can get my son's therapists involved.
I think it's not that it's okay, but that when someone who isn't good at expressing themselves and is extremely miserable says something like that, it could be more of an expression of emotion than an actual threat. He may feel like everyone else is getting away with bullying him. He may feel like nothing he does is ever good enough. He may feel like it doesn't matter how hard he tries to stay calm and hold in his feelings, because he still won't get things right. Making him feel more ganged up on probably won't improve the situation. It all depends on the what he means and why. He may need help to feel in control of himself..
Context is always important. We all know how quoting a statement out of context can result in misunderstanding, intentional or not. In addition to context, obviously it is sensible and wise to consider both sides of the story. Without proper knowledge of 1)context and 2)hearing both sides, any advice proffered will be useless, and potentially harmful as well. We all know this, so why do we err? I don't think we can claim ignorance. It's also implausible that we forget the laws of common sense. Is it because we sincerely want to help, but aren't too wise in our endeavors? I'd like to think so....There are other dynamics at play here, and perhaps now is the appropriate time to discuss them: socialization and our justice system.
Socialization may always have consisted of training people to be narcissistic, irresponsible and infantile, to create scapegoats, and to feel justified in squashing and defaming the weak. However, just because everyone does it, doesn't make it right. There are some among us who believe in doing what is difficult: Determining for oneself what is right, and following that course-----even if no one else is doing it.
On the one hand, we are encouraged to be law abiding citizens, compassionate and fair. On the other hand, our esteemed leaders are more often than not the opposite: Narcissistic liars, neither fair, nor compassionate, nor law abiding. They are frequently held up as role models, until caught in some nefarious deed or deeds. So we learn it is okay to refuse to be accountable and responsible, and it is alright to blame others for our own misdeeds, because our leaders do it. Those who are setting an example for the rest of us often get away with it, so why shouldn't we?
We are sending mixed messages to our people, and it is no wonder our children are confused and frustrated. Even the so-called normal ones. The super sensitive ones, like autistic children, are much more at risk for being frustrated, and also for being the targets of sadistic bullies---due to communication deficits and lack of social skills. On the one hand, it is virtuous to be law abiding. On the other hand, cheating is okay, as long as you don't get caught. Our society is not only creating bullies, but it also condones their actions both explicitly and implicitly. When we do something wrong or illegal, best to have someone else take the fall. That's what the strong do, and the strong always survive. Let the weak be blamed for everything that goes wrong. Bullying the weak is frequently considered socially acceptable, and it continues to escalate when it is ignored, as it so often is. Unless and until we tackle the really corrosive elements of the society we force on our innocent children, we have no right blaming them for its inherent flaws...
So how does our justice system usually work? Well, the rich and greedy can buy their way off the hook. And the poor can't afford a proper defense, so even if they are innocent, their attorneys aren't skilled enough to obtain a just verdict for them. Sometimes I ask myself---Is this for real? Or am I stuck in a recurring nightmare? It's all too real. Greed rules. And it rules because it buys superficial happiness and sham justice. It also rules, because it has yet to be effectively challenged. The mistakes that several contributors to this thread have made, are flashing red lights that it's high time we examine core issues that cause our distress....and stop blaming each other. We need NO FAULT solutions, wherein no one is blamed, and everyone wins. The first step is to disallow scapegoating and bullying. Until then, we are just kidding ourselves that there will be effective solutions to anything.
In so many ways, we are insuring that scoundrels, crooks, and immoral people rise to the top. We make them strong because we don't effectively challenge an unfair system of justice and a rather inept system of socialization. To put it bluntly---the rules suck!
Without considering context, without considering the adolescent's point of view, without really knowing much at all about what is going on here.......without taking into consideration our intrinsically, deeply flawed system of socialization and justice, where the strong consistently oppress the weak, and such oppression is generally held up to us as examplary, how can we feel justified in offering advice?
Sorry for the rant/editorial
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