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05 Jun 2010, 3:02 am

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Isn't it kind of funny how children are the only group of people whom it is considered OK to hate or dislike only because of their age?! 8O


I don't think that's true; I've seen people hate all ages because of their age, and they get a lot of people agreeing with them that the hatred is ok.


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06 Jun 2010, 3:27 pm

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Do you mind if a cat locks eye contact with you? My cat does this a lot.


I've never had a cat stare me down before. My cat makes eye contact with me and cries when he wants to be fed or wants attention but if I turn my head he dosen't turn his in the same direction. I know the baby didn't know any better, it just triggered an impuslise that I fought off. If the baby hadn't stared me down I probably wouldn't have thought anything other than, "That's an ugly baby."

I NEVER want to have children and NEVER want to get married. I'm happy being asexual and find hugging and kissing just as repulsive as intercourse.


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09 Jun 2010, 10:52 am

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AnnePande wrote:
Isn't it kind of funny how children are the only group of people whom it is considered OK to hate or dislike only because of their age?! 8O


i do not agree. most people dislike people who do not adore children.
say what you want to say directly.


Sorry if it was unclear... directly spoken, I mean: I have often met people who claim that they "hate" or "dislike" children, but if some said that they hated or disliked adults or older people alone because of their age, I am sure there would be a protest. Therefore I have wondered why it's okay to dislike children.
And when I have heard people claim that, I've never heard that the people they talked to spoke against it.
Once I did. And they were like, hmm, we never thought about that before, but yes, it is unfair really...
Hope this was more clear. I just wrote about what I have experienced myself.

People also protest when others claim they dislike some only because of race, gender, sexual orientation, disability (!) etc. So why not age?



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09 Jun 2010, 10:55 am

Who_Am_I wrote:
AnnePande wrote:
Isn't it kind of funny how children are the only group of people whom it is considered OK to hate or dislike only because of their age?! 8O


I don't think that's true; I've seen people hate all ages because of their age, and they get a lot of people agreeing with them that the hatred is ok.


OK. I've just experienced the other thing.
And no, I don't think it's okay to hate people only because of age. Like it's not okay to hate people because of race etc.I don't see why age should be any different. You can't help it anyway, just let the time pass.



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09 Jun 2010, 11:46 am

It makes me sad to see so many people harbour such negative emotions towards other living beings. I'm not surprised, because I know people are capable of really ugly emotions, aspies are probably just more honest about them, so I don't think the feelings themselves are an aspie-trait. I'm biased of course, from having children myself, but if you had spoken that way about other groups of people or even animals it still would have disappointed me.

It's not that I object to people being irritated by the sounds and smells of babies and the space they take up literally and figuratively. It's the fact that you seem to accept those feelings as justified. Your feelings are just that your feelings. They are not the truth or any objective judgement on babies as such. A lot of the posters here seem to almost indulge in their hatred and it strikes me as very unhealthy. Nobody is forcing you to have a baby (I hope you won't). If you have to be around one, keep in mind that the baby is not irritating. You're irritated! It's not the baby's fault, it's you own primitive gut reaction which you are allowing to rampage freely through your system without recognizing the ultimate subjectivity of any given emotion.

Ick! This is one of the reasons I panic in public sometimes. Not because babies and children are loud and messy but because people harbour hateful thoughts and feelings and sometimes I feel infested by it!



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09 Jun 2010, 12:13 pm

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It makes me sad to see so many people harbour such negative emotions towards other living beings. I'm not surprised, because I know people are capable of really ugly emotions, aspies are probably just more honest about them, so I don't think the feelings themselves are an aspie-trait. I'm biased of course, from having children myself, but if you had spoken that way about other groups of people or even animals it still would have disappointed me.

It's not that I object to people being irritated by the sounds and smells of babies and the space they take up literally and figuratively. It's the fact that you seem to accept those feelings as justified. Your feelings are just that your feelings. They are not the truth or any objective judgement on babies as such. A lot of the posters here seem to almost indulge in their hatred and it strikes me as very unhealthy. Nobody is forcing you to have a baby (I hope you won't). If you have to be around one, keep in mind that the baby is not irritating. You're irritated! It's not the baby's fault, it's you own primitive gut reaction which you are allowing to rampage freely through your system without recognizing the ultimate subjectivity of any given emotion.

Ick! This is one of the reasons I panic in public sometimes. Not because babies and children are loud and messy but because people harbour hateful thoughts and feelings and sometimes I feel infested by it!


So if my sister lets her little son act like a maniac, yell, throw things about, and drive up my stress levels, I'm not justified in being irritated? It's all purely in my own head?

I don't hate him, the little dude is sweet, but I have a feeling I'll like him a bit more when he is older and calmer...


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09 Jun 2010, 12:16 pm

LipstickKiller wrote:
It makes me sad to see so many people harbour such negative emotions towards other living beings. I'm not surprised, because I know people are capable of really ugly emotions, aspies are probably just more honest about them, so I don't think the feelings themselves are an aspie-trait. I'm biased of course, from having children myself, but if you had spoken that way about other groups of people or even animals it still would have disappointed me.

It's not that I object to people being irritated by the sounds and smells of babies and the space they take up literally and figuratively. It's the fact that you seem to accept those feelings as justified. Your feelings are just that your feelings. They are not the truth or any objective judgement on babies as such. A lot of the posters here seem to almost indulge in their hatred and it strikes me as very unhealthy. Nobody is forcing you to have a baby (I hope you won't). If you have to be around one, keep in mind that the baby is not irritating. You're irritated! It's not the baby's fault, it's you own primitive gut reaction which you are allowing to rampage freely through your system without recognizing the ultimate subjectivity of any given emotion.

Ick! This is one of the reasons I panic in public sometimes. Not because babies and children are loud and messy but because people harbour hateful thoughts and feelings and sometimes I feel infested by it!


As I said earlier in the thread, I'm not annoyed by children or babies, but I am annoyed by society's attitude towards them, where they let them get away with anything just because they're young. I'd like to know your views on this issue.



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09 Jun 2010, 12:38 pm

Mechanical girl: I think you should be more annoyed with your sister.

Which leads me straight to my second point: no I don't like that some people raise their children to be inconsiderate little replicas of themselves, but I won't blame that on the child. Yes, as the child grows older they have to take the consequences of their parents' mistakes and be responsible for their behaviour, but the OP was about babies. What does bother me about crying babies is I feel their pain so intensely because they have so little to say about how the world and their parents treat them, and sometimes parents will let them "cry it out" so as not to spoil them. That bothers me. The crying itself doesn't bother me because the pain would still be there even if I wasn't around to hear it, but it bothers me how some parents fail to empathize with their children.

But I still stand by my original post, I still think it would be healthier to bear in mind that although your perspective may be the only one you have it doesn't mean it's the only one there is and hating is not a proportional reaction to a child who is doing what everyone else is doing, which is trying to get by. The child murderers, well I'm always at a loss when it comes to the depths of gruesomeness of human nature. But anyone who hates a baby just for being a baby needs a serious change of perspective in my book, or at least the realization that you have to own your hatred and not blame it on the child.

Emotions are not truth. For some reason I had imagined this would be easier for aspies to grasp, being more rational than the average person.



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09 Jun 2010, 12:49 pm

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Mechanical girl: I think you should be more annoyed with your sister.

Which leads me straight to my second point: no I don't like that some people raise their children to be inconsiderate little replicas of themselves, but I won't blame that on the child. Yes, as the child grows older they have to take the consequences of their parents' mistakes and be responsible for their behaviour, but the OP was about babies. What does bother me about crying babies is I feel their pain so intensely because they have so little to say about how the world and their parents treat them, and sometimes parents will let them "cry it out" so as not to spoil them. That bothers me. The crying itself doesn't bother me because the pain would still be there even if I wasn't around to hear it, but it bothers me how some parents fail to empathize with their children.

But I still stand by my original post, I still think it would be healthier to bear in mind that although your perspective may be the only one you have it doesn't mean it's the only one there is and hating is not a proportional reaction to a child who is doing what everyone else is doing, which is trying to get by. The child murderers, well I'm always at a loss when it comes to the depths of gruesomeness of human nature. But anyone who hates a baby just for being a baby needs a serious change of perspective in my book, or at least the realization that you have to own your hatred and not blame it on the child.

Emotions are not truth. For some reason I had imagined this would be easier for aspies to grasp, being more rational than the average person.


I don't feel that my perspective is the only one. I just stated that I'm not too fond of babies and children. If others are, good for them. After all someone has to have babies if the human race is not to die out.

Not all Aspies are strong rational thinkers. Some are very emotion-driven and irrational, and with their fixated thinking, no matter how wrong they are, they still cling to their idea. I fell out with one of those Aspies. I still viciously hate her. She was smart enough to know better.


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09 Jun 2010, 2:59 pm

I wouldn't say that I hate babies and children, it's just that I'm not the type of person to care for them. I remember babysitting not too long ago for a sugar rush child... oh my god, I was beyond exhausted after spending the day with him. And it was just for four hours! And when I went to a party last week, there were a ton of little kids there, and the place was so loud I had to hide out in the most obscure room in the house because the kids just wouldn't quiet down. I know some of this exhaustion is from a medical condition, but unlike everyone else in my family (You'll want kids in a few years! Trust me!) I've never looked forward to getting pregnant or having kids. But my medical condition does interfere with my health during pregnancy, and it probably always will, but it doesn't really bother me much that I'd have problems if I wanted to.



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09 Jun 2010, 3:05 pm

I'm not terribly fond of kids in general.

Funny, when I actually WAS a kid I wasn't fond of kids much. I've recalled the flight to Chicago once as a nipper; I was distressed that I was going to have to listen to a screaming TOT on a rather small DC-9 for so much as an hour.

Nowadays, I have friends who have kids but they're older. One friend in particular has the cutest, neatest kids I've ever met and I just love them all! My god nephew is a stellar 10 year old whom I've known since shortly after birth.

But most kids today are BAD, BAD, BAD!! !! It's times like these that I appreciate my lack of eye contact because they mostly seem to get the idea that I do NOT want to be bothered. One kid I know is SO bad because his mother will not DEAL with him. Not only is HE a mess, but she also has problems that partially stem from his behavior.

My suggestion to her is to WHOOP DAT A**! !! !

It will save him in the long run because the po-po don't care if he has ADD or whatever. When he gets older and keeps pulling the stunts he pulls NOW, they will SERIOUSLY HURT him. He can also do time for committing crimes.

As it is now, he has a terrible habit of putting his hands in grown peoples' faces, telling them to shut up, and being a menace - even to adults much bigger than himself (he's 10 y/o and 200 lbs.). In my younger days, that would get your face slapped or worse.

In my work, I also see parents with unruly children and it just sets my nerves on edge - especially when they sit there and look HELPLESS.

I'm just glad I don't have any in this day and age.



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09 Jun 2010, 8:46 pm

I can't say I hate kids in general, only the poorly raised ones who act like little gremlins. With how screwed up this world is, I would never think off bringing a child in this world. I have sworn off procreating. It's not like I have to worry about that happening anyways, with me being alone and all.


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09 Jun 2010, 9:54 pm

Little kids that cry and scream piss me off.



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09 Jun 2010, 11:30 pm

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09 Jun 2010, 11:37 pm

It makes no sense to hate ALL kids. How can you possibly believe that ALL kids are bad?

Then again, you were a kid at some point too. We all were. Everyone in the world was once a small child. So they somehow become better once they turn a certain age?


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09 Jun 2010, 11:38 pm

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I honestly think that having a strong dislike of children, is a natural regulation of behavior that keeps people who are not ready to have them, from having them. If you had a kid when you're not ready, then in the caveman days your child would have been more likely to die, and each child is had at the expense of risking one's own health or the health of the mate. It's an evolutionary adaptive strategy that people should have some aversion to children when they don't have the resources to raise a child successfully according to caveman living standards. That way, children will only be created when one is ready to do so.


Then why do lower income, less educated people have MORE kids??
A: Because they can!
It is true. When one cannot control much in their life, at least they can have a kid. They can create and control something. "do" or "make" something they can feel "proud" of.
Frankly, I think it is cruel when I see people w ill behaved kids from lower socio-economic status dragging kids into this world.
I also think they impose on others who DON'T want kids.