physical deformity in aspergers?

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28 Dec 2010, 12:15 pm

I look like my NT brother a lot, and my dad, and some of my cousins. Just because I have AS, doesn't mean I'm some sort of alien.

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28 Dec 2010, 6:05 pm

Verdandi wrote:

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Its more of an NT thing than anything. Expressionless faces do tend to fall into it according to NTs. WTF do they know anyways, they are to mentally screwed to even survive a day without human contact. Too bad I lost the link to that NT page.

This page? http://isnt.autistics.org/

yeah that one. It is really worth looking at when I need a laugh.

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28 Dec 2010, 6:13 pm

Physical Deformity?
I have a hydrocele...Inb4 TMI.

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29 Dec 2010, 1:45 am

Does anyone suffer from Hypermobility? Being double-jointed, being able to bend joints backwards or lift them out of joint?

I'm curious as my son has it...

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29 Dec 2010, 4:07 am

AS_mom wrote:

Does anyone suffer from Hypermobility? Being double-jointed, being able to bend joints backwards or lift them out of joint?

I'm curious as my son has it...

I have hypermobility. My fingers can bend back 110-120 degrees, I can dislocate my shoulder joints and relocate them in a controlled fashion, sort of with my hips as well.

I wouldn't say I suffer from it though. :wink:

It's not causing me any real problems, although I'm told it might later in life.

And hi. First post, though I've been lurking here for a while. I'm 30, male, got my official AS diagnosis a few weeks ago.

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29 Dec 2010, 4:25 am

AS_mom wrote:

Does anyone suffer from Hypermobility? Being double-jointed, being able to bend joints backwards or lift them out of joint?

I'm curious as my son has it...

Yes, there seems to be an association between autism and joint hypermobility. There are several papers noting an association and many web documents. It is even possibly related to a particular form of autism, in that people with joint hypermobility and autism may also share other similarities.

There is a recent paper "Morphological Features in Children with Autism Spectrum Disorders: A Matched Case–Control Study" by Heval Ozgen et al with a list of physical characteristics of autism - http://www.springerlink.com/content/ck4 ... lltext.pdf - which states that there are many measurable physical characteristics that are exaggerated in some people with autism. It is even possible that a combination of these characteristics, none of which is exceptional alone, may together be indicative of autism or be an "autistic look".

The title of this thread, "deformity", is wrong. Autistic physical characteristics are all within the normal range of measurement, otherwise they would be a part of the diagnostic process.

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29 Dec 2010, 7:21 am

StuartN wrote:

There is a recent paper "Morphological Features in Children with Autism Spectrum Disorders: A Matched Case–Control Study" by Heval Ozgen et al with a list of physical characteristics of autism - http://www.springerlink.com/content/ck4 ... lltext.pdf - which states that there are many measurable physical characteristics that are exaggerated in some people with autism. It is even possible that a combination of these characteristics, none of which is exceptional alone, may together be indicative of autism or be an "autistic look".

The title of this thread, "deformity", is wrong. Autistic physical characteristics are all within the normal range of measurement, otherwise they would be a part of the diagnostic process.

Very interesting study. These two parts stood out to me particularly.

"Indeed, there is strong indication that individuals with
schizophrenia may display evidence of craniofacial dysmorphology.
Some evidence for such an overlap comes
from the observation that individuals with ASD may also
be at greater risk for schizophrenia"

So there seems to be some overlap in the disorders that also relates to physical characteristics.

"While we did not intend to establish specificity
of single phenotypic characteristics to specific subtypes
of ASD, we consider it possible that sets of physical
anomalies might be related to severity of illness, or those
specific phenotypic behavioral characteristics may define
even more subtypes of ASD."

They note differences, "anomalies" and use the terms "dysmorphology", but you are correct that calling these differences a deformity is not correct. According to the study there are definitely noticeable measurable differences so it does make sense that there is "a look"
I also find it interesting that they think there may be differences between the subtypes.

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29 Dec 2010, 8:05 am

...i do not know why i wrote what i wrote so i deleted it.
too much information.

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30 Dec 2010, 7:12 pm

SearchforSerenity wrote:

Very interesting study. These two parts stood out to me particularly.

"Indeed, there is strong indication that individuals with
schizophrenia may display evidence of craniofacial dysmorphology.

I have been struggling to find another recent paper on facial / cranial measurements that had a set of diagrams used to guide assessment of something like broad face (brady-something?) and a hair pattern with pronounced parting lines, but I can not find it at the moment.

Again, these were features "within the normal range", where people with ASD clustered towards one end of the normal range in several different features. Obviously (or perhaps not obviously) there are people with ASD spread throughout the normal range, but more people than expected are towards one end.

Personally, I like the idea that ASD is associated with concrete, measurable features - such as the low (0.96) index-to-ring finger ratio.

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30 Dec 2010, 8:43 pm

StuartN wrote:

SearchforSerenity wrote:

Very interesting study. These two parts stood out to me particularly.

"Indeed, there is strong indication that individuals with
schizophrenia may display evidence of craniofacial dysmorphology.

The paper had diagrams? I really want to see it. Please post the study if you find it.

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31 Dec 2010, 12:11 am

I always had a brownish spot on my right wrist that I've never understood. Wouldn't call that a deformity and don't think that's related to autism, though

I guess people with ASD have sort of a blank or confused expression at times. I've seen at least one old photograph of myself with this really perplexed look on my face.

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31 Dec 2010, 5:00 am

SearchforSerenity wrote:

The paper had diagrams? I really want to see it. Please post the study if you find it.

I found that it was actually a supplement to the paper I quoted, and the link to the supplement (5) is http://www.springerlink.com/content/ck4 ... M5_ESM.doc from within the HTML version of the paper online.

There is a lot published on the 2D:4D digit ratio (i.e. the index finger being shorter than the ring finger amongst autistic people), probably because it is easy to measure and has very little subjective evaluation.

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31 Dec 2010, 5:45 am

I look like a greek god, but I hide it well.

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31 Dec 2010, 9:18 am

I wouldn't call it deformity. It seemed to me like many have something about their eyes- sort of daydreamy, or sometimes youthful? I'm not sure how to describe it.

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31 Dec 2010, 10:12 am

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jamal is african americn and sometimes stuff he says will seem quite rude if you dont know him. but he is definatley a friend and has helped me out of many tight spots. when i was homeless he taught me to slang trap.

By slang trap, do you mean selling drugs? And it isn't that they helped you out, but WHY they helped you out! There are about 6 reasons he might have helped you out, and only ONE would be friendship. Most people I have helped out were NOT out of friendship.

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I thought it was something to do with our facial features specifically, he was not able to say specifically but he does speak in ebonics and sometimes has trouble expressing himself

ACTUALLY, one speaking "ebonics" is probably MORE likely to know what that word means! Frankly, I DON'T look different. Based on my experience, etc... I think the way I am treated is simply because of how I react, how I act, etc... NOT because of how I look physically. When confronted with such a word, GOOGLE IT! If you make a mistake, google usually catches it and is USUALLY RIGHT!

See, I USED to go farther here, but I'll restrain myself. PERFECT example where I might seem rude, etc.. if I said the full truth.

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31 Dec 2010, 11:06 am

There very well may be a "different" look. I notice it in the eyes.

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