"Suffers from Asperger's Syndrome"
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I now realise ... NT people ... tell each other how to think and they make up random phrases without thinking about the actual meaning of them ...
So, they also have problems but are not defined by them?
Yes I realise that in articles written by NTs for NTs they use phrases like "Unimaginable disaster" or "Tragic series of events" whereas I would prefer just the facts and make my own mind up about how to feel about them. It's an observation I've made of a difference between myself and NTs but I would never give them a standard derogatory term for this like "Suffering from nonliteral disorder and an extreme lack of sense of self resulting in a lifetime dependence on conformism and extreme suggestibility". This is what I would say if I did come up with things like that to define people by things I can find negative about them however I would never try and judge someone like that, I consider myself open minded and would approach any neuro-diversity with respect and use neutral terms. I would not try to come up with negative words to be used as a standard definition of someone based on their weaknesses.
There needs to be the balance that we have some flaws that may need working on, that there are things that are "wrong" with us, but there also needs to be the sense that it isn't all bad, and people with AS can have great lives and overcome some of their issues.
To say that someone suffers from AS is a negative term. So effectively by saying that someone suffers from it, you're saying that there aren't any positives in having it. I personally think there are, as it is a key part of my personality.
100% this, autism needs to be adressed in a more neutral light in the media. Let the reader make up their own mind and not force them down the negative path.
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I now realise ... NT people ... tell each other how to think and they make up random phrases without thinking about the actual meaning of them ...
So, they also have problems but are not defined by them?
I would never give them a standard derogatory term for this like "Suffering from nonliteral disorder and an extreme lack of sense of self resulting in a lifetime dependence on conformism and extreme suggestibility".
I had taken your earlier words literally and misunderstood. You are actually talking about people not being defined by people and not about people not being defined by their problems.
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I think the term "Suffers" is used in a different context..
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/suffer
The term "suffer" doesn't nessecarily mean you're suffering, or in pain, there are other definitions. Such as to undergo change, or even just a disadvantage.
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Yes. Suffering each other can help reduce each other's suffering.
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/suffer
The term "suffer" doesn't nessecarily mean you're suffering, or in pain, there are other definitions. Such as to undergo change, or even just a disadvantage.
The only problem I see with that is that many people may overlook that meaning and take it for its more negative meanings. So either people need to be more aware that it can mean what you said, that it may not necessarily mean pain or to endure something unpleasant, or to use a different term.
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The appropriate response to the aspie unemployment rate is not to give people a disability allowance, it is to address the reasons aspies cannot access and excel in the workplace. Some of those reasons will be disability/sickness due to other things (such as depression) which are more prevalent in the AS population.
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While a lot of autistic people may be unemployed because of barriers to employment, many others may be unemployed because actual employment would be difficult or impossible to maintain even with accommodations in place. While getting people who can work into the workplace is a good thing, I would not assume that it is the best universal solution.
The appropriate response to the aspie unemployment rate is not to give people a disability allowance, it is to address the reasons aspies cannot access and excel in the workplace. Some of those reasons will be disability/sickness due to other things (such as depression) which are more prevalent in the AS population.
There's currently huge structural unemployment in the UK economy. There are 5 million people on some sort of out of work benefit and 500,000 vacancies in the economy. I'm pretty sure both the public and the private sector in a time of economic growth wouldn't be able to create the jobs necessary to put all sick people to work. Never mind the moral issues of putting people that the NHS has deemed to sick to work into Mccjobs. But you are right a truly moral and responsible government would put huge ammounts of money into NHS mental health to try and help people becoming more functioning.
The appropriate response to the aspie unemployment rate is not to give people a disability allowance, it is to address the reasons aspies cannot access and excel in the workplace. Some of those reasons will be disability/sickness due to other things (such as depression) which are more prevalent in the AS population.
So you are suggesting that society at large suffers from Asperger's?
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I often wonder if the big part of the reason why so many aspies are unemployed is because no one will hire them, they won't call them for an interview nor hire them after the interview. Even if they are able to work, places won't keep them despite that they are good at their job but it's people that is their struggle so places let them go because they can't deal with them being socially awkward or asocial or the way they communicate.
Another reason I have is inflexibility. They may react to change and get anxiety and have a meltdown so their bosses fire them before they could even work on it because their business is more important and can't drive away customers because they witnessed an employer having a meltdown. Or they quit before they get fired knowing it will happen.
And another reason is aspies not liking authority and they rely on logic and the bosses don't have time to explain why to everything. They tell you to do something, just do it, they don't have time to say why because if they had to explain their reasons to all their employers, then nothing would ever get done and they have too much on their hands to spend a few minutes to explain why to everyone. So aspies don't do it and they get fired because they didn't obey their boss and do as they said.
And the last thing, sensory issues, it may be too much for the aspie so they may get overwhelmed and have a meltdown but I think they usually quit before they get fired because they know they can't handle it or they just don't apply for that sort of job in the first place knowing they won't be able to.
I could have just quit my two jobs if I wanted to but I am no quitter and I risked getting fired by keeping my two previous jobs and I need a job right so I will do anything to keep one. I was just lucky my boss didn't decide to let me go saying things weren't working out or my office clerk not reporting my performance to our boss. He covered my arse.
There are aspies out there that do quit their jobs when it gets too stressful and then when they are ready to work again, they get a new job. I guess that counts as an impairment in the criteria. But me, I just stayed and dealt with it since finding work is hard. In fact it's other people that have to tell me when to stop and take a rest because I just won't quit. That was why my mom was worried about me in my first relationship because she knows I am the sort of person who won't give up so she thought I wouldn't give up with my ex and would keep trying and trying until I destroy myself and be a whole different person but nope I dumped him and I told her "You can't change someone if they don't want to change and I don't want to live like that for the rest of my life." I knew on my own when to quit and draw the line but it took me longer to realize that.
suf·fer/ˈsəfər/Verb
1. Experience or be subjected to (something bad or unpleasant).
2. Be affected by or subject to (an illness or ailment).
Fits definition number 2 no matter what, and definition number 1 on a subjective basis. This topic is much ado about nothing.
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