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09 Apr 2012, 3:22 pm

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I recommend staying away from the weed.

Just like any other "self-medicating" substance, it can quickly turn into a habit, and that habit can have complications.

I knew a girl who went to nursing school and graduated near the top of her class. She was recruited by hospitals for excellent positions, but she never took a nursing job. Why? She was a habitual pot smoker, and she loved the pot more than she loved her career. I also suspect she was on the spectrum because of the way she behaved. She seemed to use pot to get over some serious interpersonal communication problems. While she was beautiful, she didn't seem to understand social interaction, spoke in a monotone, would say inappropriate things, and lacked empathy. Aside from me, she had no real friends, because she alienated everyone.

Because of the pot, she worried about drug tests and getting pulled over in her car and charged with DWI. She needed the stuff, so she was always hatching plans to get more, lying to people around the clock, etc. It dominated (and eventually seriously messed up) her life.

I know some other people with the pot addiction as well. They paid a heavy price for it: one guy was fired from Wall Street, and a girl was reported to the Department of Child and Family Welfare after her kid got injured while she was stoned.

Unlike alcohol, the stuff is illegal, and the government WILL come after you eventually. It also makes you foggy brained if you use it too much, and can lung damage.

Have a glass of wine instead, and get a designated driver if you are out on the town. It simply isn't worth it.


Watch reefer madness much?



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09 Apr 2012, 9:11 pm

20% of habitual pot smokers complain of chronic bronchitis. "Marijuana likely increases the risk of testicular cancer, prostate cancer, cervical cancer, a type of brain tumor, and the risk of leukemia in the offspring of women who use it during pregnancy."

Sure, alcohol is bad too: can wreck your liver, but let's not pretend pot is good for you--it isn't.

But that isn't why I am telling you to avoid it. You get busted for possession, it could lead to a felony offense, and that could haunt you and limit your job prospects for the rest of your life. Get caught with enough dope on you and that is "intent to distribute"--then they throw you in jail. If a teacher gets caught with pot, that teacher loses her license. If a cop gets caught, he is thrown off the force. I could go on and on ...

I have nothing against people smoking dope: people should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies. I am just letting you know that what appears to you as a simple thing ("everybody does it!") is not simple at all: the US government and local authorities have declared war on dope smokers, and becoming a casualty in that war isn't worth it. It's all fun and games until you get pinched.



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09 Apr 2012, 10:10 pm

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20% of habitual pot smokers complain of chronic bronchitis. "Marijuana likely increases the risk of testicular cancer, prostate cancer, cervical cancer, a type of brain tumor, and the risk of leukemia in the offspring of women who use it during pregnancy."

Well if one wants to avoid the risk of chronic bronchitis they can always make edibles, that gets rid of the smoking issue...or they could vaporize it. Also all the recent things I've read suggest that cannabis does not contribute to cancer and that the cannabanoids reduce the risk of cancer one would have from the carcinogens from smoking.

Sure, alcohol is bad too: can wreck your liver, but let's not pretend pot is good for you--it isn't.

It has its downsides like every other drug, but its certainly no worse than things like alcohol, caffeine or cigarettes.

But that isn't why I am telling you to avoid it. You get busted for possession, it could lead to a felony offense, and that could haunt you and limit your job prospects for the rest of your life. Get caught with enough dope on you and that is "intent to distribute"--then they throw you in jail. If a teacher gets caught with pot, that teacher loses her license. If a cop gets caught, he is thrown off the force. I could go on and on ...

To most cannabis smokers that indicates that there are some problems with the laws in this country...there are no valid reasons for it to be illegal. So yeah it sucks that those things can happen if you get caught, but people have to draw the line somewhere because if we just obey every law without question it wont stop at not being allowed to smoke weed. But that's just my personal opinion, I certainly see why those risks make it a potentially dangerous choice.....however that's not the THC or CBD's fault that would be the federal government who does not seem to care that 50% of americans have smoked marijuana or do smoke marijuana....hell some of them probably even smoke marijuana.

I have nothing against people smoking dope: people should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies. I am just letting you know that what appears to you as a simple thing ("everybody does it!") is not simple at all: the US government and local authorities have declared war on dope smokers, and becoming a casualty in that war isn't worth it. It's all fun and games until you get pinched.


What...they've declared war have they?...wow, because its so harmful to society if one smokes a bowl and then listens to music in their own home, or god forbid watches documentaries :roll: Also to some it is worth the risk of becoming a causualty, and if life in this hell-hole we call society was all fun and games people probably would not feel such a need to smoke weed and/or drink.


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12 Apr 2012, 7:21 pm

I've been doing a bunch of research into this recently and there is literally no reason whatsoever why weed should not be legalised.

The reasons it was made illegal in the US in the first place were purely political and largely racist, and the reason it was made illegal in most of the rest of the world was because of Islamic law (I s**t you not).

The herb itself has no long term negative effects. If you smoke loads of it then it can cause reduced sperm count and short term memory but stop smoking it so much and all that goes away.

It has a lot of valid medical uses and for this reason the pharmaceutical companies want to keep it illegal and stop medical marijuana - after all, you can't patent a plant can you? Big Pharma has created pills which use cannaboids to be sold as medicine, but they're nowhere near as effective as the actual plant. So governments claim it has no valid medical use yet medicine is being made from it, eh?

As has been discussed in this thread, autism is just one condition which it can help with.

Additionally, hemp can be used to make loads of stuff, from paper to panels stronger than steel. This was made illegal in the US because of the interests of paper companies who were losing money to it.

Anyone talking about all these so called health risks... I implore you to do your own research instead of listening to the propaganda released by those who have a monetary or political interest for keeping it illegal.

Lets break down the commonly quoted negative effects one by one shall we?

Overdoses - It is literally impossible to OD on weed. It has never ever happened in the history of anything ever. You would need to smoke something like over 1,000 joints in an hour for that to be possible, and if you successfully do that you'll go down in history.

Death rates - Hundreds of thousands die from perfectly legal tobacco every year, tens of thousands die from perfectly legal alcohol every year, and thousands even die from f**king caffeine every year too. No one in history has ever died from pot. Ever.

Schizophrenia - During the past few decades, use of marijuana has exploded. Within that same time period, diagnosis of schizophrenia has remained flat. No increase at all. In fact, it's actually decreased in some cases. And patients with schizophrenia can in fact be helped by medical marijuana where it's available too. Here's a little science behind that claim though: if you are already genetically predisposed to schizophrenia then you're essentially a ticking time bomb, waiting for what's called a "psychological break." This can be caused by any number of things, commonly stress. Now, cannabis can in fact trigger this psychological break in people who are already genetically guaranteed to get it, but it cannot and has not ever caused the condition in someone who was not already genetically predisposed.

Cancer - Marijuana does not cause cancer. Smoking it can increase your chances slightly, because smoking anything is bad for you, but marijuana smoke is still a lot better for you than tobacco smoke. If you vaporise or eat it, marijuana cannot contribute to any form of cancer at all. In fact, it has very well documented cancer killing properties; that is, it can actually kill cancerous cells and help to cure cancer.

Addiction - The herb itself has no addictive properties whatsoever, and because the THC is stored in fat, there's no withdrawal symptoms either. Anyone who claims to know someone who's addicted to marijuana is talking about a psychological addiction... The same thing that anyone can get to porn or eating or watching TV or whatever... Literally anything. Not a valid point against this specific plant.

It's a gateway drug! - You know they're getting desperate when they're reduced to saying "It could make people use different things!" Well this is a BS argument if it's being used to support prohibition. When you walk into a newsagent to buy booze and cigarettes, does the shopkeeper try and sell you crack? No (and if your answer was different, I'd like to know what shop you use :P). This is an issue created by prohibition, because it's leaving the job of selling weed to the black market drug dealers who will also sell the harder stuff, and a few of these people will indeed try to push that on their customers. I should note, however, that only very few people who start doing weed go on to do harder drugs regardless. Most stick to their pot.

But the law says it's bad! - The law also used to say that being gay made you unnatural and owning African slaves was okay. The mere fact that the law says something is bad does not make that thing bad unless it's backed up with actual facts. And hey, I bet most of the music on your iPod is illegal too :wink:

There's loads more claims and even more data to debunk them but I'd do a post bigger than this forum's database if I addressed them all. Point is, marijuana is in fact less harmful than pretty much any legal drug including prescription stuff. There is no scientific or medical reason for it to be illegal whatsoever.

Educate yourself, people!

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13 Apr 2012, 1:32 pm

I first started smoking marijuana just over a year ago. At first as I was unfamiliar with it on a first-hand basis, I told myself I would just smoke a little bit from time to time. Now, I smoke every day and I cannot even begin to tell you how much it has helped me both socially and with my anxiety. Smoking can help calm me when I am upset and can't come down from it and it can help me just have conversations with my boyfriend that normally I am uncomfortable discussing. I am much more relaxed around my boyfriend's friends as well. I used to not talk at all and just observe and now I will put in occasional to moderate input into the conversations. I won't smoke before going to work ever but work remains the biggest stressor in my life so sometimes I wish that I could.



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13 Apr 2012, 1:51 pm

Actually it is possible to 'overdose' on weed, but that usually just involves vomiting or passing out long before you've actually consumed enough for it to be fatal.


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13 Apr 2012, 3:23 pm

It's all a matter of responsibility. I've known people who do nothing but sit around and smoke weed all day. Yet I've known people who drink alcohol daily and run a multi million dollar company. It all comes down to the individual. Both are extreme examples, but weed just like alcohol is something that if beneficiary to a person in moderation, and with responsible use. I smoke pot every once in awhile, but those times seem to be getting rarer because I have less interest in it. To be honest the most it's done for me as of late is make me insanely horny. I've never had a drug give me that sort of reaction. I've done ecstasy which is supposed to make you insanely horny, and I didn't feel one bit horny. I honestly can't stand the type of stoner who lounges in front of the TV all day smoking blunt after blunt, because they give weed smokers a bad name. These unproductive people who often argue for the legalization of marijuana due to their lifestyle just end up hurting the cause.



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13 Apr 2012, 3:47 pm

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Rascal77s wrote:
I believe that much of the anxiety cause by marijuana is due to it being illegal and users being afraid of getting caught.


I would agree with that.


It made me really paranoid. I knew it was the effect of the pot I had smoked, but I couldn't shake the feeliing that EVERYONE was staring at me and knew that I was stoned. Part of that might have been a fear of getting caught, but I've done wrong things before and NEVER felt the eyes of the entire neighborhood upon me. Of course, it might have just been that particular strain, or it might have been spiked with another drug. Who knows where my friend got it.

Quality control is a good argument for legalization.



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13 Apr 2012, 5:03 pm

I love smoking pot. I started reluctantly when I was 21 and gradually became a total pot head, which I still am at 41. I'll take a joint over a drink any day.



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13 Apr 2012, 5:40 pm

NTAndrew wrote:
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I believe that much of the anxiety cause by marijuana is due to it being illegal and users being afraid of getting caught.


I would agree with that.


It made me really paranoid. I knew it was the effect of the pot I had smoked, but I couldn't shake the feeliing that EVERYONE was staring at me and knew that I was stoned. Part of that might have been a fear of getting caught, but I've done wrong things before and NEVER felt the eyes of the entire neighborhood upon me. Of course, it might have just been that particular strain, or it might have been spiked with another drug. Who knows where my friend got it.

Quality control is a good argument for legalization.


Getting other drugs in your drugs for free is really quite rare for obvious reasons.

It's more likely it is the strain. High THC strains are more likely to cause that kind of paranoia effect. Perhaps use a "lighter" strain if you look to try it again, that should give you less of the paranoia and more of a high, but it also gives you less of an experience in your mind in general.



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13 Apr 2012, 6:32 pm

Am I the only one who just doesn't get the point of drugs? Seems like pretty much everyone is just arguing about which drugs are good and which drugs are bad. Alcoholics are like come on, drink up, it will make feel good. Stoners are like, no man don't do alcohol. That's bad for you. Just smoke a little weed. Thats all you need to solve your problems. And the psychiatrists say, no, no, no don't do any of that. Just take your medication. :?

To me, all drugs are pretty much the same. No matter what I take, it just makes me feel like crap. Right now the only thing I take is my antidepressants. And thats only because they are pretty much forced on me. So I usually don't even take the full dosage, to try and minimize the effects.

What every positive effects come from drugs, seems to generally be greatly out weighed by negative side effects. At best it's just a trade off. What ever you take, you are altering your entire mental state. Which seems like a very unnatural way of living, to me. You are not seeing the world as it actually is, when you are taking drugs. As far as I'm concerned most all types of drugs are just a crutch to avoid dealing with life. IMHO.



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13 Apr 2012, 7:02 pm

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What every positive effects come from drugs, seems to generally be greatly out weighed by negative side effects.


Speaking strictly about marijuana, what negative side effects are you referring to? Your antidepressants probably have more negative side effects than weed.



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13 Apr 2012, 7:14 pm

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To me, all drugs are pretty much the same. No matter what I take, it just makes me feel like crap. Right now the only thing I take is my antidepressants. And thats only because they are pretty much forced on me. So I usually don't even take the full dosage, to try and minimize the effects.

What every positive effects come from drugs, seems to generally be greatly out weighed by negative side effects. At best it's just a trade off. What ever you take, you are altering your entire mental state. Which seems like a very unnatural way of living, to me. You are not seeing the world as it actually is, when you are taking drugs. As far as I'm concerned most all types of drugs are just a crutch to avoid dealing with life. IMHO.


All drugs are not the same - even among prescription drugs. But if something made me feel like crap, I wouldn't take it either.

I don't agree when you say that that you don't see the world as it actually is when taking drugs. The world is the world - the difference is your perception of it. A different perception is no less real.



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13 Apr 2012, 7:24 pm

I normally try to stay far away from these threads about cannabis use, as they tend to be two sides unwilling to have an honest discussion, and myself I'm firmly in one camp and just as guilty as the rest :D Doesn't mean the threads shouldn't happen or exist, just my reason for usually not engaging in the discussions.

I did want to add food for thought, as I noticed the posts several above mine that discussed paranoia and strong THC levels.

A lot of current research is pointing to the wonderful effects of CBD in cannabis, not only for other medical applications, but also for balancing out the effects of THC to induce more relaxation, and less tendency for psychotic effects (paranoia included). This will peg me for which side of the discussion I fall on, but myself I regularly strive to find varieties with high CBD levels, as they reduce my agitation, help me relax, and cope after a long day of work and socializing, without leaving me couch locked and unable to function coherently.

Specifically the strain most noted for high CBD levels is Harlequin, with several other lesser known strains boasting moderate CBD levels as well.

CBD and THC are antagonists of one another, and vie for the same receptors in our nervous system as well. And CBD is non psychoactive in and of itself, so illicit drug production over the years has selctively bred out a lot of the higher CBD strains, as well as improved horticulture methods have concentrated on effectively producing high THC varieties, with little to no CBD.

Its not that our pot now is really all that better than what was around in the 1960s, 70s and before, its mainly that the primo sensimilla and its availability have reached out to many more people. Sensimilla for those wondering what it is, is growing seedless female flowers which not only make for a more enjoyable end product, but also increase the Cannibinoid production of the plant, as they are not devoting energy resources to producing seed.

I've rambled on enough, just thought I'd chime in ;)


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13 Apr 2012, 8:53 pm

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Am I the only one who just doesn't get the point of drugs? Seems like pretty much everyone is just arguing about which drugs are good and which drugs are bad. Alcoholics are like come on, drink up, it will make feel good. Stoners are like, no man don't do alcohol. That's bad for you. Just smoke a little weed. Thats all you need to solve your problems. And the psychiatrists say, no, no, no don't do any of that. Just take your medication. :?

Well I say drink up or smoke up if you want, if not well then don't.

To me, all drugs are pretty much the same. No matter what I take, it just makes me feel like crap. Right now the only thing I take is my antidepressants. And thats only because they are pretty much forced on me. So I usually don't even take the full dosage, to try and minimize the effects.

Well to me many of them do feel good or at least have intresting effects that outweigh the negatives in my opinion....I hate SSRi anti-depressants however...those things make me freaking psychotic. If you have the option I recommend you don't take those, how exactly are they forced?

What every positive effects come from drugs, seems to generally be greatly out weighed by negative side effects. At best it's just a trade off. What ever you take, you are altering your entire mental state. Which seems like a very unnatural way of living, to me. You are not seeing the world as it actually is, when you are taking drugs. As far as I'm concerned most all types of drugs are just a crutch to avoid dealing with life. IMHO.


Also that's kind of the point for me, I want to alter my mental state....I have anxiety, depression and PTSD so those things kind of put a damper on my life....I mean it's had to enjoy anything when I'm overcome by depression and anxiety...the cannabis helps decrease that so I can actually enjoy things and function a little better. It helps me deal with life, it doesn't make me avoid dealing with life. But if you feel the negatives outweigh the benefits and don't like how drugs effect you then you certainly aren't required to take them.


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13 Apr 2012, 9:37 pm

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What every positive effects come from drugs, seems to generally be greatly out weighed by negative side effects.


Speaking strictly about marijuana, what negative side effects are you referring to? Your antidepressants probably have more negative side effects than weed.


That may be truth. But I don't need drugs to slow me down. I like to be thinking clearly and naturally. As I said drugs don't do anything (positive) for me. But I guess thats just me. I'm just trying to understand what people see in drugs. It seems to me that most people I know just get messed up with them.