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08 Jun 2013, 1:08 pm

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I agree with sweetleaf that she has a psychiatric condition and that she poses a threat to her other children. At the end of the day she harmed her autistic son - because he was autistic. What people don't seem to mention is that be killing herself she leaves her other 3 children to fend for themselves.

She needs to understand that she cannot murder a child in cold blood (and brutally) and go back to society, others thinking the same thoughts need to know they can't kill their children if they don't feel like looking after them anymore.


What if the other children are grown up? She's a fifty year old woman, so maybe the boy was a late arrival and all the other children are older (I don't know this as I don't know the case, but it's a possibility). Even if they were younger they wouldn't have fended for themselves as they had a father (wife beater that he was).

Does it say anywhere it was in cold blood? Maybe something happened and she snapped.


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08 Jun 2013, 1:52 pm

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She's lost her child. You can't punish her any further. The only reason to lock her up would be if she presented a risk to other children which couldn't be managed any other way..


While that was a sad, difficult life, she does not deserve to go unpunished and the judges remarks show a disgusting indifference to a disabled persons life. Particularly telling wath this remark by the defending lawyer, "She needs to be reintroduced into the community and back into her family, that can't happen over night but can happen in a supervised and controled way. " Any society where this sort of thing is taken seriously, is a society that will also devalue the lives of disabled adults.


If she's not going to jail, the least the court can do is require her to get a hysterectomy. Sure she might not be a risk to other people's children. But what happens if she becomes a mother again and has ANOTHER autistic child? Is it really worth the risk? She's already proven her incapability to handle a special needs child by killing her own. She should not be allowed to murder like that again let alone raise one. There is no excuse on the planet for what she did.


She is a fifty year old woman likely approaching the menopause or have already gone through it!


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08 Jun 2013, 2:14 pm

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Her mental stability is suspect. But letting her go free?


Exactly! There are lots of people who don't go to jail after comitting murder because they are mentally ill. However, I have never heard a case where such a person was "re-introduced into the community" (as the judge put it). In all of the other cases I've heard about, the person was committed to a mental hospital. It's that whole "danger to self and others" thing. She definately fits it.

I wish that poor boy could have been in the care of his father.
Well, the insanity defense itself is pretty rarely successful; I think the figure is something like 1-2% of the times it's tried. And most of the time, it's not for murder; it's more like a bipolar guy streaking during a manic episode and up for indecent exposure.

The situation you're talking about is someone who commits a murder and is declared not guilty by reason of insanity, and it is very rare. (It is a different thing from just having a mental illness; most people with mental illness can tell right from wrong, and those so impaired that they can't tell right from wrong are often not capable of planning or thinking well enough to commit a murder. So people who are so out of it that they can't understand they're killing someone, but still with it enough to coordinate their movements well enough to kill someone, are quite rare.) Usually in this case, the person is institutionalized indefinitely, perhaps even for life. The difference is that they are going to a forensic mental hospital instead of a prison.

In this case... it says a lot that someone can be declared "insane" and not be hospitalized for quite a long time. I doubt it would have happened if the son had not been autistic.


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08 Jun 2013, 2:41 pm

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In this case... it says a lot that someone can be declared "insane" and not be hospitalized for quite a long time. I doubt it would have happened if the son had not been autistic.


In one of these threads I remember looking up and comparing penalties for parents and caregivers who murder abled children and disabled children, and the latter seem to routinely have: Lower bail amounts set, milder sentences, and the media tends to play things out as if parents of disabled children are victims pushed to the brink. They tend to present such people in a sympathetic light. Parents who murder abled children - especially mothers - are presented as unrepentant monsters who deserve to have the full penalty of the law exacted upon them.

What strikes me as odd is that the above pattern is replicated here, and how many people are willing to rationalize such murders rather than face them as what they actually are.



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08 Jun 2013, 2:57 pm

Guys...

This thread was nearly two years old. It's a horrible story, true, but was there need to resurrect the thread and start talking about this again? Is it serving any purpose except to upset people?


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08 Jun 2013, 3:17 pm

How angry I am.Nothing can justify a parent who kills her own child..``no one could point fingers at him``it is so disgusting statement from her.She has no right to decide about another`s life.What she did is a sin in front of God`s eyes.No one has right to take another`s life.If I was on court,I would put her forever in prison.And her husband is a crazy idiot.They are all a bunch of problematic criminals.Poor child.



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08 Jun 2013, 3:21 pm

My verdict is a death sentence.

There can be no valid reason for such behavior. If the child was uncontrollable, it was the mother's fault (upbringing). If there was a abusive father, she should have left him directly.



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08 Jun 2013, 5:02 pm

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Guys...

This thread was nearly two years old. It's a horrible story, true, but was there need to resurrect the thread and start talking about this again? Is it serving any purpose except to upset people?
You have a point. This is a really old topic.


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08 Jun 2013, 6:50 pm

Sethno wrote:
Guys...

This thread was nearly two years old. It's a horrible story, true, but was there need to resurrect the thread and start talking about this again? Is it serving any purpose except to upset people?

The answer to that would have to be yes; it does serve a purpose which is to discuss the issues around the event and other events like it. This is just one killing in a long line that have happened in the past, continue to happen now, and unfortunately will probably happen again in the future.



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08 Jun 2013, 7:05 pm

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In this case... it says a lot that someone can be declared "insane" and not be hospitalized for quite a long time. I doubt it would have happened if the son had not been autistic.


In one of these threads I remember looking up and comparing penalties for parents and caregivers who murder abled children and disabled children, and the latter seem to routinely have: Lower bail amounts set, milder sentences, and the media tends to play things out as if parents of disabled children are victims pushed to the brink. They tend to present such people in a sympathetic light. Parents who murder abled children - especially mothers - are presented as unrepentant monsters who deserve to have the full penalty of the law exacted upon them.

What strikes me as odd is that the above pattern is replicated here, and how many people are willing to rationalize such murders rather than face them as what they actually are.

I think there's two things at play here, the first is seeing a disabled person as having less worth than an able bodied person, therefore the thinking would go that the crime of murder upon them would not carry the weight that it would if committed upon a not-disabled person. This doesn't happen just with disabled people, think of the sentences given for killing prostitutes and criminals, they often seem to be lower.
The second thing is the stress and mental state of a person committing a crime is a mitigating factor in sentencing. This applies across law in general so there is nothing unique about that, and something that is widely accepted.

I tend to think its more of the latter as to why the sentences are lower for killing a disabled child.



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08 Jun 2013, 7:10 pm

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My verdict is a death sentence.

There can be no valid reason for such behavior. If the child was uncontrollable, it was the mother's fault (upbringing). If there was a abusive father, she should have left him directly.


Since when were children blank slates?


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08 Jun 2013, 7:57 pm

nostromo wrote:
Sethno wrote:
Guys...

This thread was nearly two years old. It's a horrible story, true, but was there need to resurrect the thread and start talking about this again? Is it serving any purpose except to upset people?

The answer to that would have to be yes; it does serve a purpose which is to discuss the issues around the event and other events like it...



Then why wasn't it being discussed FOR NEARLY TWO YEARS?

Again, its only upsetting people. How did the person who resurrected it even find it? WHY, fot that matter? They'd have had to go back thru TWO YEARS worth of old threads.

I mean, really?


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08 Jun 2013, 9:59 pm

Who is upset?



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09 Jun 2013, 4:56 am

rdos wrote:
My verdict is a death sentence.

There can be no valid reason for such behavior. If the child was uncontrollable, it was the mother's fault (upbringing). If there was a abusive father, she should have left him directly.


I had great respect for you because of your neanderthal theory work but this has made me lose it totally.

Children can be totally uncontrollable despite the very best parenting. And obviously an autistic child is more prone to that. It isn't even about him being uncontrollable anyway, I just don't like your reactionary and incorrect views.

If you don't understand how abusive husband's/fathers work on a person's psychology, visit the Haven and I believe there is a thread about survivors of abuse.


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09 Jun 2013, 5:00 am

Who_Am_I wrote:
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My verdict is a death sentence.

There can be no valid reason for such behavior. If the child was uncontrollable, it was the mother's fault (upbringing). If there was a abusive father, she should have left him directly.


Since when were children blank slates?


That's the whole point. The child was not a blank slate, and his problems was not inherited, but acquired. Since it is the parents job to make sure children are not subjected to a bad environment that ultimately leads to death, it is the responsibility of the mother, and therefore this cannot be used as an excuse. I'd accept it if the child was raised somewhere else, but this was not the case, so she is responsible. Therefore, it is murder.



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09 Jun 2013, 6:47 am

rdos wrote:
My verdict is a death sentence.

There can be no valid reason for such behavior. If the child was uncontrollable, it was the mother's fault (upbringing). If there was a abusive father, she should have left him directly.


You really should go back to the stone age where this kind of idea belongs.