Do female aspies have an easier life in society?

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05 Feb 2019, 11:00 am

In a general answer? NO

Though it is easier for a majority of girls with ASD when young because we are not expected to be agile and earlier talking often smooths us past being pinpointed. Females can slip thru the cracks much faster.

Odd behaviors in a girl really count against you.
Many aspie traits are DANGEROUS when we reach an age of sexual maturity. I bet stats would put a big "V" for victim target on our foreheads for at least 80% of us.

Like avoiding predatory partners isn't hard enough for people how to have a regular understanding of social norms!
If we are even a little aware enough to attempt social "mainstreaming", we will have low self-esteem. Likely to have a much much smaller circle of true friends than the average girl.

And expectations are doubled! Already modern females are expected to bring home the bacon, fry it in the pan, yet take of the man.
Add some kids!

Though all is equal in custody court as far as "rights" to children, it is not equal during the timeline of most marriages. We (the fem gen) are still expected to be the primary caregivers and give up all sense of self. top take the "hit " for the "hometeam".

That is fine for me who had children as one of my "special interests". I was able to navigate. My children are well adjusted, and like me for myself as well as for my care of them.
But what about the majority of ASD moms?
Dads can get away with having less connection, standoffishness, touch issues.. crap most any issue but pedophilia or outright beating is handwaved. Moms... EVERYTHING is under the microscope. What is ignored in a father will get an instant "bad mother" label!
All is good with family support. Hostile in-laws? Life is hell. And pressured stress is likely to make a person with lower function/flexibilty make a truly harmful mistake. certainly, lead to a divorce unless the spouse is top-shelf material.


My view is that it is ultimately harder for women. Because the number of expectations is even greater in many more aspects (appearance/behavior/demeanor/abilities), the stress is there whether or not she reacts visibly to it


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05 Feb 2019, 5:06 pm

SweetOnSylvia wrote:
I just have trouble understanding sarcasm and idioms.

I thought so. You need to talk a lot to friends who are NTs once it comes to language to learn to hear this.

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...yet, it is spoken as if it were actual...

Not really. There is a difference in intonation. Simple sample: "That's great!"
It may express joy, ironie or sarcasm, not only depending on the context but also in the way it is spoken.
With honest joy in it it expresses joy. If joking with it it's ironic. With a sound of being dishonest or being disappointed it's sarcastic. For getting it always right you need to hear the differences and to get the nonverbal emotions in language. :|

SweetOnSylvia wrote:
quite an extreme wrote:
How about this Silvia? :)

Also, it is Sylvia-- I love Sylvia Plath...

Sorry, my mistake. :oops:


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07 Feb 2019, 9:32 pm

I, for sure, definitely DON'T have it easier than male autistics.

Being female simply means you have different issues than males. But they're not any less severe.


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07 Feb 2019, 9:35 pm

NOPENOPENOPENOPE
Some girls can fake better, but underneath its still super duper hard.
Ive never been able to "fake" really well but I do try during professinal situations.



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08 Feb 2019, 1:19 pm

quite an extreme wrote:
I thought so. You need to talk a lot to friends who are NTs once it comes to language to learn to hear this.

Not really. There is a difference in intonation. Simple sample: "That's great!"
It may express joy, ironie or sarcasm, not only depending on the context but also in the way it is spoken.
With honest joy in it it expresses joy. If joking with it it's ironic. With a sound of being dishonest or being disappointed it's sarcastic. For getting it always right you need to hear the differences and to get the nonverbal emotions in language. :|


My boyfriend, who is super ADHD, is actually incredibly sarcastic and I have gotten better with sarcasm since I started dating him; however, he did think it was really funny when I would believe everything that he would say and when he would come up with more elaborate sarcastic lies, like changing his age to thirty five, I would become incredibly confused and I would begin panicking, feeling like everything that I had previously believed was unstable.

Often, when people are sarcastic, or at least when my boyfriend is sarcastic, they do have a happy sounding voice. My sister would often use sarcasm with me, but her sarcasm would be really mean and I think it is funny when people describe sarcastic people as "cut throat" as the word means "to tear flesh", which is actually incredibly accurate. I love to see how language leaves its trace...

I recently had an issue in my Advanced Fiction class during a workshop when I was trying to explain how the actual dialogue in another student's short story did not represent the dialogue tag, which said something along the lines of: Mr. Pierce always had a way of speaking to make you feel that all work was a privilege and that anyone should be eternally grateful for having been bestowed work by him... Yet, the dialogue had not said this at all... And the teacher was confused with my upset, but then another student explained to me that it was sarcasm... I felt embarrassed at first, but then another student, who I believe is autistic, in the class started going on and on about how he could not understand how it took the character twenty four minutes to get from his house to Farm Road Route, as the character, being in a commuter story, instrumented time stamps, and the student was frustrated that he could not picture the map of this world. I felt that we were kindred spirits.

Also, I want to thank you for your advice on how I can better understand nonverbal social behavior. Thank you, Quite an Extreme!


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10 Feb 2019, 9:10 am

I'm still fairly curious of these females autistics that have it so easy



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10 Feb 2019, 10:07 am

To answer the original question from 7 years ago: It depends on how good looking they are when they reach puberty/early adulthood.



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10 Feb 2019, 10:27 am

Yes, for women beauty makes a big difference. For guys, it is having useful skills in the workplace. An engineering degree makes it a lot easier in society for guys. Or being gifted in "fixing stuff." Making stuff counts too!



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10 Feb 2019, 3:32 pm

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I'm not sure. I think female Aspies have it harder, because (not sure if this is true in female Aspies or not) females have more of a social trait in them, even I do, but I can't use it to my advantage as easily, even though I want to, because of my social anxieties holding me back. Holidays, parties, weddings, and other social events fill me with excitement, but at the same time I clam up, and it then makes me feel like I'm alienating myself and making myself ''my own worst enemy''. It seems to me that when I read posts here about doom and gloom, more often than not it's females who write them. Not saying it's everybody, but a lot of posts like that are wrote by females. I'm one of them. I think females here are more able to realise what we're missing and can feel more left out and bothered by it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it just seems that way.

Also, people expect more out of women. We're ''supposed to'' style our hair, wear make-up, wear stylish clothes, keep up with trends in fashion, carry handbags over our shoulder, like clothes shopping, pluck our eyebrows, shave our legs, give off feminine body language, etc. And if we don't do at least one of these things, other women can criticise, call you ''weird'' or ''a woman who doesn't bother to make an effort with herself'' and you even get mistaken for a lesbian if you're not careful. Unless you're confident and not sensitive to this, it's mighty hard to go through life with other people putting you down just because of a few ''typical'' female things you don't do. Not saying all women do every single one of these things, but most women do at least one of these things.

Men don't seem to get ridiculed as much as women do. Where I come from, there seems to be double standards for men and women. Men can act drunk in the day and nobody takes any notice, but if a women does it, they get ridiculed. And when I was 15 I was obsessed with pubs and I kept saying to my mum, ''when I'm 18 I want to go in a pub and sit and buy myself some drinks'', and she was like, ''you can't just go in there and sit on your own - people will take the piss'', and I said, ''but I've seen men sitting in pubs on their own and nobody takes the piss out of them'', and my mum said, ''well, men seem to do it, but you would look funny.''
And it's not only that - there's lots of other things aswell. Like if a man gets told off by someone in authority, nobody really thinks anything, but if a woman gets told off by someone in authority, people tend to stare at the woman for ages and comment.

It's as though women have to be perfect all the time.

Women aren't the only gender that had dealt with tough expectations in society.



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10 Feb 2019, 3:38 pm

Phonic wrote:
Females have a little more expected of them socialising-wise, but I'd rather be a female aspie then a male one since I think females arn't expected to become independent as quickly. In a word I think their is less expected in the "important areas" for women - job, housing, dating.


Yeah, after all men and women think differently.
I believe it is some cognitive bias.



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10 Feb 2019, 3:40 pm

It depends how you look at it.

Whether or not it is harder to be a female Aspie, I have no idea. I am a male Aspie.

It is without doubt that more female Aspies get partners and children.

Thus from one perspective it is easier being female; i.e. from the perspective that the point of life is to reproduce and carry on one's lineage; from that point of view female Aspies are more successful than male Aspies.

I don't know what it's like to bleed once a month or however often a period happens. So would I want to be female? I don't know, maybe not. I certainly think though that being an Aspie male is more often than not accompanied by social ostracism.



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10 Feb 2019, 3:56 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
NO SEXISM PLEASE. if you would like to keep this thread unlocked, please do not engage in generalisations about men or women. it is possible to have this conversation without breaking the rules, and you are expected to do so. an individual has been privately warned also.

thank you.


So, can we still discuss general rules of trends or can we not? Because generalities are just that, general rules that doesn't mean there are never certain cases that dispute the general average rule.



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10 Feb 2019, 4:13 pm

Hollywood_Guy wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
NO SEXISM PLEASE. if you would like to keep this thread unlocked, please do not engage in generalisations about men or women. it is possible to have this conversation without breaking the rules, and you are expected to do so. an individual has been privately warned also.

thank you.


So, can we still discuss general rules of trends or can we not? Because generalities are just that, general rules that doesn't mean there are never certain cases that dispute the general average rule.


Look at the dates those comments were posted. I don't think that person is a commenter here anymore, doesn't look like they've been here for years--so you probably shouldn't expect an answer.



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10 Feb 2019, 5:00 pm

karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
Hollywood_Guy wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
NO SEXISM PLEASE. if you would like to keep this thread unlocked, please do not engage in generalisations about men or women. it is possible to have this conversation without breaking the rules, and you are expected to do so. an individual has been privately warned also.

thank you.


So, can we still discuss general rules of trends or can we not? Because generalities are just that, general rules that doesn't mean there are never certain cases that dispute the general average rule.


Look at the dates those comments were posted. I don't think that person is a commenter here anymore, doesn't look like they've been here for years--so you probably shouldn't expect an answer.

I've been corrected then.