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FalsettoTesla
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07 Jun 2012, 10:01 pm

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You find alternative methods of communication if the normal ones are too difficult. My partner and I communicate a lot through E-mail, enough though we live together and see each other often, because it takes the social pressures off for me.

Alternative communication is still communication.


The Text Message has been a godsend! :D


Definitely! I would not have a mobile phone if all it did was calls. *Shudder*. Telecommunication is horrifying.



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07 Jun 2012, 10:01 pm

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I have been working in my latest job since January. Yes I have suffered unemployment and I have never kept a job for long. I am hard working and friendly, yet I have even been sacked from one of my jobs because of "the wrong attitude" I have been taken advantage of, bullied and missunderstood. This time round, I had the help of Remploy (job agency in the UK that helps with special needs to get work) and now I work for the NHS doing quite a mentally demanding job. It is the first job I disclosed I had Aspergers. It is also the first job that people have supported me in and I am doing well at. This job I should keep for a very long time. It is possible to be successful with the right support x

There is an agency here in New Jersey just like that but I am on SSI and I am not sure how much we are allowed to work before they cut us off. Its so much different in the US! Also, I cannot be around alot of people like pumping gas or on a register because its to much interaction for me. I had a job but quit 3 weeks in because of this. I hope it works out for you.

They give us $700 a month in New Jersey for SSI. And NJ is really expensive. You need atleast $800 a month for rent just for a one bedroom and that's if your lucky enough to find one at that price! Average is around $1000 a month. A little extra money would be awesome!
Where did they place you?



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07 Jun 2012, 10:06 pm

I really do not know why people cannot see the valid point I am making. <scratches head>
if you can make friends and have a GF/BF then I don't see how you have a communication issue. I take back the work thing I guess. I had a job a few years ago but quit after 3 weeks because it was too overwhelming. Way to much interaction!

I just can't see it. Maybe if someone sees something I do not please explain.



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07 Jun 2012, 10:07 pm

It's not just about communication issue.

Communication is not the only thing that comes with autism.



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07 Jun 2012, 10:08 pm

we all have different degress of all the syptoms of aspergers but some stand out more and some less - my worst is communication - if I need an interpretor to be able to talk with a selesman - I am a total screwup there and failure - but in the area of focus on special intesest I am an over ochiever - I play games in my head to be able to talk to my family to be able to sound have way normal but I have major problems with many other things to - if you read my list you would see I exsist in any NT state of mind - but we all live in a common aspie type world



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07 Jun 2012, 10:08 pm

I think it's because it seemed that you were equating autism/asperger's to a communication issue, which are two unequal things.



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07 Jun 2012, 10:10 pm

I meant I do not exsist in any NT state of mind



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07 Jun 2012, 10:16 pm

I went through my life not knowing about aspergers. I worked and studied and had relationships...and it was very difficult to maintain the relationships and perform well at work and I believed I was just subnormal. Perhaps it was a good thing that I didn't know about aspergers, because I went through all the trials of life, did my absolute best, and found life to be a freakin nightmare sometimes. If I had of known why my ability to perform life tasks that had any socially related aspects involved was so limited, I may have simply given up on the basis that I wasn't capable...sat at home on disability...gotten fat and spotty while wasting away my life watching television or playing some crappy game on the internet...no skills...no experience...no life connections...all alone...and fitting your image of somebody with AS...

It is still debatable as to whether AS simply sits on the autistic spectrum, or whether the observable expressions of the disorder are similar enough to HFA that they are associated. Whatever the case may be, like any disorder, the severity of affliction can be observed in a range...why so much angst against those that had the ability and the drive to get further in life than yourself?


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07 Jun 2012, 10:19 pm

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I think it's because it seemed that you were equating autism/asperger's to a communication issue, which are two unequal things.
no they are one in the same! Having any form of ASD means having a communication issue. Weather it be severe or mild, a communication issue is still prespresent! I give up man. I'm tired of beating a dead horse!



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07 Jun 2012, 10:22 pm

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Maybe the point I am making is not clear enough because everyone seems to be confused by it. So again, how do you have a communication retardation if you have friends, have a job, have a significant other? In order to obtain all or one of those things, you must have the communication skills to gain one or more of them. Am I wrong?

So then, where does the communication issue reside?


That possible, man. I hope you are really asking for information, and not just being sarcastic. Here's how I see it:

1) Friends. I have... 2. Very few friends, that I've known for over 20 years. I can't really make new friends, nor do I care to try... My friends know this and when we meet, they don't invite anyone else. So, there...

2) Job. I have one. I have a miserable time, however. I don't socialize with my coworkers, somedays I feel like shooting myself instead of facing people... but I manage. I could be better off if I didn't have problems socializing.

3) significant other: she is incredibly understanding of my failings and give me a lot of space.

They are all possible, just not easy.

EDIT: btw, you boxed for FIVE years. This takes a lot of social interaction, physical contact... does that mean you don't have Asperger's? Not necessarily. But I bet it wasn't as easy for you as it is for most people.



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07 Jun 2012, 10:25 pm

amboxer21 wrote:
Senath wrote:
I think it's because it seemed that you were equating autism/asperger's to a communication issue, which are two unequal things.
no they are one in the same! Having any form of ASD means having a communication issue. Weather it be severe or mild, a communication issue is still prespresent! I give up man. I'm tired of beating a dead horse!


Maybe you can't get your message across because you have a communication issue?

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07 Jun 2012, 10:26 pm

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What you are not taking into account is that communication issues do not equate to a lack of relationships. Some of the "normal" people are drawn to the child-like awkwardness that can accompany social disorders; some are drawn to the intelligence that Aspies appear to (and often do) have; sometimes, people connect on an emotional level, regardless of the Aspie's ability to make eye contact and such. We (referring both to autistics and all of humanity) all have minds full of knowledge and hearts full of feeling--this feeling and knowledge may differ widely in terms of both substance and expression, but they exist, and, for this, even an incredibly socially awkward person can make genuine. We are humans, despite how our brains are wired, and humans crave, and often make, connections--if not always on a conscious level, then at least on a subconscious, survivalistic level.

To all of you who have yet to find someone to make a genuine connection with; I earnestly hope that you find the companion that you seek. The nice "NTs"--if such a thing really exist [though that's another soapbox, I suppose]--do exist, I assure you, and, if all else fails, there is someone else out there who is just as socially awkward as you are that can emphasize and perhaps even connect with you. :)



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07 Jun 2012, 10:27 pm

Guybrush_Threepwood wrote:
Perhaps it was a good thing that I didn't know about aspergers, because I went through all the trials of life, did my absolute best, and found life to be a freakin nightmare sometimes. If I had of known why my ability to perform life tasks that had any socially related aspects involved was so limited, I may have simply given up on the basis that I wasn't capable...sat at home on disability...gotten fat and spotty while wasting away my life watching television or playing some crappy game on the internet...no skills...no experience...no life connections...all alone...and fitting your image of somebody with AS...


Hmm... that is a good way to look at it. Thanks, I can see my situation in a little different light now. I have a tendency to see the negative in everything and miss out on the positives, and lately it seems I've been giving up really easily on life, but I know I can work through it because I've done it before. I just have to use my coping skills to the fullest, and keep constant diligence so I don't get overwhelmed!



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07 Jun 2012, 10:28 pm

--Diagnosed by a psychiatrist.

There are people who doubt I really have it, but I do, and I've done enough paying for it in my life too.



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07 Jun 2012, 10:30 pm

amboxer21 wrote:
I really do not know why people cannot see the valid point I am making. <scratches head>
if you can make friends and have a GF/BF then I don't see how you have a communication issue. I take back the work thing I guess. I had a job a few years ago but quit after 3 weeks because it was too overwhelming. Way to much interaction!

I just can't see it. Maybe if someone sees something I do not please explain.


It's simple. The girlfriend/boyfriend/etc cares enough to help work around the communication problems, and to continue the relationship in spite of the problems. It is sometimes necessarily to get quite creative, but we keep trying. My current husband is willing to do whatever I need to for any needed dialogue, but after almost 14 years together, we've pretty much worked things out.

The relationship is in spite of communication problems.



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07 Jun 2012, 10:49 pm

Senath wrote:
FalsettoTesla wrote:
You find alternative methods of communication if the normal ones are too difficult. My partner and I communicate a lot through E-mail, enough though we live together and see each other often, because it takes the social pressures off for me.

Alternative communication is still communication.


The Text Message has been a godsend! :D



^ YES! ^

I can convey me thoughts much easier through texts, IM and email compared to verbal communication. That's not to say I can't TALK to people, I can talk about most everyday things. But when it comes to very emotional, personal and serious subjects, I find it VERY hard to talk to other people about it.
Mostly because communicating by text gives me more time to formulate a response, and there's much less anxiety because I'm not face to face with the other person.



I didn't really know what AS was before someone suggested I may have it. That suspicion was confirmed by someone else who knows me very well. Both of these people have professional backgrounds in ASD. After reading about AS until 3 AM every day for nearly a week and realizing that a lot of the symptoms fit me, I started to agree that I probably have it.

Now after 4 months of reading about it, I'm quite sure I have it. But I'm still going insane because I haven't had a chance to get professionally assessed yet. I NEED a "definitive" answer.
I believe I have AS because the symptoms fit me so well. If a doctor suggests another Dx that fits me better, so be it. I just want to figure out why I am the way I am.


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