Are you self-supporting, on disability, or what?

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Are you self-supporting, receiving disability, supported by family, or what?
I support myself 100% by working 34%  34%  [ 60 ]
I'm on disability (for example, SSI or SSDI in the USA) 24%  24%  [ 42 ]
I'm supported by family (parents, spouse, other) 27%  27%  [ 48 ]
Other (please specify) 16%  16%  [ 28 ]
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11 Jul 2012, 12:44 am

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I work and support myself (and my cats). This isn't meant to come off as being offensive, but I felt that I don't need disability; that money should go to those who really need it. With so many dipping into the pot who aren't even disabled (or severely disabled for that matter(those who cannot work at all; having a "bum leg" doesn't count)). This economy is definitely a problem for those with disabilities as well, so I am of the frame of mind that this poll can come off as inappropriate to some. It was tough landing the position I got, but certain skills helped in the end.


Oh, it's so refreshing to read that someone has found a way to support themselves (and their cats).

Kudos to you, CyborgUprising.



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11 Jul 2012, 12:52 am

I'm supported financially *i hope i spelled that right* by the goverment since they tested me and the results were that i won't be able to work, not just because of my mental state but also because of my physical issues, and the fact that i cannot tolerate being touched or touching others, which makes it quite impossible to work in most situations, and my current therapist and the mental health care institute that i'm being transfered to and my cesar therapist and my mom support me, and i get support from my friends even those far away :o And i have tried to work several times, i even got permission to try it, but it never worked out, i've also gone to 5 schools so far and one bakery school, but due to the combination of all my issues right now, nothing worked out, but i would love to work for a nature related organisation one day or as a translator or specialize in history and i study at home and i do a lot of things even though i can't support myself financially, sorry for the long winded explanation :) I hope that with enough help i'll be able to have atleast some kind of small job one day, even if its just for being social in person :o



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11 Jul 2012, 1:47 am

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Failure IS not even trying.

Well I disagree considering I have failed at many things I have tried very hard to succeed at....unfortunately trying does not always=success no matter how much one might want it to.


Have not tried to work? How many jobs within your grasp have you applied to, and how many have you worked?
Like I said elsewhere, find a clinic near you, get income-based treatment, then seek jobs. If that means meds, fine. What you're doing now isn't working, either, so why not try getting help so you can do something with your life?

I don't know the exact number of jobs I have applied for in my life.....and I have had 3 jobs. And I already am going to go to a bloody clinic to try and get my psychological issues adressed. Don't know if that will make me able to work, as I said the main issue would be freaking out on the job and working too slow working too slow they would have to deal with and freaking out.......well there are drugs that can help that. Also no kidding what I am doing right now isn't working I just feel trapped and like everything is mudane so I am considering all the options of what to do about that.


People work so they're not starving and homeless.

No kidding, why do you think its so frustrating that for one no one will hire me.......and that my mental issues interfere with my ability to function in the work place and in general.

Like I've said, there are still jobs out there that you could do. Find a good match for you.
If you freak out on people, do something that's quiet and doesn't involve customer interaction. Clean houses, stock shelves in the backroom, etc. You're listing a million reasons why you CAN'T work, but not seeing what jobs you could actually do and move on with your life.


Well with all due respect you are no expert on my life......so you cannot say whether or not there are jobs out there I could do that would be a good match. Maybe there are maybe there aren't, and even if there are there is no guarantee of being hired.

And job or not I have not choice but to more or less move on with my life...whether I end up homeless or whatever life doesn't just stop and I'd still have to continue on with it unless I decide its not worth it and end it.


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11 Jul 2012, 3:01 am

(adhd / asp) I have had over 100 jobs some paid some voluntary.. they always end one way or another.. At the moment I am receiving "Unemployment Benefit" while I search for full time work.. again.



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11 Jul 2012, 3:27 am

<--- Between jobs at the moment. Will probably go back to toiling in a month or two when this extended vacation is over.



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11 Jul 2012, 4:42 am

ooo wrote:
Like I've said, there are still jobs out there that you could do. Find a good match for you.
If you freak out on people, do something that's quiet and doesn't involve customer interaction. Clean houses, stock shelves in the backroom, etc. You're listing a million reasons why you CAN'T work, but not seeing what jobs you could actually do and move on with your life.


There is very little that involves customer interaction. I was once told I could work - by people who know nothing about my disabilities. They based on the fact that someone with one of the diagnoses has, works. He doesn't have most of the normal symptoms many people have.



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11 Jul 2012, 7:46 am

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ooo wrote:
Like I've said, there are still jobs out there that you could do. Find a good match for you.
If you freak out on people, do something that's quiet and doesn't involve customer interaction. Clean houses, stock shelves in the backroom, etc. You're listing a million reasons why you CAN'T work, but not seeing what jobs you could actually do and move on with your life.


There is very little that involves customer interaction. I was once told I could work - by people who know nothing about my disabilities. They based on the fact that someone with one of the diagnoses has, works. He doesn't have most of the normal symptoms many people have.

Let's get one thing clear; the world is not a Horatio Alger novel. It is far more complicated. In this economy, it is hard enough for NT's to find work, let alone anyone with "eccentricities". Is there work to be had if you fall on the spectrum? Of course. This is no guarantee. But please, I know that perhaps you are trying to be encouraging in your own way, but be real; people fall through the cracks. The world is not a 19th century juvenile novel where, through hard work and dedication, one will always succeed. There are other forces at work as well as a fair degree of "luck".

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11 Jul 2012, 7:51 am

I said other because I'm on Youth Allowance, get financial aid from my university and work casually in a supermarket while studying full time (currently the minimum 3 subjects a semester, jumping up to 4 this coming semester).
Retail is becoming rather exhausting so I'm looking for other jobs, preferably at uni, another uni in the nearby CBD or something non-customer service based in the city. I just can't wait until I can start postgrad study and spend most of my time doing research. Also once I start postgrad I can get research allowances/scholarships and I can also get paid to tutor and demonstrate.
This is not to say I'm managing everything perfectly. At the moment I'm finding cleaning my room to be a struggle (not enough storage areas and I can't figure out which ones to get). My studies aren't going to well either, due to procrastination, problems with executive function and adapting to a share house situation.
I also now have to be stricter with my money because I got a massive phone bill last month for overusing the internet component and I have to pay back a loan I took out to cover it, as well as the loan I took out for my rental bond. At the same time, income limits are going up for Youth Allowance so my job will expect me to be able to work more hours (which I will to pay off my debt) and I have to balance that with studies.
That all being said, I am on the high functioning end of the scale with a previous depression being my only other condition so I hold myself to similar standards as NTs. I fully understand if people on lower functioning areas of the spectrum and/or with other conditions need to be on disability payments for at least part of their working career. Besides, if you can't work you can always contribute to society in another way, such as volunteering and joining community groups.



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11 Jul 2012, 8:19 am

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if you can't work you can always contribute to society in another way, such as volunteering and joining community groups.

I'd go one further and say that you're more likely to contribute something useful on a voluntary basis than you are in a paid job. I can think of a lot of paid jobs that probably do society more harm than good. Telemarketers get paid. I would never have said this when I was younger, but I think having a degree of duty and social responsibility in one's life is a more fulfilling existence than complete hedonistic freedom, even if that freedom is sustainable, as it might be on benefits or in retirement. Though I'll have to wait till I've retired to really know how I take to hedonistic freedom, having experienced little of it so far in my life.



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11 Jul 2012, 10:47 am

I couldn't really put myself in any of the categories, so I voted "other".

My wife and I are successfully self-employed as avocado ranch owners, and also are landlords. It's a true team effort. She is a financial wizard, and I am a good planner and problem solver. I'm not good at finances, and she does better with me doing some planning and doing most of the technical work, which I'm best at. She could run the whole thing without me, but would need to hire out a lot of the things I do, and this would kill the profit margin. I could do the finances for awhile, but I don't have that special talent for seeing a money crunch ahead, and being able to avert it like she can.

Long story short, as a couple, we're independent financially, but alone, I'd either have to go get a regular job, or be poor.

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11 Jul 2012, 11:30 am

I chose Other and here is my specify: I work full-time and live with my spouse who also works full-time. We don't make a lot, we're both line cooks, but we do alright and go out a couple of times a week or so.

I have long battled with myself over applying for disability since there are periods that I can and want to work which are longer and more frequent than the times I can't and/or don't want to work.

I only say don't want to work because that is when there is so much stress either at the current job or my life that my sensory issues are completely unmanageable and I'm bothered by everything. Thought this was manic depression or something for a while because of the pattern; every mood change was related to stress level though, more stress = more irritable and hyper, less stress = lethargy nearing depression. Odd. Anywho.

I wonder how others made the decision to apply and also how they stayed on disability after being approved. (In the U.S.)



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11 Jul 2012, 11:57 am

lostgirl1986 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
ooo wrote:
Self-supportive.

Sometimes you've gotta suck it up, find a job you can do/tolerate, and deal with it... "miserable" or not. Actually, working can make you feel productive and take your mind off of worse mental quams. Better yet, having a plant/pet/kid to take care of gives you an excuse to get out of bed. Assuming you don't want a plant/pet/kid, a job and volunteer role gives you a reason.

Chin up. You'll find a way to support yourself again, be productive, and enjoy life.


You do realize employers can fire employees who can't keep up or don't fit what the company wants in an employee, or they can choose not to even hire you. One can be as willing as they want to work but someone also has to be willing to hire them or let them keep working.........unless of course they can create their own job because they are that creative, but of course not everyone is capable of starting their own business.

I wouldn't mind working.......but who is going to hire someone who might cause problems for the business if they freak out and damage people or objects. Sure I could always not mention it, but then if I get put in a situation that sets me off there would be no covering it up and then I would feel like an ass for allowing that to happen by lying about my mental state.

I imagine your comment is more for the OP, but that is just my perspective on that particular topic. If one has supported themself before it is likely they can again.......the trouble is when you never really have been in a totally self sufficient position.


I've moved out on my own before, worked and supported myself in a different province. I know I can do it, the problem is work itself. I tried it. I can't work long enough without my anxiety taking over and having a nervous breakdown. The last time I quit a job in Calgary I didn't phone anyone for days and my parents were trying to get a hold of me so they eventually called the police. The police came and tried to get me to go to the hospital because they thought I was suicidal. In my life time I've worked at 4 "real" jobs and most of the time I quit out of anxiety and frustration. I've never gotten fired but I've gotten talked about and given evil looks for being slow at certain jobs. I also got used a lot to do the things that nobody else wanted to do because I was so quiet and they used me as a door mat. The shortest job I had lasted one shift, the longest job I had (and the most enjoyable) lasted for 9 months. Also, I always seem to be intimidated by all of my bosses no matter how nice they are.


The bolded part is true for me too. I've never been truly self-sufficient even though I've managed to stay off of all benefits my entire life. (I'm 35 now). Every year I try to work, yes, TRY, and I manage, for a few months, maybe up to a year, then.....

1. People think I'm weird and stop being nice about it because I'm no longer "new".
2. Even though I'm good at the job there are nuances and changes to it that I will never keep up with at the pace with which my co-workers do.
3. I'm the very last to know any gossip so by the time I know what's up, it's way too late and I make a big fool of myself if I do try to get into the loop.
4. The manager(s) get tired of my back talk because I NEED to know WHY I'm doing something or I shutdown.
5. No amount of prescription or nonprescription medication has every affected me well enough for long enough to work with my sensory issues always a problem.
6. No amount of family support, my parents money, or society's guilt-trips will ever permanently get me to stay employed the rest of my life because of a lot of issues.
7. At some point in every job I feel too much of everyone's dislike for me and my C-PTSD flares up and I get suicidal ideations, depression, anxiety to the point of throwing up if I don't have a med. I can't even make myself go in.


Right now as I mentioned in another post, I'm working full-time. I'm trying, and I'll be damned, but I keep TRYING, over and over again, even with the above at every job I've ever had (more than 50).

Does this make me strong? No, I constantly question whether it's just my pride keeping me off of full benefits. I have paid into SSI and SSDI enough to qualify on that alone, but who knows, I don't want to "give up" but can't get past that rigid thinking, disability isn't "giving up". So it's my pride then. :roll:

This is what it comes down to, though, doesn't it? Pride? and it's opposite, humility.



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11 Jul 2012, 1:18 pm

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CyborgUprising wrote:
Interesting how you like to call me a liar ("This story is bunk"). He had those things, but cannot ever pay the bills. He also steals money from his relatives to support his spending habit. Saying I'm a liar and that I listen to the propaganda on the radio (I don't even listen to the radio or watch television) is not only insulting, it is a lie as well. I personally know this individual, since he lives in the same neighborhood I live in, so please refrain from jumping to conclusions. Like I said at the beginning of this comment, he had jet skis, etc. but would always not make payments. His income consists of disability and stolen money from those around him. I also neglected to mention the fact that he does deal some drugs on the side, but primarily he lives off the first two means.


There are days where I should not be on the internet, and yesterday was one of those days. So, if I said anything that was out of line then I apologize.

However, I said the story is a lie, not that you are a liar. Maybe that guy uses "I'm on disability" as his cover line for the fact that he makes most or 100% of his income from selling drugs.

What I'm saying is that the story itself conflicts with reality. That guy, the way you told the story, can't be on SSDI or SSI. He would've been cut off by SSA. SSA taps your bank accounts and sees all your transactions.


And, Tuttle is correct about owning one house and one vehicle and the rest.


Apology accepted. A bit of an update: He actually just got turned in by an angry neighbor regarding the whole deal (a friend called and told me about it). All I could say was "why did it take this long?



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11 Jul 2012, 2:39 pm

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Apology accepted. A bit of an update: He actually just got turned in by an angry neighbor regarding the whole deal (a friend called and told me about it). All I could say was "why did it take this long?


Well, that was glib, and didn't address anything I said. I'll remember not to waste any good will on you in the future.

Remember, if nothing changes with that guy or his story the more logical conclusion is not "SSA doesn't care about cheaters," but rather "that guy was never on disability in the first place."



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11 Jul 2012, 4:43 pm

<--- Temporary disability while studying. Hope to be self-sufficient when I have my degree.



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11 Jul 2012, 11:09 pm

Apple_in_my_Eye wrote:
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Apology accepted. A bit of an update: He actually just got turned in by an angry neighbor regarding the whole deal (a friend called and told me about it). All I could say was "why did it take this long?


Well, that was glib, and didn't address anything I said. I'll remember not to waste any good will on you in the future.

Remember, if nothing changes with that guy or his story the more logical conclusion is not "SSA doesn't care about cheaters," but rather "that guy was never on disability in the first place."


OK... I'm not trying to be an a-hole, but I guess you really seem to enjoy accusing me of being one. That's fine, though. All I said was that I accepted the apology, but evidently that's not good enough. What am I supposed to do, grovel at your feet? I won't do that by the way, since I wasn't the one calling another poster a liar by saying they are lying about the "story." By saying the story is false means by extension, you are calling the teller of the story a liar. Don't you know people who steal money/deal drugs don't leave a trail? Why would they have a bank account if they are bragging about taking advantage of the system? Think about it. Even most terrorists are smart about this now, knowing the government watches transactions. Like I said in the second post, he never pays the bills long enough to keep his vehicles around for long. I bought a boat off of a neighbor and sure didn't have to have a bank account (I was 18 then). If you are going to constantly attack my character, I won't be nice next time (which doesn't get oneself far these days, especially with you) and accept an (obviously false) apology, nor will I apologize for doing nothing wrong (remember who said I was telling a tall tale).